how to cause a fault in a pair gain line

fergus1001 · 08-05-2014 11:43PM #1

ive been stuck on a pair gain line for years now and everyone around has broadband i was wondering if there is anyway something unfortunate could accidentally happen to the device on the pole outside my house

:pac:

vibe666 · 08-05-2014 11:56PM

I'm sure there is, but I suspect you'd just have to be creative, I doubt the mods would be happy with anyone advising you on how to cause what would effectively be criminal damage.

gctest50 · 09-05-2014 12:02AM

fergus1001 wrote: »

ive been stuck on a pair gain line for years now and everyone around has broadband i was wondering if there is anyway something unfortunate could accidentally happen to the device on the pole outside my house :pac:

Do ..... they have pallet loads of them left over
and love replacing them - nice bit of work out in the fresh air

fergus1001 · 09-05-2014 12:10AM

No I never said anything about criminal damage, I'm just wondering what would cause them to not work, I'm just hypothetically speaking here.

Deagol · 09-05-2014 08:46AM

I suspect that even if you blew the multiplexer device they'd just fit another one.

I think you need to pray for a strong wind to take out the line / pole or for a coming together of a large, tall vehicle and line / pole.

Have you thought of asking a neighbour to get a second line in? And then wirelessly transmitting the BB to you?

fergus1001 · 09-05-2014 11:44AM

Deagol wrote: »

I suspect that even if you blew the multiplexer device they'd just fit another one.

I think you need to pray for a strong wind to take out the line / pole or for a coming together of a large, tall vehicle and line / pole.

Have you thought of asking a neighbour to get a second line in? And then wirelessly transmitting the BB to you?

There is about 150 meters between my house and the next so thats not possible plus our neighbors are like a shower of rain coming and going :pac:

Id say if I was working at wiring up a plug and accidentally wired it to the telephone line and plugged it in :pac:

ED E · 09-05-2014 11:52AM

fergus1001 wrote: »

There is about 150 meters between my house and the next so thats not possible plus our neighbors are like a shower of rain coming and going :pac:

Id say if I was working at wiring up a plug and accidentally wired it to the telephone line and plugged it in :pac:

If you do that you'll risk damaging the AXE and that'll only piss of the eircom lads.

Wait till the next storm and give the pole a "push"....

fergus1001 · 09-05-2014 12:56PM

ED E wrote: »

If you do that you'll risk damaging the AXE and that'll only piss of the eircom lads.

Wait till the next storm and give the pole a "push"....

I know it will Piss them off but lord god it is frustrating when you cant get onto an engineer so you can talk sense to them instead of running circles around customer care

Deagol · 09-05-2014 03:45PM

fergus1001 wrote: »

Id say if I was working at wiring up a plug and accidentally wired it to the telephone line and plugged it in :pac:

Seriously, don't even think about it. If you're unlucky you could electrocute someone in your house or a neighbours.

150 meters for wireless is easy using the right gear. I've beamed it 4km's+ and been involved in much longer set ups.

Fogmatic · 09-05-2014 08:27PM

Rain does the trick with mine.
(And the faults bring the only people who tell us the truth about our line!).

Livestock has been known to help. One intermittent fault here had everyone baffled until, by sheer luck, an engineer found that some cows had the occasional scratch against an Eircom pole down the road, making it lean over and overstretch a cable.

Calibos · 10-05-2014 12:18PM

I had a faulty line where water had gotten into the sheath and corroded the copper cables....

pbarr · 10-05-2014 05:53PM

Apply for a 2nd line but only take it on condition that you can get broadband on it. When you get it installed get the old line disconnected and get your number changed over. Chances are that there may be no gaurantee of getting broadband on the 2nd one but it's worth a shot.

Ah-Watch · 11-05-2014 08:52PM

I have a friend who wanted broadband and all neighbours around her had broadband but her line wouldn't support it. I ordered a new eircom line as an additional line to the premises for a "home office " and eircom put it in no problem. It came with a 7 day cool off period so it was installed and I was still able to get a cool off from eircom and what do you know- the new line takes broadband after eircom saying for the past 7-8 years that the house was too far from the exchange.

She then went with a cool off with eircom and processed her home move to the new line meaning she had broadband and her original number at the new address which was in fact upstairs. All happy in the house now and no more mobile broadband !!

Just for clarification as to why she cancelled the line after install it was because she wanted her service from Vodafone and not eircom and when eircoms contractors came out to install the line for her first line order with Vodafone they said no they didn't want to put one in. Eircom will do anything to get a new eircom customer but to hell with everyone else.

long_b · 11-05-2014 09:43PM

Ah-Watch wrote: »

I have a friend who wanted broadband and all neighbours around her had broadband but her line wouldn't support it. I ordered a new eircom line as an additional line to the premises for a "home office " and eircom put it in no problem. It came with a 7 day cool off period so it was installed and I was still able to get a cool off from eircom and what do you know- the new line takes broadband after eircom saying for the past 7-8 years that the house was too far from the exchange. She then went with a cool off with eircom and processed her home move to the new line meaning she had broadband and her original number at the new address which was in fact upstairs. All happy in the house now and no more mobile broadband !!

Just for clarification as to why she cancelled the line after install it was because she wanted her service from Vodafone and not eircom and when eircoms contractors came out to install the line for her first line order with Vodafone they said no they didn't want to put one in. Eircom will do anything to get a new eircom customer but to hell with everyone else.

Who did.a what now ?
Your friend lives upstairs and took your new line ?

Cuddlesworth · 12-05-2014 11:15AM

long_b wrote: »

Who did.a what now ?
Your friend lives upstairs and took your new line ?

She ordered a second business line, which requires new cabling. They installed it, then she cancelled the line. She then moved her home phone and broadband to the new line, since Eircom won't remove the cabling once in place.

Ah-Watch · 12-05-2014 11:21AM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

She ordered a second business line, which requires new cabling. They installed it, then she cancelled the line. She then moved her home phone and broadband to the new line, since Eircom won't remove the cabling once in place.

Correct and right!

fergus1001 · 12-05-2014 01:09PM

Ah-Watch wrote: »

Correct and right!

But if your in my position they will just take another line out of the pair gain and give it to you so its fairly pointless

MBSnr · 12-05-2014 01:18PM

^^^

I did the same - ordered another line for the sole purpose of DSL. They told me it may be another split pair but luck (and a chat with the Eircom engineer when he was up the pole) managed to do the trick. I'm not sure if they had a spare pair or whether he just bumped someone else onto a split pair. Anyhow I did expect to get another line pulled to the house but seemingly not - they just gave me a new line from the pole to the exchange and new number. Yay! But then they managed to make a balls of it when moving the number across by deleting our existing number and account off the system and we had no phone for 5 days.....

gazzer · 12-05-2014 02:56PM

pbarr wrote: »

Apply for a 2nd line but only take it on condition that you can get broadband on it. When you get it installed get the old line disconnected and get your number changed over. Chances are that there may be no gaurantee of getting broadband on the 2nd one but it's worth a shot.

That is what I did. Was the only way I could get broadband from Eircom.

gctest50 · 12-05-2014 03:12PM

fergus1001 wrote: »

But if your in my position they will just take another line out of the pair gain and give it to you so its fairly pointless

Order ISDN on it - shouldn't be split then

.... unless they've been busy in the sekrit labs building new splitterz

Ah-Watch · 12-05-2014 03:12PM

fergus1001 wrote: »

But if your in my position they will just take another line out of the pair gain and give it to you so its fairly pointless

Its not pointless. She was in the exact same position as you but if you are ordering a new additional line make sure and DONT cancel your existing line until the new one goes in otherwise they're 100% put you back on the old pair and this is your best shot of getting broadband. As others have said they've done it this way too and it was successful.

fergus1001 · 12-05-2014 03:52PM

So plan of action is order a second isdn line in then when its in cancel it within the cool off period ? Just so I'm clear

gctest50 · 12-05-2014 04:03PM

fergus1001 wrote: »

So plan of action is order a second isdn line in then when its in cancel it within the cool off period ? Just so I'm clear

i've heard of people doing it

Absolutely no guarantee it will work for you though

- they might sneak out and hook you back up to the pairgain

Fogmatic · 12-05-2014 04:34PM

Not sure which is worse; being told by Eircom for years that you can't get broadband when you can, or being told by Eircom for years that you can get it when you can't!

I only have experience with the latter, but suspect both have the same cause (for which no polite description immediately comes to mind)

pbarr · 12-05-2014 08:58PM

fergus1001 wrote: »

So plan of action is order a second isdn line in then when its in cancel it within the cool off period ? Just so I'm clear

You don't need to order a second isdn line. Either order a second ordinary line or else order an upgrade to isdn for your existing line. I'm not sure which would be the cheaper but if you go for the upgrade you will have to be given a cable pair. After the isdn is installed apply to get broadband and your line will have to be downgraded to an ordinary line again.

fergus1001 · 27-05-2014 02:05PM

I think I found a spare pot ~50 m from the house how do I get eircom to move it ? I'll post a picture just to make sure I'm not wishful

ED E · 27-05-2014 02:33PM

Have your provider escalate it for inability to provide dsl, if you get a generous local tech he could change your pair of he's willing to put in the effort. Assuming there is a free pair available.

This might depend on getting a non idiot on the other end of the phone.

Deagol · 27-05-2014 04:30PM

Depending on where you are located. Someone here might be able to PM you the telephone number of one a local engineer who may be able to at least take a look at that....

fergus1001 · 27-05-2014 06:34PM

Deagol wrote: »

Depending on where you are located. Someone here might be able to PM you the telephone number of one a local engineer who may be able to at least take a look at that....

If anyone in the monasterevin co kildare area has the local engineers number I would be for ever grateful!

how to cause a fault in a pair gain line

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