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Woman uploads abortion video - goes viral

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  • #242
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    Sarky wrote: »
    Pretty much. Seeing as nobody else owns a woman's body besides herself, she does kinda get the final say in what she allows to happen to it.

    Nobody wants to stop women doing whatever they wish with their bodies. It is what they do with the unborn child that some people have an issue with.
    It's quite a straightforward argument, and doesn't state things that are just untrue, or fall into the traps of ignorance that people with buggerall knowledge of DNA ..

    Eh, it is the pro-choice side of things here that are labeling fetuses parasites.
    ..or embryonic development tend to fall into when making emotional appeals about tiny babies being murdered by cold, heartless feminazis or whatever the particular focus of self-righteous outrage du jour may be.

    Oh and what about the appeals about the woman's lives being ruined?

    Are these appeals not "emotional" also?


  • #243
    daithi84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭daithi84


    RobertKK wrote: »
    So does breastfeeding in mammals including humans, make the mammal or human a parasite?

    No this would not be consistent with a parasitic lifestyle. The production of milk to feed young is a defining characteristic unique to mammals. Also the milk is not necessary for survival of the child as other sources of nourishment can be obtained. Also the child is not taking the milk forcefully or without knowledge of the mother. The mother is the one who is feeding the child not the child taking resources from the mother. The mother does not need the milk to survive, the milk serves one purpose which is to feed the child. The child at this stage is no longer displaying parasitic qualities, this relationship is more of nurture and care.


  • #244
    COYVB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    RobertKK wrote: »
    So does breastfeeding in mammals including humans, make the mammal or human a parasite?

    No, because that's you misunderstanding what a parasite is


  • #245
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Where does it say that :confused:

    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/_mobile/advice/health/why-i-filmed-my-abortion

    It was my first pregnancy, and, full disclosure, I hadn't been using any kind of birth control, which is crazy, I know. I’m a sex educator, and I love talking about birth control. ..

    .. So I tracked my ovulation cycle, and I didn’t have any long-term partners. I thought I was OK. But, you know, things happen. I wound up pregnant.


    ..The guy wasn’t involved in my decision. I called my supervisor and said, “Excuse me, I am going to need to schedule one abortion, please.” .


  • #246
    Penny Tration
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    Mauzo, it's fine to be pro-life.

    Nobody is asking you to be pro-choice.

    You have a belief, and you're absolutely entitled to it.

    I, and many others may not believe in the same principles as you, but your beliefs are just as valid.

    So if you're pro-life, don't try to 'make' yourself be pro-choice. :)


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  • #247
    Wazdakka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭Wazdakka


    I've said it before, and I'll say it again until I'm blue in the face...

    Plain and simple..
    This issue needs a referendum!

    If 51% of the Irish population vote one way...
    Then that becomes law for the next 10 years...
    Then we can vote again....

    Whoever looses has to shut the hell up and stop dragging this dead horse of an debate through the mill..


    Morally, there are ALWAYS going to be people that agree, and disagree with you...
    It's the point of everyone having our own moral compass...


    The only way to deal with this is for the majority of the people who care enough to cast a vote, have the rule..


  • #248
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    COYVB wrote: »
    That's a horrendously misguided attempt at... I have no idea what, to be honest.

    Seems like it's an attempt to, not quite glamourise the whole thing, but it's almost there.

    I'm 100% pro choice, but everything about that video seems in bad taste. I suspect the girl in question is just a little naive. Her choice of wording is absolutely dreadful, no thought at all gone into it. I can imagine being in a relationship trying to have a baby but not being able to for whatever reason, and seeing a girl who had just had an abortion going on about how awesome she thinks it is that she can make a baby. I assume that would make me very angry at the world, and her. All because of her choice of wording.

    I can't imagine her life is going to be super fun now that that's gone viral

    I agree she's not very articulate. I would have preferred it had she shown the business end of the abortion, as that would have dispelled fears and misinformation far more than watching various expressions on her face.

    People who want children but can't have them are already painfully aware of how intrinsically unfair nature is - I doubt this will tip them over the edge.


  • #249
    seenitall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    Nobody wants to stop women doing whatever they wish with their bodies. It is what they do with the unborn child that some people have an issue with.

    Give me strength...


  • #250
    COYVB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    Eh, it is the pro-choice side of things here that are labeling fetuses parasites.

    That's because they technically parasites. The word has very negative connotations that some people can't seem to get past though. It's like when you say Hitler was a genius and people balk at it. Hitler WAS technically a genuis, embryos ARE technically parasites, human life IS technically no more valuable than single celled life.

    People just don't like hearing things like that because it affects their view of the way things should, not necessarily how they are.


  • #251
    omahaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭omahaid


    It's a good video, any referendum on the issue from now on I'll know how to vote. I was on the fence tbh.


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  • #252
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    Muise... wrote: »
    Nope. There seem to be lots of definitions of parasite and people are using the ones that back them up. The foetus is dependent on the women it lives in. It may not match someone's chosen definition, so maybe a metaphor is better.

    Okay, not trolling. Waffling.


  • #253
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    COYVB wrote: »
    That's because they technically parasites. The word has very negative connotations that some people can't seem to get past though. It's like when you say Hitler was a genius and people balk at it. Hitler WAS technically a genuis, embryos ARE technically parasites, human life IS technically no more valuable than single celled life.

    People just don't like hearing things like that because it affects their view of the way things should, not necessarily how they are.

    Hitler mention.

    /thread


  • #254
    COYVB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    Hitler mention.

    /thread

    Replace with any incredibly awful dictator, be creative, they all tended to be geniuses


  • #255
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    Okay, not trolling. Waffling.

    went over your head, did it?


  • #256
    seenitall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭seenitall


    omahaid wrote: »
    I was on the fence tbh.

    haha, a good one.

    Tbh. :rolleyes:


  • #257
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    COYVB wrote: »
    Replace with any incredibly awful dictator, be creative, they all tended to be geniuses

    How about Godwin?


  • #258
    omahaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭omahaid


    seenitall wrote: »
    haha, a good one.

    Tbh. :rolleyes:

    I love rolleyes, here's one for you :rolleyes:


  • #259
    Days 298
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Days 298


    blacklilly wrote: »
    Great argument:rolleyes: thousands are raped, murdered, beaten and abused everyday throughout the world, does that make it right, or dimisish the actions of those responsible? Should we all just trun a blind eye to the wrongs and get on with our lives....once it doesn't effect me I don't care attitude?
    Many beleieve abortion is the killing of a human being, how could you expect those who believe that to just ignore it, do they not have a right to stand up for what they believe in and to defend the right of the unborn?

    Im prochoice. I understand and respect the prolife beliefs but dont believe others should be bound by them.


  • #260
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Days 298 wrote: »
    Im prochoice. I understand and respect the prolife beliefs but dont believe others should be bound by them.

    But society adopts positions and laws based on a set of beliefs shared by (normally) a majority of citizens.

    Do you think a person should not have to be bound by a law against stealing from shops if they don't share the view that stealing is wrong?


  • #261
    COYVB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    How about Godwin?

    Did you just read about Godwin's Law recently or something? You seem to be making a bit of a song and dance about showing you're aware of it


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  • #262
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    COYVB wrote: »
    Did you just read about Godwin's Law recently or something? You seem to be making a bit of a song and dance about showing you're aware of it

    I just think it's funny someone would use yer man's name in an argument on the internet in this day and age...and expect not to be called on it.


  • #263
    COYVB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    I just think it's funny someone would use yer man's name in an argument on the internet in this day and age...and expect not to be called on it.

    I'd have thought the web would be a bit past that. It's akin to sniggering when someone unintentionally says something with homosexual innuendo


  • #264
    seenitall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭seenitall


    omahaid wrote: »
    I love rolleyes, here's one for you :rolleyes:

    Surely not as much as I utterly detest the "tbh"... ;) (how do you feel on winks?)


  • #265
    blacklilly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭blacklilly


    ash23 wrote: »
    They do I suppose. But the other side of it is that abortion is legal in many countries and in this country women are legally allowed to travel for an abortion. So comparing it to murder, rape, assault etc simply is extremist.

    It's your OPINION that it is killing of a human being. However the law in this country does not back you up on that and states that women are allowed to travel legally to obtain an abortion.


    So just because a person might be of the OPINION that something is wrong and immoral doesn't mean that if they are in a country where it is legal, that they can try and enforce their views on others.

    It's scientific fact that abortion is the killing of a human being, that fact cannot be disputed.

    I wasn't comparing it to anything, it was a previous poster that I quoted.

    The law in this country does protect the life of the unborn, that has not changed.
    Furthermore, this country permits people to travel, it does not explicity permit people to travel to procure an abortion. Everyone has a right to travel, what they do when they travel,if legal in the country they travel to, cannot result in prosecution here.


  • #266
    PeteFalk78
    Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    COYVB wrote: »
    I'd have thought the web would be a bit past that.

    The Web? Past that? Seriously?

    This is After Hours, it seems somebody make a very valid point about your statement and you don't like it one bit.


  • #267
    Days 298
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Days 298


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    But society adopts positions and laws based on a set of beliefs shared by (normally) a majority of citizens.

    Do you think a person should not have to be bound by a law against stealing from shops if they don't share the view that stealing is wrong?

    Sure why not? What a daft question. I presume this women had a legal termination so its irrelevant. That said our customs seizes abortion pills being imported every year. Id much rather women could safely go to a doctor than do a diy job dont you?


  • #268
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    COYVB wrote: »
    I'd have thought the web would be a bit past that. It's akin to sniggering when someone unintentionally says something with homosexual innuendo

    Or a word like "jizzle"?

    Giggidy


  • #269
    daithi84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭daithi84


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    But society adopts positions and laws based on a set of beliefs shared by (normally) a majority of citizens.

    Do you think a person should not have to be bound by a law against stealing from shops if they don't share the view that stealing is wrong?

    The eight amendment to the Constitution was made in 1983, that means that anybody under the age of 49 has not had a say on the topic in terms of a national vote. The amendment was only brought in as a reactionary fear over courts deciding on the issue as what happened in the US. Every vote since then of the government trying to restrict abortion further or even remove information about it has failed! The only reason this issue hasn't exploded is due to our proximity to the UK otherwise you would have probably thousands of women every year dying from botched abortion attempts.


  • #270
    Wazdakka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭Wazdakka


    I almost forgot that this was AH...
    :eek:

    Ok,

    I'll just leave, This, and This... Here...

    Woo....
    Super serious internetz business!! :)


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  • #271
    xzanti
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    I'm pro choice but that video is creepy imo.

    She looked like she was documenting her first Vajazzle, not having a pregnancy terminated.


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