Get caught stealing chips - Win €8000 !!!

jimgoose · 23-04-2014 11:28AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

No but you should be sacked.

Put in a sack and then thrun in a ditch. Obviously!

Sir Arthur Daley · 23-04-2014 11:28AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a few chips.

And chicken goujons and other food according to the article, it all adds up.
Deli food is not cheap, lets say if she was consuming €4 of food per day over a year that would not long be adding up.

Guy:Incognito · 23-04-2014 11:28AM

FTA69 wrote: »

A deli-worker eating a few chips is not in the same league as stroking valuable cigarettes etc despite the hyperbole some people in this thread have engaged in. .

How is stealing a tenners worth of food not the same as stealing a packet of cigarettes?

jimgoose · 23-04-2014 11:29AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How is stealing a tenners worth of food not the same as stealing a packet of cigarettes?

Because an actual tenners worth of deli chips would capsize a bull-elephant?

crusher000 · 23-04-2014 11:29AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Now that's not the same at all. The Deli counter is on the shop floor and I'd be amazed if it wasn't able to be seen on some camera already, the new one just gave a proper look at what the staffs hands were at I'd say.

Or down her blouse or at her ass when she's bending down lovely now we're really opening up the flood gates a court case. Make that 8,000 and 80,000 pay out please.

suicide_circus · 23-04-2014 11:29AM

Hope she enjoys the 8 grand. Good luck to her getting a job after her name has been publicised for employee theft.

Amirani · 23-04-2014 11:29AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

No but you should be sacked.

I don't think many people would have an issue with the employee in question being warned about the behaviour (and highlighting the introduction of additional CCTV) and subsequently sacked. Dunnes didn't follow proper legal protocol though in this instance. I don't see why people would have a problem with the court judgement?

Robbo · 23-04-2014 11:30AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

another case where the courts seems to ultimately do their best to make the scumbag appear to be the victim.

RoboRat wrote: »

I don't know which is worse, that they had the audacity to bring this case when they were clearly in the wrong or that they actually won it?

Some of the judiciary in the country should be put on trial for their shocking decisions.

I appreciate the general appetite for a courts/judge bashing thread (and the thanks it will generate), but this was an EAT decision. 2 of the 3 tribunal members are most likely trade unionists and someone from IBEC or similar. The other one was probably a mediator.

Also, the issue of not being allowed illegally record employees without there consent has been known of in employment law circumstances for several years. If Dunnes had a competent HR department they may have been aware of this before letting the manager start a Dwight Schrute style investigation.

Shelflife · 23-04-2014 11:30AM

Usual ****e about basic rights and procedures not been followed. While im not saying that employers should be allowed to ride roughshod over their employees its a total joke that people who steal from their employers would be allowed to gain from a minor procedural or admin error while the employer is in effect the greater wronged party.

Since when do we have to tell people that stealing is wrong, why would you have to warn someone or address the fact that taking something without paying is not acceptable ??

for those who say well its only a few chips, where do you draw the line ? a few chips, a sandwich? a mineral? a box of cornflakes? a lotto ticket?

As someone who has been through this I can tell you it starts off with a few small things and then escalates, then another member of staff sees them taking a sandwich every day and assumes that they can as well, all of a sudden all the staff are at it and the owner is left wondering why their overdraft is getting bigger.

Its a joke of a system where the injured party ie the employer has to just through admininstative hoops to sack someone who is stealing from them.

For those who are not employers, how would you like it if someone came up to your desk and took €1 out of your wallet every single day ?? ahhh sure its only €1 its hardly scumbag behaviour !!

Guy:Incognito · 23-04-2014 11:30AM

jimgoose wrote: »

Because an actual tenners worth of deli chips would capsize a bull-elephant?

Deflect all you want, stealing is stealing.

jimgoose · 23-04-2014 11:31AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Deflect all you want, stealing is stealing.

I know what stealing is, thank you.

suicide_circus · 23-04-2014 11:31AM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

I don't think many people would have an issue with the employee in question being warned about the behaviour (and highlighting the introduction of additional CCTV) and subsequently sacked. Dunnes didn't follow proper legal protocol though in this instance. I don't see why people would have a problem with the court judgement?

I dont really, dunnes broke the law, fair enough.

FTA69 · 23-04-2014 11:32AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How is stealing a tenners worth of food not the same as stealing a packet of cigarettes?

Because the value of something like a handful of chips isn't comparable to a taxed and dutied pre-priced product like fags or booze. Similarly someone nibbling on chips isn't comparable to stealing a saleable or valuable product really. I somehow doubt she was pilfering bin-liners full of frozen chips and breaded chicken fillets.

As I said, I'm not condoning it but there is a difference between a deli worker throwing on a slice of toast for themselves and someone raiding the spirits room. I wouldn't put that person down as a "scumbag". I'd rather use that term to describe people who try and sack workers for being a member of a union or because they wouldn't handle Apartheid produce.

Guy:Incognito · 23-04-2014 11:32AM

crusher000 wrote: »

Or down her blouse or at her ass when she's bending down lovely now we're really opening up the flood gates a court case. Make that 8,000 and 80,000 pay out please.

I'd say loads of cameras around all the stores captured down peoples blouses and see their arses all day.

RoboRat · 23-04-2014 11:34AM

I dont really, dunnes broke the law, fair enough.

If thats the case then why can't the employees be brought to task for stealing as that is a crime?

Whats good for the goose and all that.

Guy:Incognito · 23-04-2014 11:34AM

jimgoose wrote: »

I know what stealing is, thank you.

But its ok as long as its only low value stuff though, yeah?

suicide_circus · 23-04-2014 11:34AM

RoboRat wrote: »

If thats the case then why can't the employees be brought to task for stealing as that is a crime?

Whats good for the goose and all that.

Indeed. Dunnes should press charges for theft.

jimgoose · 23-04-2014 11:35AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I dont really, dunnes broke the law, fair enough.

So it would appear. And one could take the view that a corporate behemoth, with a known track record of driving a coach-and-four whither they will, taking such liberties with helpless low-paid workers is rather more serious and worthy of judicial intervention than some young wan half-inching a handful of maggoty chips. Theoretically, like.

Guy:Incognito · 23-04-2014 11:35AM

FTA69 wrote: »

Because the value of something like a handful of chips isn't comparable to a taxed and dutied pre-priced product like fags or booze. Similarly someone nibbling on chips isn't comparable to stealing a saleable or valuable product really. I somehow doubt she was pilfering bin-liners full of frozen chips and breaded chicken fillets.

As I said, I'm not condoning it but there is a difference between a deli worker throwing on a slice of toast for themselves and someone raiding the spirits room. I wouldn't put that person down as a "scumbag". I'd rather use that term to describe people who try and sack workers for being a member of a union or because they wouldn't handle Apartheid produce.

Lots of chips, toast etc is the very same as stealing 1 item of the same value.

FTA69 · 23-04-2014 11:35AM

Shelflife wrote: »

Usual ****e about basic rights and procedures not been followed. While im not saying that employers should be allowed to ride roughshod over their employees its a total joke that people who steal from their employers would be allowed to gain from a minor procedural or admin error while the employer is in effect the greater wronged party.

Minor procedural error my arse. They illegally erected spy cameras and blatantly failed to follow a pretty standard dismissal procedure. They're a big company with millions of pounds worth of HR staff, lawyers etc who should be up on this sort of thing. Instead you probably had some dry-arse of a manager on a power trip who felt employment law didn't apply to them. You're making it out as if there wasn't an "I" dotted or "t" crossed.

They broke the law pretty clearly and blatantly and they paid the price. Tough sh*t for them.

RoboRat · 23-04-2014 11:37AM

Because the value of something like a handful of chips isn't comparable to a taxed and dutied pre-priced product like fags or booze. Similarly someone nibbling on chips isn't comparable to stealing a saleable or valuable product really.

There is also health and safety thrown into the mix too. Eating behind a food counter is a big no no. It is in the UK anyhow and I would think their standards are pretty similar to here.

suicide_circus · 23-04-2014 11:38AM

FTA69 wrote: »

Minor procedural error my arse. They illegally erected spy cameras and blatantly failed to follow a pretty standard dismissal procedure. They're a big company with millions of pounds worth of HR staff, lawyers etc who should be up on this sort of thing. Instead you probably had some dry-arse of a manager on a power trip who felt employment law didn't apply to them. You're making it out as if there wasn't an "I" dotted or "t" crossed.

They broke the law pretty clearly and blatantly and they paid the price. Tough sh*t for them.

Yep and dunnes should pursue this woman through the courts for theft. She broke the law too.

LynnGrace · 23-04-2014 11:39AM

jimgoose wrote: »

Put in a sack and then thrun in a ditch. Obviously!

A big sack, if you were 'at the chips like a combine harvester'!

Lapin · 23-04-2014 11:39AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I hope all those on their high horses have never stolen a pen, been on the internet for personal use (stealing your employers time), used the company phone for personal calls, taken longer on breaks etc.

It's a few chips.

Secretly monitoring staff is such a big no no. If they were that interested to know what the staff were up to, they should have told them.

If I was caught I'd put my hands up and accept the consequences for my actions.

Not go running to the EAT. (No pun intended).

It may have been 'a few chips' as you put it. Add that other food that the thief also admitted to stealing and the fact that she worked there for four years and it all adds up.

Who do you think ends up paying in the long term?

I don't believe in claiming compensation for my own dishonesty.

As for the presence of cameras. Get over it. We are being watch almost everywhere now. If you don't break the law, you've nothing to fear or hide.

jimgoose · 23-04-2014 11:41AM

LynnGrace wrote: »

A big sack, if you were 'at the chips like a combine harvester'!

Jaws of the Tiger. :cool:

Ihatecuddles · 23-04-2014 11:42AM

I was in a deli the other day, you put the wedges in the box yourself and they weigh it at the till.

€8 for what I thought was about €3 worth of wedges. She probably owes them millions!!!

Garrigai · 23-04-2014 11:43AM

Employment law, where the employer is guilty until proven innocent

jacksie66 · 23-04-2014 11:46AM

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Valetta · 23-04-2014 11:46AM

Lapin wrote: »

As for the presence of cameras. Get over it. We are being watch almost everywhere now. If you don't break the law, you've nothing to fear or hide.

As for taking a few chips, get over it.

If Dunnes didn't break the law, they would have nothing to fear.

Agent Smith · 23-04-2014 11:47AM

I, For one, Welcome our new chip eating overlords....

Get caught stealing chips - Win €8000 !!!

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