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Woman uploads abortion video - goes viral

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  • #212
    seenitall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭seenitall


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Wikipedia is referenced, you know ;)

    Show me one definition or scholarly article about 'parasites' where human foetuses are cited as an example.

    And why would I need to go trawling the net to do that? A renowned dictionary publisher not "scholarly" enough for you? Tough siht.


  • #213
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Parasite schmarasite - that's the trouble with fundamentalists: they do not understand metaphor.


  • #214
    seenitall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    @seenitall: The dictionary definition you supplied proves you wrong:

    Nope, sorry, nowhere in there is it referenced as another species.


  • #215
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Muise... wrote: »
    Parasite schmarasite - that's the trouble with fundamentalists: they do not understand metaphor.

    So something is a metaphor when it doesn't really stand up to scrutiny? Like the whole "woman and foetus are a single entity" thing.


  • #216
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,568 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Muise... wrote: »
    Parasite schmarasite - that's the trouble with fundamentalists: they do not understand metaphor.

    Wtf are you on about now? Fundamentalist?

    Metaphor my arse. People are explicitly stating that foetuses are parasites. If they mean it in a metaphorical sense then they should state as much


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  • #217
    seenitall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Not a metaphor.


  • #218
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    So something is a metaphor when it doesn't really stand up to scrutiny? Like the whole "woman and foetus are a single entity thing."

    This is getting tied up in knots. The question is, who is in charge? I say the woman who has the THING inside her body.


  • #219
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,007 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Can everyone who is arguing about the use of the word parasite (on both sides of the argument) please move to a different thread? You're giving me a headache. :)


  • #220
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 9,832 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Something very sad that something like life is ended in such a trivial manner.


  • #221
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    And her body, her choice is not?

    Pretty much. Seeing as nobody else owns a woman's body besides herself, she does kinda get the final say in what she allows to happen to it. It's quite a straightforward argument, and doesn't state things that are just untrue, or fall into the traps of ignorance that people with buggerall knowledge of DNA or embryonic development tend to fall into when making emotional appeals about tiny babies being murdered by cold, heartless feminazis or whatever the particular focus of self-righteous outrage du jour may be.


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  • #222
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,623 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Boombastic wrote: »
    you said having an abortion was a better solution for you financially than getting sterilized. It's better to kill than to take personal responsibility, fair enough, I get you

    how much does an abortion cost?

    Real classy.


  • #223
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I was kind of enjoying (if that is the right word considering the subject matter) the debate earlier on in the thread. Now it all seems a bit pedantic and a sea of dictionary definitions.

    Oh well


  • #224
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Grayson wrote: »
    Can everyone who is arguing about the use of the word parasite (on both sides of the argument) please move to a different thread? You're giving me a headache. :)

    Bit of Star-Trek cloaking n all sorts to ease the pain :
    A University of Reading team found it employs a cloaking device very similar to that used by parasitic worms.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7081298.stm


  • #225
    Days 298
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Days 298


    And contraception denies millions the opportunity of existence. Life goes on. We all live our own lives, thousands die in countries the developed countries exploit and few bat a finger. Shes no better than the people who verbally assault women going into abortion centers. Opposites sides of the spectrum, people are just too used to pro life fanatics owning the airwaves in this country with campaigns that get funding from who knows where :rolleyes:


  • #226
    blacklilly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭blacklilly


    Sarky wrote: »
    Pretty much. Seeing as nobody else owns a woman's body besides herself, she does kinda get the final say in what she allows to happen to it. It's quite a straightforward argument, and doesn't state things that are just untrue, or fall into the traps of ignorance that people with buggerall knowledge of DNA or embryonic development tend to fall into when making emotional appeals about tiny babies being murdered by cold, heartless feminazis or whatever the particular focus of self-righteous outrage du jour may be.

    Hardly fair or accurate to state that people who oppose your beliefs are self-righteous or ignorant. Very narrow minded of you.


  • #227
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    seenitall wrote: »
    Nope, you're the one who brought in the incubators.

    I never said I didn't bring incubators into it. Jesus.
    Muise... wrote: »
    Parasite schmarasite - that's the trouble with fundamentalists: they do not understand metaphor.

    Metaphor? You have to be trolling.


  • #228
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    I know it upset some in the Seanad when a certain type of abortion was described in the Seanad, apparently an accurate description but it caused offense to the pro-choice politicians.

    Adults should be shown actual abortions for educational purposes, then one can make up their mind if they support it or not.


  • #229
    daithi84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭daithi84


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Babies in incubators cannot survive without the resources its host (in this case a machine) provides. You talk about biology yet you don't realise that biological speaking foetuses and parasites are separate entities.

    oh i do realise a parasite and foetus are separate entities. But a foetus has the same life process as parasite until it is born which is that of a parasite. A parasite isn't a specific species it is a life process that certain entities go through or live their life entirely by. Therefore in mammalian species the first stage of development is that which is parasitic in nature which requires the foetus to feed of the host until it is at the stage to be born at which stage it lives independently of the host body.

    The fact a born child would need an incubator is not part of the discussion. Yes it needs external sources to survive but an incubator is not a biological being, it is a human made machine which assists in health care of an individual.


  • #230
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    daithi84 wrote: »
    oh i do realise a parasite and foetus are separate entities. But a foetus has the same life process as parasite until it is born which is that of a parasite. A parasite isn't a specific species it is a life process that certain entities go through or live their life entirely by. Therefore in mammalian species the first stage of development is that which is parasitic in nature which requires the foetus to feed of the host until it is at the stage to be born at which stage it lives independently of the host body.

    The fact a born child would need an incubator is not part of the discussion. Yes it needs external sources to survive but an incubator is not a biological being, it is a human made machine which assists in health care of an individual.

    So does breastfeeding in mammals including humans, make the mammal or human a parasite?


  • #231
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    blacklilly wrote: »
    Hardly fair or accurate to state that people who oppose your beliefs are self-righteous or ignorant. Very narrow minded of you.

    It's a good thing that I didn't do that, then, isn't it?

    By all means oppose abortion, but at least have the decency to check your "scientific facts" are actually that, and not just a half-understood excuse to push a particular view.


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  • #232
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    Metaphor? You have to be trolling.

    Nope. There seem to be lots of definitions of parasite and people are using the ones that back them up. The foetus is dependent on the women it lives in. It may not match someone's chosen definition, so maybe a metaphor is better.


  • #233
    blacklilly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭blacklilly


    Days 298 wrote: »
    And contraception denies millions the opportunity of existence. Life goes on. We all live our own lives, thousands die in countries the developed countries exploit and few bat a finger. Shes no better than the people who verbally assault women going into abortion centers. Opposites sides of the spectrum, people are just too used to pro life fanatics owning the airwaves in this country with campaigns that get funding from who knows where :rolleyes:

    Great argument:rolleyes: thousands are raped, murdered, beaten and abused everyday throughout the world, does that make it right, or dimisish the actions of those responsible? Should we all just trun a blind eye to the wrongs and get on with our lives....once it doesn't effect me I don't care attitude?
    Many beleieve abortion is the killing of a human being, how could you expect those who believe that to just ignore it, do they not have a right to stand up for what they believe in and to defend the right of the unborn?


  • #234
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Where does it say that :confused:

    in the article


  • #235
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Boombastic wrote: »
    in the article

    Maybe she should have filmed that too.......for completeness like.


  • #236
    blacklilly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭blacklilly


    Sarky wrote: »
    It's a good thing that I didn't do that, then, isn't it?

    By all means oppose abortion, but at least have the decency to check your "scientific facts" are actually that, and not just a half-understood excuse to push a particular view.

    Can you show me some of these false scientific facts you speak of?


  • #237
    PeteFalk78
    Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    Maybe she should have filmed that too.......for completeness like.

    Yuck, One video of a lowlife dirty skank is enough.


  • #238
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    blacklilly wrote: »
    Great argument:rolleyes: thousands are raped, murdered, beaten and abused everyday throughout the world, does that make it right, or dimisish the actions of those responsible? Should we all just trun a blind eye to the wrongs and get on with our lives....once it doesn't effect me I don't care attitude?
    Many beleieve abortion is the killing of a human being, how could you expect those who believe that to just ignore it, do they not have a right to stand up for what they believe in and to defend the right of the unborn?

    They do I suppose. But the other side of it is that abortion is legal in many countries and in this country women are legally allowed to travel for an abortion. So comparing it to murder, rape, assault etc simply is extremist.

    It's your OPINION that it is killing of a human being. However the law in this country does not back you up on that and states that women are allowed to travel legally to obtain an abortion.


    So just because a person might be of the OPINION that something is wrong and immoral doesn't mean that if they are in a country where it is legal, that they can try and enforce their views on others.


  • #239
    Elmer Blooker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,338 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    thomas anderson. wrote: »
    Her body, her choice.
    her choice to be an attention seeker, this famous-for-fifteen-minutes celebrity culture has really reached a new low..... if that's possible!


  • #240
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    Yuck, One video of a lowlife dirty skank is enough.

    There's no need for that kind of language really.


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  • #241
    COYVB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    That's a horrendously misguided attempt at... I have no idea what, to be honest.

    Seems like it's an attempt to, not quite glamourise the whole thing, but it's almost there.

    I'm 100% pro choice, but everything about that video seems in bad taste. I suspect the girl in question is just a little naive. Her choice of wording is absolutely dreadful, no thought at all gone into it. I can imagine being in a relationship trying to have a baby but not being able to for whatever reason, and seeing a girl who had just had an abortion going on about how awesome she thinks it is that she can make a baby. I assume that would make me very angry at the world, and her. All because of her choice of wording.

    I can't imagine her life is going to be super fun now that that's gone viral


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