The Academies

The Lost Sheep · 12-05-2014 06:45PM

[Jackass] wrote: »

What age is Harrison Brewer now? He seems to have made a fairly decent name for himself at schools level (I don't remember seeing him, or if I did, didn't majorly catch my eye) but I've heard pretty mixed reviews from the sublime to not so great.

Brewer is a 95 so 18/19. He was good at schools level and has plenty of talent but is he being looked at through different angle because of his name/background which will affect how people view him?

Hagz wrote: »

18/19. He'll be u20s next season. Sublime to the not so great pretty much sums up what I've seen of him. He looks like he's got raw talent in terms of his stepping and power, but he's also looked a bit headless from the little I saw. But he's exciting to watch so I'm glad he's in the Academy. Although it means Robb isn't being taken in. He's worth a look for the other provinces.

Would rather Munster look to who we have already in province before looking outside. There's plenty of pretty decent players playing club ball who don't get looked at for variety of reasons and id rather them be looked at than players Leinster don't want

FellasFellas wrote: »

AIL and 20's games are on different days.

Only in Leinster. Munster/Connacht u20s are played Saturdays

Quint2010 · 12-05-2014 07:17PM

Very surprised Brewer has got into the academy. Didnt feature too much in the U20 6N and when he did didnt really play that well. Robb had a much better tournament, featured heavily and will be one of the go-to players in the World Cup. Brewer didnt even make the WC squad. There is no doubt he has talent but didnt really think he had done nearly enough to get in.

hype101 · 12-05-2014 07:25PM

Is Coughlan really struggling with the transition?.. Admittedly, I haven't seen too much of him but judging from the B&I Cup highlights and match reports I thought he was doing rather well, and that it was more injuries that were holding him back.. That said, his lack of gametime is ominous

a578924 · 12-05-2014 07:30PM

Coghlan has been injured for most of the season. Personally I think Connacht would be smart to try and bring him in and move him back to 6/8. But i'd say that's unlikely.

His conversion was going okay, problem is that he needs experience and gametime and he has been largely unable to avoid injury over the past 12 months.

Still he is still pretty young, he turns 22 in October. Next season will be make or break for his rugby career, if he can stay healthy stranger things have happened.

a578924 · 12-05-2014 07:34PM

Quint2010 wrote: »

Very surprised Brewer has got into the academy. Didnt feature too much in the U20 6N and when he did didnt really play that well. Robb had a much better tournament, featured heavily and will be one of the go-to players in the World Cup. Brewer didnt even make the WC squad. There is no doubt he has talent but didnt really think he had done nearly enough to get in.

I guess the academy had to make a decision based on potential, he has already had a year out of school and while he hasn't been super impressive he has dealt with injury problems.

I guess the coaches see his long term potential to be higher than Robb's.. not sure I agree but they have a lot more information to base their decisions and opinions on.

a578924 · 12-05-2014 07:36PM

Munster's Academy class:

Brian Scott: Prop
Max Abbott: Hooker
Darragh Moloney: Lock
Diarmud Dee: Backrow
Ryan Foley: Scrumhalf
Jamie Glynn: Scrumhalf
Dan Goggin: Centre
Stephen Fitzgerald: Fullback

Stanza2 · 12-05-2014 10:24PM

Two scrum halves and Jack Cullen in the year ahead ! Lots of 9's

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny · 15-05-2014 11:22AM

Confirmation of the comings and goings from this coming seasons academy. No Diarmuid Dee (probably sub academy with recent injury history)

Munster Rugby can today confirm that 7 new players will join the Greencore Munster Rugby academy for season 2014/15.

Out of the current academy crop of 20 players 2 will advance to senior development contracts next season, academy player of the year Shane Buckley and Johnny Holland, while Darren O'Shea will pursue a playing opportunity abroad.

The 7 new recruits include 5 Ireland U20s players, Max Abbott, Ryan Foley, Dan Goggin, Darragh Moloney and Brian Scott, who are all promoted from the sub academy, while Ard Scoil Ris fullback Stephen Fitzgerald and UCD's Jamie Glynn have also been added.

Fitzgerald recently lined out for the Ireland U19s against France and Glynn started for the Munster Development XV against Enisei-STM.

Brian Haugh, Niall Kenneally, Harry McNulty and Darren Moroney have been released from the programme.

2014/15 Greencore Munster Rugby Academy (position/club)

Year 3: Ryan Murphy (Back row/Dolphin), Jack O'Donoghue (Back row/UL Bohs), Darren Sweetnam (Fullback/Dolphin).

Year 2: Rory Burke (Prop/Cork Con), Jack Cullen (Scrumhalf/Bruff), Niall Horan (Prop/Shannon), David Johnston (Fullback/UL Bohs), Gearoid Lyons (Outhalf/Shannon), Greg O'Shea (Winger/Shannon), Sean McCarthy (Lock/Shannon), John Madigan (Lock/Dolphin), Rory Scannell (Centre/Dolphin), Alex Wootton (Winger/Garryowen).

Year 1: Max Abott (Hooker/Cork Con), Stephen Fitzgerald (Fullback/Ard Scoil Rís), Ryan Foley (Scrumhalf/Cork Con), Jamie Glynn (Scrumhalf/UCD), Dan Goggin (Centre/Young Munster), Darragh Moloney (Lock/Cork Con), Brian Scott (Prop/Dolphin).

Hagz · 16-05-2014 02:44PM

Is that Munster Academy finalised? I thought Tomas Quinlan would be taken in.

The Lost Sheep · 16-05-2014 02:46PM

Hagz wrote: »

Is that Munster Academy finalised? I thought Tomas Quinlan would be taken in.

Could get added after interpros at start of next season. Only other players who may get added before that are any at JWC who perform well and get added
Its finalised for now

Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny · 16-05-2014 02:53PM

Hagz wrote: »

Is that Munster Academy finalised? I thought Tomas Quinlan would be taken in.

Quinlan's sub academy i think, with Diarmuid Dee as well, both were thought to be going into the full academy

Stanza2 · 29-05-2014 10:38PM

Peter Robb will be joining the Connacht academy !

Hype710 · 29-05-2014 10:48PM

Stanza2 wrote: »

Peter Robb will be joining the Connacht academy !

Good move for him. He's 'pro-ready' compared to some of his 20s counterparts. I can see him picking up a few caps next year, depending on injuries. Mick Kearney is a great example of someone who's way ahead of where he would be had he accepted a Leinster deal (which I think was offered pretty late).

porterbelly · 29-05-2014 11:54PM

Hype710 wrote: »

Good move for him. He's 'pro-ready' compared to some of his 20s counterparts. I can see him picking up a few caps next year, depending on injuries. Mick Kearney is a great example of someone who's way ahead of where he would be had he accepted a Leinster deal (which I think was offered pretty late).

He was offered sub academy afaik

In his first season in the Connacht academy he made a breakthrough to the first team on the blindside flank, playing Heineken Cup against Gloucester and starting a home interpro v Munster, being the 2 standout games I remember. Can't buy experience like that at that age.

He was quite scrawny when he first arrived but bulked up quickly.

Robb doesn't have that problem, he's bloody massive. Skills coach Dave Ellis is very highly rated within Connacht and further afield, I think we have the right man to guide him.

Stan27 · 30-05-2014 12:08AM

Is timmins in an academy. It's not his first year in the 20's is it. How good is he?

The Lost Sheep · 31-05-2014 06:14PM

Stan27 wrote: »

Is timmins in an academy. It's not his first year in the 20's is it. How good is he?

No but may be added to Leinster's for next season. He is in 2nd year playing 20s. To do that he's clearly v good.

Hopefully all academies are confirmed in next week or two

Board_man · 31-05-2014 08:23PM

Stan27 wrote: »

Is timmins in an academy. It's not his first year in the 20's is it. How good is he?

Was in sub academy, is the only forward signed in for next season at the moment. There's potentially 1 or 2 more who are at the World Cup and may be added when they get home (based on jwc performance).
Timmons very impressive for UCD 20s and seniors this season

freyners · 31-05-2014 09:06PM

Hype710 wrote: »

Good move for him. He's 'pro-ready' compared to some of his 20s counterparts. I can see him picking up a few caps next year, depending on injuries. Mick Kearney is a great example of someone who's way ahead of where he would be had he accepted a Leinster deal (which I think was offered pretty late).

Kearney this year has been immense for us. Clarkes injury would have been a lot more keenly felt if he wasnt there

specttator · 03-06-2014 10:37PM

Board_man wrote: »

Was in sub academy, is the only forward signed in for next season at the moment. There's potentially 1 or 2 more who are at the World Cup and may be added when they get home (based on jwc performance).
Timmons very impressive for UCD 20s and seniors this season

tell us more about sub academies, what age group is invited to these, who might they be this year?

The Lost Sheep · 03-06-2014 10:48PM

specttator wrote: »

tell us more about sub academies, what age group is invited to these, who might they be this year?

The sub academies change the entire time and people will be added and dropped throughout the season. The players could be anything from 18-23 just like the academy.
Hard to say who will be in sub academies this year as all academies haven't announced their squads for next season so only after all full academies have been confirmed will you be able to guess who may be in sub academy. Steve McMahon irish 19s this season just gone may be in sub academy as he can play centre and back 3.

The Lost Sheep · 09-07-2014 11:09PM

Academy players next season excluding those who will be first years in Leinster as they haven't been confirmed yet. Grenoble announced signing of Denis Coulson to their espoirs today
Niall Horan LH Prop

Jacob Walshe LH Prop

Craig Trenier LH Prop

Peter Dooley LH Prop

Max Abbott Hooker

Jack Dinneen Hooker

Jonny Murphy Hooker

John Andrew Hooker

Brian Byrne Hooker

Rory Burke TH Prop

Brian Scott TH Prop

Jamie Dever TH Prop

Saba Meunargia TH Prop

Ed Byrne TH Prop

John Madigan 2nd Row

Sean McCarthy 2nd Row

Darragh Moloney 2nd Row

Ultan Dillane 2nd Row

Sean O Brien 2nd Row

Alan O Connor 2nd Row

John Donnan 2nd Row

Ross Molony 2nd Row

Tadhg Beirne 2nd Row

Gavin Thornbury 2nd Row

Ryan Murphy Back Row

Jack O Donoghue Back Row

James Connolly Back Row

Rory Moloney Back Row

Marc Kelly Back Row

Eoghan Masterson Back Row

Frankie Taggart Back Row

Lorcan Dow Back Row

Dan Leavy Back Row

Josh Van Der Flier Back Row

Jack Cullen Scrum Half

Ryan Foley Scrum Half

Jamie Glynn Scrum Half

Gearoid Lyons Out Half

Conor McKeon Out Half

Cathal Marsh Out Half

Steve Crosbie Out Half

Dan Goggin Centre

Rory Scannell Centre

Rory Parata Centre

Peter Robb Centre

Tom Daly Centre

Jordan Coghlan Centre

Greg O Shea Wing

Alex Wootton Wing

David Panter Wing

Adam Byrne Wing

Stephen Fitzgerald Full Back

Dave Johnson Full Back

Darren Sweetnam Full Back

Ciaran Gaffney Full Back

Shane Layden Full Back

Billy Dardis Full Back

LostSoliders95 · 09-07-2014 11:28PM

More complete and accurate..

Loosehead Prop
Jacob Walshe, Connacht
Ed Byrne, Leinster
Peter Dooley, Leinster
Niall Horan, Munster

Hooker
Jack Dineen, Connacht
Bryan Byrne, Leinster
Max Abbott, Munster
Jonny Murphy, Ulster
John Andrew, Ulster

Tighthead Prop
Jamie Dever, Connacht
Saba Meunargia, Connacht
Rory Burke, Munster
Brian Scott, Munster
Craig Trenier, Ulster

Second Row
Sean O'Brien, Connacht
Ultan Dillane, Connacht
Tadhg Beirne, Leinster
Gavin Thornbury, Leinster
Ross Molony, Leinster
Sean McCarthy, Munster
Darragh Moloney, Munster
John Madigan, Munster
James Simpson, Ulster
Alan O'Connor, Ulster
John Donnan, Ulster

Backrow
James Connolly, Connacht
Rory Moloney, Connacht
Marc Kelly, Connacht
Eoghan Masterson, Connacht
Dan Leavy, Leinster
Josh Van Der Flier, Leinster
Peadar Timmins, Leinster
Ryan Murphy, Munster
Jack O Donoghue, Munster
Conor Joyce, Ulster
Lorcan Dow, Ulster
Frank Taggart, Ulster

Scrumhalf
Caolan Blade, Connacht
Nick McCarthy, Leinster
Jack Cullen, Munster
Ryan Foley, Munster
Jamie Glynn, Munster
Dave Shanahan, Ulster

Outhalf
Conor McKeon, Connacht
Cathal Marsh, Leinster
Steve Crosbie, Leinster
Ross Byrne, Leinster
Gearoid Lyons, Munster
Sean O'Hagan, Ulster

Centre
Rory Parata, Connacht
Peter Robb, Connacht
Tom Daly, Leinster
Tom Farrell, Leinster
Jordan Coghlan, Leinster
Harrison Brewer, Leinster
Gary Ringrose, Leinster
Rory O'Loughlin, Leinster
Dan Goggin, Munster
Rory Scannell, Munster

Back Three
David Panter, Connacht
Ciaran Gaffney, Connacht
Shane Layden, Connacht
Greg O Shea, Munster
Alex Wootton, Munster
Stephen Fitzgerald, Munster
Dave Johnston, Munster
Darren Sweetnam, Munster
Adam Byrne, Leinster
Billy Dardis, Leinster
Ian Fitzpatrick, Leinster
Cian Kelleher, Leinster
Rory Scholes, Ulster

Leinster's class to be announced officially either this week or next. Ulster who knows.

FrannoFan · 09-07-2014 11:37PM

specttator wrote: »

tell us more about sub academies, what age group is invited to these, who might they be this year?

Leinster generally have a decent number of lads in the sub academy. Most of their u20's and some 19's. they then make a decision after 20's to give a lad full academy spot or not. So someone like mckeon probably knew he wasn't getting in at leinster so took Connacht spot.

The Lost Sheep · 18-07-2014 12:30PM

Niall Horan LH Prop
Jacob Walshe LH Prop
Craig Trenier LH Prop
Peter Dooley LH Prop
Max Abbott Hooker
Jack Dinneen Hooker
Jonny Murphy Hooker
John Andrew Hooker
Brian Byrne Hooker
Rory Burke TH Prop
Brian Scott TH Prop
Jamie Dever TH Prop
Saba Meunargia TH Prop
Ed Byrne TH Prop
John Madigan 2nd Row
Sean McCarthy 2nd Row
Darragh Moloney 2nd Row
Ultan Dillane 2nd Row
Sean O Brien 2nd Row
Alan O Connor 2nd Row
John Donnan 2nd Row
Ross Molony 2nd Row
Tadhg Beirne 2nd Row
Gavin Thornbury 2nd Row
Ryan Murphy Back Row
Jack O Donoghue Back Row
James Connolly Back Row
Rory Moloney Back Row
Marc Kelly Back Row
Eoghan Masterson Back Row
Frankie Taggart Back Row
Lorcan Dow Back Row
Dan Leavy Back Row
Peadar Timmins Back Row
Josh Van Der Flier Back Row
Jack Cullen Scrum Half
Ryan Foley Scrum Half
Jamie Glynn Scrum Half
Nick McCarthy Scrum Half
Gearoid Lyons Out Half
Conor McKeon Out Half
Cathal Marsh Out Half
Steve Crosbie Out Half
Ross Byrne Out Half
Dan Goggin Centre
Rory Scannell Centre
Rory Parata Centre
Peter Robb Centre
Tom Daly Centre
Gary Ringrose Centre
Tom Farrell Centre
Jordan Coghlan Centre
Harrison Brewer Centre
Rory O Loughlin Centre
Greg O Shea Wing
Alex Wootton Wing
David Panter Wing
Adam Byrne Wing
Ian Fitzpatrick Wing
Stephen Fitzgerald Full Back
Dave Johnson Full Back
Darren Sweetnam Full Back
Ciaran Gaffney Full Back
Shane Layden Full Back
Billy Dardis Full Back
Cian Kelleher Full Back

Leinster academy named today. Full list confirmed above

jwrocks · 18-07-2014 06:16PM

Timmins is a very average backrow by Leinsters standards.. cant see him ever being a regular for Leinster.

The Lost Sheep · 18-07-2014 07:00PM

jwrocks wrote: »

Timmins is a very average backrow by Leinsters standards.. cant see him ever being a regular for Leinster.

Wouldnt be so harsh. Decent player who has 2 good years of Irish 20s behind him and is still a very decent option who could def go on to be a provincial regular. Not everyone in academy will go on to be a regular with a province but too early to dismiss any guy playing 20s

FrannoFan · 18-07-2014 07:03PM

Girvan Dempsey only really getting his feet under the table as academy boss. Not overly impressed by his judgement calls this year. The rule used to be are you good enough to play for Ireland,if so you get in. Playing 20's regularly was a given. Brewer wasn't a starter, o'loughlin was injured but neither was overly impressive in school. MacArthy was average enough at 9(compared to Luke McGrath he is way off) Timmons is nothing remarkable but could be a decent back row. Fitzpatrick on the wing was unremarkable. Kellegher and Byrne look promising.but only 2 of the lot will make leinster let alone Ireland.
Dempsey over rated a lot of these whe he was working with them in the schools. Not sure he has the years experience to judge the standard generally required.

The Lost Sheep · 18-07-2014 07:10PM

FrannoFan wrote: »

Girvan Dempsey only really getting his feet under the table as academy boss. Not overly impressed by his judgement calls this year. The rule used to be are you good enough to play for Ireland,if so you get in. Playing 20's regularly was a given. Brewer wasn't a starter, o'loughlin was injured but neither was overly impressive in school. MacArthy was average enough at 9(compared to Luke McGrath he is way off) Timmons is nothing remarkable but could be a decent back row. Fitzpatrick on the wing was unremarkable. Kellegher and Byrne look promising.but only 2 of the lot will make leinster let alone Ireland.
Dempsey over rated a lot of these whe he was working with them in the schools. Not sure he has the years experience to judge the standard generally required.

Brewer who I feel has suffered from changing position late, overly hyped due to his name etc played 20s regularly enough this year and is eligible next season.
O Loughlin has had injury issues but when fit has been a very decent player. Vast majority of 9s if comparing them to Luke McGrath will come off looking not as good so isn't a real issue.
See where you are coming from but would hold the major criticism for now.
Leinster set up still further ahead of other provinces due to sheer numbers theyre getting through to international age grade which helps academy

Hagz · 18-07-2014 07:17PM

FrannoFan wrote: »

The rule used to be are you good enough to play for Ireland,if so you get in.

That's an impossible rule to stick to. Even if an academy player only reaches the heights of Darragh Fanning it was still worth it to bring them through. Because as was evident last season, Leinster need Darragh Fannings sometimes.

Tox56 · 18-07-2014 07:23PM

FrannoFan wrote: »

Girvan Dempsey only really getting his feet under the table as academy boss. Not overly impressed by his judgement calls this year. The rule used to be are you good enough to play for Ireland,if so you get in. Playing 20's regularly was a given. Brewer wasn't a starter, o'loughlin was injured but neither was overly impressive in school. MacArthy was average enough at 9(compared to Luke McGrath he is way off) Timmons is nothing remarkable but could be a decent back row. Fitzpatrick on the wing was unremarkable. Kellegher and Byrne look promising.but only 2 of the lot will make leinster let alone Ireland.
Dempsey over rated a lot of these whe he was working with them in the schools. Not sure he has the years experience to judge the standard generally required.

What do they have to lose by bringing in the likes of Brewer and O'Loughlin with Leinster in desperate need of homegrown centres. I'm very happy they took something of a gamble with them, O'Loughlin particularly who hasn't had much of a chance to show what he can do due to injury

I wasn't particularly impressed by McCarthy but if they don't bring him in there will be 0 scrum halves in the whole academy so there's a spot there that would otherwise just be left empty, and he started regularly for Ireland, it's worth investing some time in him

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