wind power the future ? yes no?

samsclub · 19-04-2014 02:12PM #1

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/special-report-a-look-at-the-wind-energy-debate-264502.html
interesting article . and also the new ones now seem to be lower less harm to birds and also propele at 6 km per hour of low wind . to boot it off .
some of these for example.
http://windpowerauthority.com/top-5-low-speed-wind-turbines/

Capt'n Midnight · 19-04-2014 02:46PM

samsclub wrote: »

http://windpowerauthority.com/top-5-low-speed-wind-turbines/

Mostly snake oil.

Considering the cost of existing three bladed wind turbines a gain of even a few % in efficiency or reduced costs would mean savings of millions for a large wind farm.

wazky · 19-04-2014 02:48PM

We could set up a CE scheme in which people on the dole could turn the blades on the turbines by hand, no need for wind at all then.

AnonoBoy · 19-04-2014 03:05PM

We could just flatten Longford and make it the wind farm county.

Problem solved.

Sure people in Longford would complain but sure who f*cking cares about people from Longford?

Sauve · 19-04-2014 03:09PM

A German man once told me that wind turbines take more energy to make than they'll ever generate. Or something.
I was trying to score him at the time so tbh I'm not entirely sure what he said.

Sunnyisland · 19-04-2014 03:10PM

Sauve wrote: »

A German man once told me that wind turbines take more energy to make than they'll ever generate. Or something.
I was trying to score him at the time so tbh I'm not entirely sure what he said.

And the important qustion , did you score ? Or was it all just hot air...

Menas · 19-04-2014 03:13PM

More wind power.
More wave power.
Less oil and coal and other carbon emitting power sources.

Vote for me.

Temptamperu · 19-04-2014 03:14PM

considering its windy almost every day of the year i think its a great idea... but the typical irish not in my back garden shíte seeps in and we stay in the past with fossil fuels.

Sauve · 19-04-2014 03:14PM

realies wrote: »

And the important qustion , did you score ? Or was it all just hot air...

No

I shoulda copped it when the conversation turned to renewable energy tbh :P

Panthro · 19-04-2014 03:15PM

realies wrote: »

And the important qustion , did you score ? Or was it all just hot air...

I'd say they ended up going round in circles

Sauve · 19-04-2014 03:15PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

considering its windy almost every day of the year i think its a great idea... but the typical irish not in my back garden shíte seeps in and we stay in the past with fossil fuels.

I'd love a turbine in my back yard. Despite the noise they generate, I think they're really hypnotic. I could look at them spin all day.

Temptamperu · 19-04-2014 03:19PM

Theres a house on the way to the square with one and its quite quiet, its a little bit of a hum but its not loud.

Sauve · 19-04-2014 03:26PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

Theres a house on the way to the square with one and its quite quiet, its a little bit of a hum but its not loud.

What square? Where?!

Domestic turbines are tinchy compared to the industrial ones I meant, they're fair loud so they are.

ArtyM · 19-04-2014 03:28PM

Sauve wrote: »

No
I shoulda copped it when the conversation turned to renewable energy tbh :P

Yeah, not likely to ever appear on Cosmo's list of '10 ways to tell that a date is going well'

Iwasfrozen · 19-04-2014 03:34PM

Nah nuclear power is the future folks, when we run out of oil we can't afford to be as picky. Presuming we haven't discovered nuclear fusion yet (presuming that's possible small scale)

hfallada · 19-04-2014 03:38PM

Coal powered plants are the future. Although they are highly polluting. Coal is just so cheap. America is a massive coal producer and due to its declining industry and increased use of gas. America is selling coal for next to nothing compared to expensive gas. Gas is also becoming more difficult to source with the issues with Russia

Bubbaclaus · 19-04-2014 03:39PM

Nuclear is the future. It would be the present if it wasn't for all the scaremongering

Wabbit Ears · 19-04-2014 03:41PM

Another vote for nuclear. Except for the whole radioactive disater thing its the most efficient and renewable source of energy available.

Dublinstiofán · 19-04-2014 03:41PM

I think wave power will be the future.

Capt'n Midnight · 19-04-2014 04:16PM

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

Another vote for nuclear. Except for the whole radioactive disater thing its the most efficient and renewable source of energy available.

So why is the UK paying double the wholesale rate for it ?

Capt'n Midnight · 19-04-2014 04:18PM

wazky wrote: »

We could set up a CE scheme in which people on the dole could turn the blades on the turbines by hand, no need for wind at all then.

http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20110713.gif

Temptamperu · 19-04-2014 04:25PM

Sauve wrote: »

What square? Where?!

Domestic turbines are tinchy compared to the industrial ones I meant, they're fair loud so they are.

Tallaght Square sorry.

Stavros Murphy · 19-04-2014 05:02PM

hfallada wrote: »

Coal powered plants are the future. Although they are highly polluting. Coal is just so cheap. America is a massive coal producer and due to its declining industry and increased use of gas. America is selling coal for next to nothing compared to expensive gas. Gas is also becoming more difficult to source with the issues with Russia

Yeah, I kinda go along with this. There's better ways of burning coal now, it is treated as a "liquid" fuel and burnt by high pressure injection rather than heaped up in burning piles - think ground to a fine dust and shot out of a nozzle like oil is. That gives a very complete burn and massive energy release. Wind power is nice, it's fluffy, it's kinda like EVs, but when the chips are down, it's just a supplementary source, it just isn't demand-led, it is supply-regardless.

It's like lighting a candle - nice, helpful, makes the room look well, but if you lose your contact lense, you'll flick the switch to your 100w halogens and stop fcuking around.

maxwell smart · 19-04-2014 05:02PM

hfallada wrote: »

Coal powered plants are the future. Although they are highly polluting. Coal is just so cheap. America is a massive coal producer and due to its declining industry and increased use of gas. America is selling coal for next to nothing compared to expensive gas. Gas is also becoming more difficult to source with the issues with Russia

Ignore that coal is highly polluting, won't we eventually run out of it?

And could it be really cheap because there is less and less demand for it, therefore, if we switched to using more coal, wouldn't the price then go up?

Renewables, while expensive, will by their very nature never run out or be 'used up' (although they won't be providing power 24/7) so at some stage we will have to face up to facts, we will need nuclear power to provide an 'always on' back up.

At some stage, somehow, we will have to ignore the monetary costs of renewables and also that some people are going to be 'put out' by the placement of them. Trying to accommodate the local protest group is what has held this country back since its foundation.

Stavros Murphy · 19-04-2014 05:06PM

maxwell smart wrote: »

Ignore that coal is highly polluting, won't we eventually run out of it?

And could it be really cheap because there is less and less demand for it, therefore, if we switched to using more coal, wouldn't the price then go up?

Renewables, while expensive, will by their very nature never run out or be 'used up' (although they won't be providing power 24/7) so at some stage we will have to face up to facts, we will need nuclear power to provide an 'always on' back up.

At some stage, somehow, we will have to ignore the monetary costs of renewables and also that some people are going to be 'put out' by the placement of them. Trying to accommodate the local protest group is what has held this country back since its foundation.

Err yeah, we do that now. Windmills die in debt, they're like hens.

maxwell smart · 19-04-2014 05:15PM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

Err yeah, we do that now. Windmills die in debt, they're like hens.

Your missing the point I am making. We need to ignore that they are built and operated at a loss because some day we won't have any alternative

Stavros Murphy · 19-04-2014 05:22PM

maxwell smart wrote: »

Your missing the point I am making. We need to ignore that they are built and operated at a loss because some day we won't have any alternative

No, some day they will make solid financial sense, when battery technology catches up. That hasn't occurred yet, but it will, stuff changes. Then, build ahead and blow trumpets. For now, hold the eulogies. It's future technology being used to provide current solutions(excuse the pun) and falling short. Time will fix that. I'm not anti at all, I'm just a bit of a cynic. Some of the big investors in the field also have a habit of hitting the jackpot on fads and then moving on, killing made. That gives me cause for concern.

YFlyer · 19-04-2014 06:43PM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

No, some day they will make solid financial sense, when battery technology catches up. That hasn't occurred yet, but it will, stuff changes. Then, build ahead and blow trumpets. For now, hold the eulogies. It's future technology being used to provide current solutions(excuse the pun) and falling short. Time will fix that. I'm not anti at all, I'm just a bit of a cynic. Some of the big investors in the field also have a habit of hitting the jackpot on fads and then moving on, killing made. That gives me cause for concern.

Agree like hens

Stavros Murphy · 19-04-2014 07:19PM

YFlyer wrote: »

Agree like hens

Good analogy. Windymills are currently free-range and lay their eggs at times people might not want them laid, and none when they do. If they could store and release the output as required, QED. Till then, they're like hens. Free range ones.

Chucken · 19-04-2014 08:55PM

I want a free range windymill

mr_edge_to_you · 19-04-2014 09:32PM

We can just use batteries!

wind power the future ? yes no?

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