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Timmyctc · 16-05-2014 11:14PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

What would people make of De Gea getting it? he obviously won't but y'know, hypothetically and all that

Never was as big a fan of Keepers as Captains. Obviously there are some keepers who are leaders among men. Schmeichel being the obvious case. But in the big games when you need someone to rally the troops, always thought it was better to have an outfield player for that. Not having to bark orders the entire length of the pitch etc.

homerjay2005 · 16-05-2014 11:15PM

anybody seen this or know who he is as i never heard of him myself? writes for the Times apparently.

Terry di Márdi ‏@MardiAgent 50m
Jonathan Northcroft on MUTV: "Luke Shaw wants the Manchester United move and it's close to being completed." #MUFC

there is some talk also that Van Gaal wants Evra to stay on as he is afraid of losing too much experience in the dressing room at the one time. but without CL football, its unlikely we will have enough game time for him, Shaw and Buttner so id say Buttner would go on loan for at least 6 months anyway.

kryogen · 16-05-2014 11:26PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

Never was as big a fan of Keepers as Captains. Obviously there are some keepers who are leaders among men. Schmeichel being the obvious case. But in the big games when you need someone to rally the troops, always thought it was better to have an outfield player for that. Not having to bark orders the entire length of the pitch etc.

Keepers can be great captains, though I very much think it is the men themselves rather then the position that made it so, Schmeichel as you say, Kahn being another example. Huge personalities who would have an impact despite being goalies

I like my captain to be a centre half or a centre mid ideally

kryogen · 16-05-2014 11:29PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

there is some talk also that Van Gaal wants Evra to stay on as he is afraid of losing too much experience in the dressing room at the one time. but without CL football, its unlikely we will have enough game time for him, Shaw and Buttner so id say Buttner would go on loan for at least 6 months anyway.

I wouldn't be against Evra staying, but on a reduced salary and role, he is clearly a big personality in the dressing room and has a lot to offer, if he has the right attitude to it. If it appears he will give a bit of trouble I would get rid straight away, losing the experience of Vidic and Ferdinand is a big blow, Carrick too possibly and surely Giggs from a player view point

RobertKK · 16-05-2014 11:39PM

Evra could play as a winger, as least he wouldn't have to worry about defending, not that he seemed to worry anyway....

bmcc10 · 16-05-2014 11:44PM

Be great if Evra stayed i reckon too, Been p**s poor this few seasons but he'd be good back up if he got his act together, Still one of my favourite players so maybe i'm being soft on him.

Peanut Butter Jelly · 16-05-2014 11:45PM

bmcc10 wrote: »

Be great if Evra stayed i reckon too, Been p**s poor this few seasons but he'd be good back up if he got his act together, Still one of my favourite players so maybe i'm being soft on him.

A pretty big if going on this season.

GSPfan · 17-05-2014 06:57AM

Its mad how people over a short space of time forget how bad Evra is. Its like you need to see him play to really appreciate how bad he got. So NO to Evra staying. Get him out the door please. Another brilliant player who's legacy is tarnished by him being kept on too long. Release him quick before people start to believe he is the best left back in the world.

GSPfan · 17-05-2014 07:02AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Evra could play as a winger, as least he wouldn't have to worry about defending, not that he seemed to worry anyway....

I assume you are joking here but why in hell would we want a tired 33 year old left back playing on the wing?

I think the fact we all loved Evra at one stage clouds peoples opinions. I love the guy as a player but we need to get him off the pitch in all forms.

Deiseboy01 · 17-05-2014 07:18AM

Whatsisname wrote: »

What would people make of De Gea getting it? he obviously won't but y'know, hypothetically and all that

Nah never. Not commanding enough. Doesn't portray that self confidence a captain needs.

Don't like Rooney as captain either.

Looking around the squad we re not exactly blessed with natural leaders. Even Van Persie doesn't strike me as a leader.

Who' s left? Carrick? May not be first choice. Fletcher? Same story.

Mata? Depends how pivotal hes seen as by Van Gaal. Not sure he's tough enough.

Jones or Smalling are not certain starters. Smalling does not strike me as a leader. Jones maybe but could be a bit green.

Raf? The role might add a bit of maturity to his game. Broke up a lot so maybe not. Very raw too.

Leaves Evans? Might be a role for a newbie, another hook to help land a Hummels or Mueller type?

Or maybe we ll offer it to Robaldo if he agrees to cone back!!

Cantona's Collars · 17-05-2014 07:29AM

Out of the current squad,only Evans jumps out as captain material.He's vocal on the pitch and not afraid to speak his mind.Remember him roaring at Carrick for playing a pass back to the 'keeper after getting the ball in acres of space?

I have a feeling that LVG will assess who's most suitable and make his own mind up,sentimentality won't play a part in it.

kryogen · 17-05-2014 07:34AM

GSPfan wrote: »

Its mad how people over a short space of time forget how bad Evra is. Its like you need to see him play to really appreciate how bad he got. So NO to Evra staying. Get him out the door please. Another brilliant player who's legacy is tarnished by him being kept on too long. Release him quick before people start to believe he is the best left back in the world.

Evra is knackered because he has pretty much played every single game for about 5 years now, he should have had some decent back up brought in to take a bit of the work load, I think the mind is willing, the body just isnt able to go with it anymore.

So, as back up, being around the squad and used a lot less I would be ok with him staying around, he can be cover on the left wing also, is still great at going forward and linking play, he just doesnt have the legs to get up and down the line for 90 minutes anymore.

I wouldnt be too upset about him going either by the way, but I think there is certainly still a place for him in the squad in the right circumstance, who better to be a mentor to Shaw for example and to guide him into becoming the best full back in Europe, which Evra was pretty close to for a long time, never put him above Lahm personally, but that was about it at the time I think.

kryogen · 17-05-2014 07:36AM

zerks wrote: »

Out of the current squad,only Evans jumps out as captain material.He's vocal on the pitch and not afraid to speak his mind.Remember him roaring at Carrick for playing a pass back to the 'keeper after getting the ball in acres of space?

I have a feeling that LVG will assess who's most suitable and make his own mind up,sentimentality won't play a part in it.

Whatever we think about the importance of the captain, Louis Van Gaal is firmly in the category of the captain is a very important role and he will choose carefully alright.

glued · 17-05-2014 07:38AM

Evra isn't half as bad as people make out. He's had a mixed two years but his decline has been over exaggerated and he's played a hell of a lot of the past couple of years.

Cantona's Collars · 17-05-2014 07:40AM

Sorry for going OT but I turned on SSN, Hayley is on with some background noise and pictures:D

GSPfan · 17-05-2014 07:47AM

I'd argue having a Patrice Evra not playing regular football would be worse. He is already off the pace in most games. Hardly gonna be beneficial to his match sharpness playing 1 in every 5 games.

As for playing him on the wing???????? Don't know where this suggestion has come from lately but if you are all trying to trick me then you have succeeded.

Also the idea that Evra can help Shaw be a great left back - Surely the coaches do that not the players? Shaw does not need Evra.

While i appreciate and respect everyones views on Evra I just have to disagree big time.

homerjay2005 · 17-05-2014 07:52AM

glued wrote: »

Evra isn't half as bad as people make out. He's had a mixed two years but his decline has been over exaggerated and he's played a hell of a lot of the past couple of years.

i find it very strange that people slag off Evra for last year when pretty much our entire squad was absolutely awful for the season.

12/13 Evra had an excellent year.

GSPfan · 17-05-2014 07:55AM

glued wrote: »

Evra isn't half as bad as people make out. He's had a mixed two years but his decline has been over exaggerated and he's played a hell of a lot of the past couple of years.

Evra should have been replaced 3 years ago. Don't confuse World Class Evra with Present day Evra. One was one of the worlds best left backs who played every week. The other is a tired 33 year old who's legs are going and makes bizarre decisions which cost the team goals.

No one disputes his brilliance at one stage but much like Gary Neville there is a point where enough is enough.

Cantona's Collars · 17-05-2014 07:56AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i find it very strange that people slag off Evra for last year when pretty much our entire squad was absolutely awful for the season.

12/13 Evra had an excellent year.

Look back at his performances,running forward and jogging back to the halfway line.
Heat maps give a lot away,constantly whoever played CB on the left ended up covering for him and leaving massive gaps while he sauntered back,defending became an inconvenience.
Yes he's been a great servant at the club but his time is up.

Technophobe · 17-05-2014 07:58AM

Whether you want Evra gone or not, it may pay to think of the fact that already, out of 4 regular defenders, 2 are gone... That's s lot of experience in one go if Evra went... May pay to keep him for another year imo

Cantona's Collars · 17-05-2014 08:01AM

Looks like Lisbon's coach is taking over at Monaco,I wonder if he'll try to take Carvalho with him?

GSPfan · 17-05-2014 08:06AM

Technophobe wrote: »

Whether you want Evra gone or not, it may pay to think of the fact that already, out of 4 regular defenders, 2 are gone... That's s lot of experience in one go if Evra went... May pay to keep him for another year imo

What good was Evra's experience in the CL quarter final after he scored a cracker? Experience can't make up for decline in physical sharpness.

Rafael is only young but he has a mountain of experience. There is tons of experience with players who can still run for 90 minutes that we can call on in the squad.

The_Kew_Tour · 17-05-2014 08:10AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i find it very strange that people slag off Evra for last year when pretty much our entire squad was absolutely awful for the season.

12/13 Evra had an excellent year.

Plenty of players did not shine, but not even Fergie could have done much with Evra performances.

They were catastrophic. He made mistake after mistake.

The Bayern away game summed up Evra season.

Technophobe · 17-05-2014 08:16AM

GSPfan wrote: »

Rafael is only young but he has a mountain of experience. There is tons of experience with players who can still run for 90 minutes that we can call on in the squad.

Not sure I agree at this point. Is this the Rafael that sometimes gets edgy or too pumped in big may matches, and can appear to be a " sending off waiting to happen "?
Or Jones who might lunge, injure himself or another... Or Evans who might lose concentration at a vital moment? Or Smalling who hasnt yet nailed a settled place..

Yes CM has always been our problem, hope defense not now added to it..

Cantona's Collars · 17-05-2014 08:17AM

Here's the heat map from the Saints game,look who was barely in position,story of the season with Evra.You can go to any game and see where he was,it certainly wasn't where he was meant to be.

http://epl.squawka.com/southampton-vs-manchester-united/11-05-2014/english-barclays-premier-league/matches

GSPfan · 17-05-2014 08:27AM

Technophobe wrote: »

Not sure I agree at this point. Is this the Rafael that sometimes gets edgy or too pumped in big may matches, and can appear to be a " sending off waiting to happen "?
Or Jones who might lunge, injure himself or another... Or Evans who might lose concentration at a vital moment? Or Smalling who hasnt yet nailed a settled place..

Yes CM has always been our problem, hope defense not now added to it..

What we need is good coaching and fit and healthy players.

I just think this experience factor is far outweighed by actual hard work and good physical attributes. Both of which Evra lacks at this present time.

Technophobe · 17-05-2014 08:50AM

GSPfan wrote: »

What we need is good coaching and fit and healthy players.

I agree, but it's a bit of a generalization in fairness....
Still cannot beat experience IMO
World love us to sign a classy cb, but who is out there..

Cantona's Collars · 17-05-2014 08:56AM

The Times & The People saying that it will take £30 million to get Shaw.

GSPfan · 17-05-2014 08:56AM

Technophobe wrote: »

I agree, but it's a bit of a generalization in fairness....
Still cannot beat experience IMO
World love us to sign a classy cb, but who is out there..

How about signing Rio Ferdinand... Loads of experience!

Lord TSC · 17-05-2014 09:01AM

I have said that the manager and the players needed to shoulder he blame this season. And no player exemplifies the problems within the squad more than Evra. Half-arsed, half-hearted preformances, a complete liability time and time again and never looking all that bothered as the ship was sinking.

In the same way Moyes had to face the consequences for his performances, so too does Evra. A lot of players were poor this season but at least looked frustrated and passionate about what was happening. Evra never seemed all that bothered.

A club legend, who had great seasons long ago...but so did other players and it's time for him to move on now.

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