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Woman uploads abortion video - goes viral

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  • #812
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    ryan101 wrote: »
    How does that give you the right to kill another human life ?

    It's your belief that its killing a human life, not everyone concurs and if you live in a country with legal abortion or have the means to travel to one then you have been granted the right to have that procedure.


  • #813
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    Muise... wrote: »
    I'm insisting on the word 'foetus' in this discussion because outside of conversations with happily pregnant women looking forward to their babies, it is a deliberate confusion of terms..

    No it isn't. There is no confusion, Muise. None at all.

    It's just that people with your views don't like the word baby being used in these debates as it means you don't have to actually deal with the actuality of what abortion is. Strange how you have no issue with words like parasite though. Wonder why.
    I was condoning your right to call yourself what you like - as pregnant women are entitled to call their foetuses babies without impact on other women's right to choose. Maybe I could lend you a milkcrate soapbox, if heels aren't your thing? I'm tolerant and respectful of the wishes of others, so it's up to you.

    Sigh. More waffle. You're not even making a coherent argument now.

    Humans the world over will ask pregnant strangers: "When's the baby due?"

    To attempt to make the argument that the word baby doesn't belong in a debate about abortion, is just self serving tripe.

    Again: all just mere location based semantics.

    22 week old fetus in womb: parasitic fetus.

    22 week old fetus in maternity hospital incubator: human baby.

    Oh and may I remind the person who accused me of using the video above as "pro life propaganda" that I support first trimester abortions and so don't technically qualify as "pro-life". Well, not in the disparaging way in which they meant at least.


  • #814
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    eviltwin wrote: »
    It's your belief that its killing a human life, not everyone concurs and if you live in a country with legal abortion or have the means to travel to one then you have been granted the right to have that procedure.

    It is human life, no word games will ever change that.
    People can travel abroad to do lots of things, it doesn't necessarily make them right.


  • #815
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    ryan101 wrote: »
    How does that give you the right to kill another human life ?

    If the "human life" is in its early blob phase in the body of a woman who cannot cope with continuing the pregnancy and having a baby, I think she has the right to "kill" it, and it is only "killing" in the sense that you "kill" a twig when you prune a rosebush.


  • #816
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    No it isn't. There is no confusion, Muise. None at all.

    It's just that people with your views don't like the word baby being used in these debates as it means you don't have to actually deal with the actuality of what abortion is. Strange how you have no issue with words like parasite though. Wonder why.



    Sigh. More waffle. You're not even making a coherent argument now.

    Humans the world over will say to pregnant strangers: "When's the baby due?"

    To attempt to make the argument that the word baby doesn't belong in a debate about abortion, is just self serving tripe.

    Again: location based semantics.

    22 week old fetus in womb: parasitic fetus.

    22 week old fetus in maternity hospital incubator: human baby.

    Oh and may I remind the person who accused me of using the video above as "pro life propaganda" that I support first trimester abortions and so don't technically qualify as "pro-life". Well, not in the disparaging way in which they meant at least.

    Location based semantics - you don't have a "location" do you? If you think mixing up 'baby' and 'foetus' is acceptable in a discussion of any detail, I seriously doubt it.


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  • #817
    StudentDad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭StudentDad


    ryan101 wrote: »
    How does that give you the right to kill another human life ?

    Again we are back to 'your opinion.' This isn't your decision. You feel that it is wrong. That's fine. Again your belief. By what right do you feel you have do you think it is right to impose your belief on another adult human?

    SD


  • #818
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    Muise... wrote: »
    If the "human life" is in its early blob phase in the body of a woman who cannot cope with continuing the pregnancy and having a baby, I think she has the right to "kill" it, and it is only "killing" in the sense that you "kill" a twig when you prune a rosebush.

    A rose bush or twig is not human life.


  • #819
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    ryan101 wrote: »
    A rose bush or twig is not human life.

    A raven is not a writing desk.

    I tried an analogy for "killing"; your pro-life tennis script bounces the "human life" ball back at me. Sigh.


  • #820
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    ryan101 wrote: »
    It is human life, no word games will ever change that.
    People can travel abroad to do lots of things, it doesn't necessarily make them right.

    You don't think its right but you don't get to set the moral compass for everyone else.


  • #821
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    StudentDad wrote: »
    Again we are back to 'your opinion.' This isn't your decision. You feel that it is wrong. That's fine. Again your belief. By what right do you feel you have do you think it is right to impose your belief on another adult human?

    SD

    What right do you have to kill another human life ?
    I could use the same opinion excuse to another human being, because when its my opinion it's ok to kill, it must be ok ? And it would be none of you business, right ?

    As a student dad, I'm sure you know the mother could have aborted your child, but that would be ok to kill your child because it's her opinion that its ok ? Did you ever wonder looking at them what if they had been aborted ?


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  • #822
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,993 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Pocoyo wrote: »
    I would still be outraged,But less so. I didnt enjoy looking into her twisted mind,I see the vast majority of youtubers didnt either.

    How about if she was attempting suicide? Would that make you like her even more?

    It says something about you, that your problem with her is that she had an abortion and didn't crawl away in shame begging everyone forgiveness.


  • #823
    blackbaron
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 30 ✭blackbaron


    What right do you have to kill another human life ?

    If you see abortion as killing another person, are women who miscarry guilty of manslaughter? Should they be tried to accidentally killing someone?

    If not, why is it essentially murder to choose to abort (choosing to kill another person, as you say), but it's of no consequence if you accidentally do the same?


  • #824
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    ryan101 wrote: »
    What right do you have to kill another human life ?
    I could use the same opinion excuse to another human being, because when its my opinion it's ok to kill, it must be ok ?



    no one can stop you killing someone but if you do you face the full rigors of the law, you most likely will be arrested, charged, go to court, have a custodial sentence, have a criminal record, not be able to do certain things after your release ie apply for certain jobs as a result........


    none of the above applies to a woman who has an abortion even if she has that abortion here in ireland.


    for all the talk about the unborn having equal life value in the eyes of the law even the State recognises that they are not the same


  • #825
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,894 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Pocoyo wrote: »
    But the abortion industry is often abused and forced on young women,You have no right to defend such a corrupt industry.

    Is there any such thing as an 'abortion industry'?


  • #826
    StudentDad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭StudentDad


    ryan101 wrote: »
    What right do you have to kill another human life ?
    I could use the same opinion excuse to another human being, because when its my opinion it's ok to kill, it must be ok ?

    In your opinion, you think abortion is wrong. That's fine. It is a belief you hold. I'm simply saying that you do not have the right to impose that belief on another adult human. You are free to live your life as you see fit, within the law. This woman has made her choice. You don't like it. At the end of the day it was her decision, within the law.

    SD


  • #827
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    LordChessington wrote: »
    Is there any such thing as an 'abortion industry'?

    Yes. It's run by the PC Brigade and the Wife Swappin' Sodomites. :D


  • #828
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    StudentDad wrote: »
    In your opinion, you think abortion is wrong. That's fine. It is a belief you hold. I'm simply saying that you do not have the right to impose that belief on another adult human. You are free to live your life as you see fit, within the law. This woman has made her choice. You don't like it. At the end of the day it was her decision, within the law.

    SD

    So you don't believe other human lives should be protected from the opinion that it's ok to kill them ?


  • #829
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    StudentDad wrote: »
    By what right do you feel you have do you think it is right to impose your belief on another adult human?

    By what right do you feel women should be able to choose to destroy the life of a growing fetus?

    Often times, a fetus at a stage where, were it to be placed in an incubator, it would be defined as a child.


  • #830
    StudentDad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭StudentDad


    ryan101 wrote: »
    So you don't believe other human lives should be protected from the opinion that it's ok to kill them ?

    You are confusing a cluster of cells with living breathing individuals who are naturally accorded the protection of law.

    So in that sense you are seeking to impose your will on another adult to whom you have no connection, other than your opinion.

    SD


  • #831
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Ryan101's posts, with their in depth analysis and total lack of argument-by-assertion, have really moved me.

    I resolve to get at least a few recreational abortions a year.


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  • #832
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    By what right do you feel women should be able to choose to destroy the life of a growing fetus?

    Often times, a fetus at a stage where, were it to be placed in an incubator, it would be defined as a child.

    What is the earliest a child can be born and survive in an incubator? 22 - 24 weeks ish? Most abortions are carried out during the first trimester.


  • #833
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,993 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    ryan101 wrote: »
    What right do you have to kill another human life ?
    I could use the same opinion excuse to another human being, because when its my opinion it's ok to kill, it must be ok ? And it would be none of you business, right ?

    As a student dad, I'm sure you know the mother could have aborted your child, but that would be ok to kill your child because it's her opinion that its ok ? Did you ever wonder looking at them what if they had been aborted ?

    An embryo is not a human life and I've yet to see you actually provide an argument to show that it is.

    Cause and effect are tricky things. If we follow your logic backwards, then if a woman has an abortion it's murder because a future child will be killed. The same would happen if she'd taken the morning after pill. Or if he'd used a condom. Or if They hadn't had sex. Or if he hadn't hit on her in a bar. Or of she hadn't gone into that bar. Or if she'd gone to a different college in a different town. Or if her Parents had've emigrated when she was young..... Or if, or if, or if...

    Did you ever wonder what it would have been like if someone had've taken a right turn instead of a left turn 500 years ago. Butterfly's all over the place and we'd be living in a country run by the French. Who knows? I could be a woman and you could be an onion seller.

    trying to do a regression from an event is dangerous. Technically by not having sex tonight I'm killing my future sons and all their children.

    If you want to say that an abortion is killing a person, then you have to prove that an embryo is a person. Something you've not even tried.


  • #834
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    StudentDad wrote: »
    You are confusing a cluster of cells with living breathing individuals who are naturally accorded the protection of law.

    So in that sense you are seeking to impose your will on another adult to whom you have no connection, other than your opinion.

    SD

    We're all "just a cluster of cells" including your child, and yet it's ok for others to impose their opinion that it's ok to kill another human life.


  • #835
    StudentDad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭StudentDad


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    By what right do you feel women should be able to choose to destroy the life of a growing fetus?

    Often times, a fetus at a stage where, were it to be placed in an incubator, it would be defined as a child.

    I will never be in a position to have to make that decision. That decision is for an adult woman to make. It is her body, her life and ultimately her decision.

    SD


  • #836
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    ryan101 wrote: »
    We're all "just a cluster of cells" including your child, and yet it's ok for others to impose their opinion that it's ok to kill another human life.

    Are you having a go at freedom of expression too?


  • #837
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    ryan101 wrote: »
    We're all "just a cluster of cells" , and yet it's ok for others to impose their opinion that it's ok to kill another human life.

    Its only imposing your opinion if you try and force or pressure women into having abortions which no one is trying to do.


  • #838
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Its only imposing your opinion if you try and force or pressure women into having abortions which no one is trying to do.

    It's imposing your opinion on the human life that is killed


  • #839
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,993 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    ryan101 wrote: »
    It's imposing your opinion on the human life that is killed

    Prove it's a human life. Please no religious explanations about souls and magic.

    Actually, define human life.


  • #840
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    ryan101 wrote: »
    It's imposing your opinion on the human life that is killed

    The foetus doesn't get a say, its not capable of having a say.


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  • #841
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    Grayson wrote: »
    Prove it's a human life. Please no religious explanations about souls and magic.

    Funny that the first person to mention religion was you.
    Quite a few atheists are pro life and anti abortion.
    You don't have to be religious to know killing a defenseless human life is wrong.
    Biologically human life begins at conception.
    It's your claim is that it is not, you'll have to prove that, and tell us when human life does begin ?


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