Should religious induction of children be banned?

pajosjunkbox · 18-05-2014 12:17AM

Red Nissan wrote: »

In Ireland?

Yep sunny south east

Red Nissan · 18-05-2014 12:20AM

pajosjunkbox wrote: »

Yep sunny south east

Not too far away from me, have a magic day.

D1stant · 18-05-2014 12:24AM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Came home today from one with 600 starbucks you can interpret that as e u r o like in m o n e y .

Ye, here am I talking myself out of business.

I'm not an Atheist when selling services or products, I'll wear the cross, shamrock, swan, or anything to make a sale, it's not too hard, but it was much easier a few years ago before the p stuff.

That killed stuff dead for the last three years as more stories were published.

IMO, for MY business, if they just effed off with the stories I'd not be on job seekers now.

You lost me

D1stant · 18-05-2014 12:27AM

catallus wrote: »

Maybe you should ask your parents about it, OP? It is they, not the state, that treated you so harshly.

Maybe the OPs parents had no choice. Mine certainly didn't. The choices were get fvucked or be a catholic.

The illusion of choice eh?

Red Nissan · 18-05-2014 12:27AM

D1stant wrote: »

You lost me

Good. One has to be careful via r e venue and such.

Red21 · 18-05-2014 12:32AM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Interesting, over time I've discovered that my philosophy is Buddhist, I actually have a Buddha in my garden.

Yes, the duality of man, I'm an Atheist and I have a Buddha in my garden.

If you see something in Buddhism, as in the philosophy of Buddhism and you are also an atheist, you must agree that this philosophy came from a human being.
Given that there are now 7 billion humans and communication between us is better than ever, surely you can identify a modern day someone (buddhist) as it were, someone who isin't a buddhist monk or comes under that umbrella but who's philosophy is equally if not more wise.

SaveOurLyric · 18-05-2014 12:33AM

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

I am not religious but voted no.

It's communion month now. A lot of local businesses in my town have had a lift because of it - barbers, restaurants, clothes shops. Is that a bad thing?

Thats the great thing about religion - it increases the business of barber shops. So it must be a good thing.

Red Nissan · 18-05-2014 12:41AM

Red21 wrote: »

If you see something in Buddhism, as in the philosophy of Buddhism and you are also an atheist, you must agree that this philosophy came from a human being.
Given that there are now 7 billion humans and communication between us is better than ever, surely you can identify a modern day someone (buddhist) as it were, someone who isin't a buddhist monk or comes under that umbrella but who's philosophy is equally if not more wise.

You know this is off topic, in this thread, but I'm fifty, not six, seven or twelve.

Buddha came to me because I was assigned to take pictures of a garden centre, the owner wanted prints and I gave her some, she wanted to pay me, I refused, she gave me; Buddha.

:cool:

CrabRevolution · 18-05-2014 12:41AM

Reading the thread title, I just couldnt miss the opportunity to bring up Fr Nicholas Callan, the inventor of the induction coil, of all things.

catallus · 18-05-2014 12:43AM

D1stant wrote: »

Maybe the OPs parents had no choice. Mine certainly didn't. The choices were get fvucked or be a catholic.

The illusion of choice eh?

The illusion seems to be that they had no choice. There's always a choice. And they made theirs.

The greater illusion here seems to be that it was some sort of crime! When the reality is is that it is the cultural paradigm within which the OP was born, and due to an overdose of television programmes and, probably, rap music!! and he can't understand why he can't fly to Saturn on his hover-board powered spaceship that he is exhibiting such arrested behaviours.

catallus · 18-05-2014 01:03AM

Red Nissan wrote: »

is it on topic though?

Keep Your powder dry./

My powder is as dry as the gobi

D1stant · 18-05-2014 01:20AM

catallus wrote: »

The illusion seems to be that they had no choice. There's always a choice. And they made theirs.

The greater illusion here seems to be that it was some sort of crime! When the reality is is that it is the cultural paradigm within which the OP was born, and due to an overdose of television programmes and, probably, rap music!! and he can't understand why he can't fly to Saturn on his hover-board powered spaceship that he is exhibiting such arrested behaviours.

Wrong. There was no choice. In the 70s you were a Catholic, a Protestant or a nothing

The rest of your post is gibberish so I feel unqualified to reply

shruikan2553 · 18-05-2014 01:23AM

D1stant wrote: »

Wrong. There was no choice. In the 70s you were a Catholic, a Protestant or a nothing

The rest of your post id gibberish so I feel unqualified to reply

You did have a choice, like you have the choice to be openly against Islam in Saudi Arabia.

catallus · 18-05-2014 01:24AM

D1stant wrote: »

Wrong. There was no choice. In the 70s you were a Catholic, a Protestant or a nothing

The rest of your post is gibberish so I feel unqualified to reply

Maybe in NI

shruikan2553 wrote: »

You did have a choice, like you have the choice to be openly against Islam in Saudi Arabia.

What the fcuk do you know about Islam in Saudi Arabia?

P_1 · 18-05-2014 01:35AM

Links234 wrote: »

I'm going to say no, and say that it should be the right of the parents to raise their children within whatever moral or religious framework they want (within reason). I don't necesseraly think it's right to indoctrinate children into a religion, but I don't think it's right to make it illegal or otherwise ban it.

I'm an atheist and repeatedly been called a liberal fascist, but come on... That's a bit much.

I dunno tbh, it seems that you're characterising children as being their parent's possessions. Every individual has the right to decide how to live their life and all that. Their parents having the right to raise them with whatever moral and religious framework they want tends to go against that.

Forcibly entering people into a cult (yes that's what I consider infant baptism as) is wrong in my eyes

shruikan2553 · 18-05-2014 01:43AM

catallus wrote: »

What the fcuk do you know about Islam in Saudi Arabia?

A few things. Is there something specific you would like to know about Islam in Saudi Arabia?

catallus · 18-05-2014 01:46AM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

A few things. Is there something specific you would like to know about Islam in Saudi Arabia?

I'm good, thanks.

P_1 · 18-05-2014 01:47AM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

What else would you blame the repressive nature of the Saudi regime on? What would you blame the Inquisitions on?

TBH I'd place more blame on reprehensible people using religion as a means of power and control rather than religion itself. Similar to the way you wouldn't blame the hammer if some scumbag hits someone over the head with it.

suicide_circus · 18-05-2014 01:54AM

the state needs to keep it's nose out of people's private lives as much as possible.

FunLover18 · 18-05-2014 02:27AM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

If your parents think religion is a good thing for the child and they want to have them baptized,confirmed etc then I would think they are in a far better position to make this choice than the government.If the government through legislation can dictate how parents raise their own children then surely this would open the doors for them to bring in other legislation controlling peoples lives.Parents make choices for children until the children are old enough to decide for themselves and that's the way it should be left.

Surely the child when he/she comes of age is in the best position to make that choice. I'm not suggesting the government stop people from making a religious choice I'm suggesting we stop parents from making a religious choice on behalf of their children.

FunLover18 · 18-05-2014 02:30AM

I have updated the poll results on my first post. I believe mods can edit polls, I don't know if they can make the results public but if they can that would be great

catallus · 18-05-2014 02:49AM

FunLover18 wrote: »

I have updated the poll results on my first post. I believe mods can edit polls, I don't know if they can make the results public but if they can that would be great

So they can display the nescience of keyboard pagans?!

Jesus Wept · 18-05-2014 03:27AM

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

I am not religious but voted no.

It's communion month now. A lot of local businesses in my town have had a lift because of it - barbers, restaurants, clothes shops. Is that a bad thing?

It's an irrelevant thing.

wendell borton · 18-05-2014 03:50AM

Maybe all kids should be taken from their parents at birth and raised in a sterile enviroment free from any coercion.

pauldla · 18-05-2014 06:01AM

wendell borton wrote: »

Maybe all kids should be taken from their parents at birth and raised in a sterile enviroment free from any coercion.

Some believers in Spain were thinking in the right direction, then.;)

PopePalpatine · 18-05-2014 01:51PM

catallus wrote: »

So they can display the nescience of keyboard pagans?!

Bloody hell, you're a miserable clump of cells, aren't you? Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster that your kind are dying out, with or without a "Dark Enlightenment".

To answer the OP, no. Such a ban would be unworkable, purely due to the huge resources required to monitor every family in the country - and that's before we get to the matter of the State effectively crushing freedom of thought by doing so.

catallus · 18-05-2014 01:59PM

I'll have you know I'm a very happy clump thanks! How very dare you!

The death of religion/god is a recurring historical illusion. My own take on it is that the coming generations will benefit from a renewed spiritual faith, indeed the future evolution of man could be considered to be a movement towards Homo Spiritualis .

shruikan2553 · 18-05-2014 02:06PM

catallus wrote: »

I'll have you know I'm a very happy clump thanks! How very dare you!

The death of religion/god is a recurring historical illusion. My own take on it is that the coming generations will benefit from a renewed spiritual faith, indeed the future evolution of man could be considered to be a movement towards Homo Spiritualis .

What makes you think this? Nobody is expecting religion to die out but it will certainly become a thing for the minority.

Czarcasm · 18-05-2014 02:08PM

catallus wrote: »

I'll have you know I'm a very happy clump thanks! How very dare you!

:pac:

catallus · 18-05-2014 02:20PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

What makes you think this? Nobody is expecting religion to die out but it will certainly become a thing for the minority.

I wish I could be as certain as you say you are about the future. I was simply giving a guess. I'm an optimist you see, and I hope the future is good. Maybe you would deem my eunoia naive.

Should religious induction of children be banned?

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