The Revenge of the Post Here When You Get Something New thread

MrVestek · 16-04-2014 12:23PM

Steve SI wrote: »

That's the difference between a 30 second edit and a 5 minute edit

There's a difference between Microsoft Paint and GIMP. ;-)

Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy · 16-04-2014 12:25PM

MrVestek wrote: »

One of those "Hey ho, pip and dandy moments sir...".

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/doge

MrVestek · 16-04-2014 12:29PM

Sera wrote: »

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/doge

Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy · 16-04-2014 12:30PM

MrVestek wrote: »

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/doge

MrVestek · 16-04-2014 12:31PM

Sera wrote: »

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/doge

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/doge

Steve X2 · 16-04-2014 12:48PM

MrVestek wrote: »

There's a difference between Microsoft Paint and GIMP. ;-)

GIMP!!!

What am I, a Peasant!!

STG.Otaku · 16-04-2014 12:51PM

MrVestek wrote: »

Yes that's a Blackberry POS Bold 9900. That's my work desk... I paid for us to get a bunch of professional shots done a while ago for our engagement so I'm darn well going to display them around the place to get my money's worth!

That bold has been sitting on my desk as a tester for months now.

Thankfully everyone is moving towards iPhones and Android devices so I'll no longer need to deal with Crackberries anymore.

The keyboards are fine but having to have a separate service on the network for them... and having to centrally manage them.

No thanks!

I've still got a Note 3 as a personal and an S4 for work. We're kind of in that limbo area right now too. The murky fog of decision-making to finally break away from BBOS/BES.

I actually took delivery of a Nokia 1520 yesterday to mess around with for a bit. I swear to God, Windows Phone is the way forward. And you can chuck it on to the latest BES for an MDM solution, saving the hassle of going with a cloud solution for MDM (and the costs that come along with it).

The real meat of the sandwich is with built-in RMS though. It's magical! It's built-in and just bloody well works. No fuss. If you want RMS on an Android, iOS or BBOS solution you are looking at a truckload of cash to get it to work.

In WP8.1 apparently RMS can be initiated from the handset rather than just participate in RMS initated from Outlook or OWA etc. That's a game changer right there. Another thing is the setup time from out of the box to in the hand production. Setup via Activesync took about 2 minutes (tops, seriously). Bowled over by that. No device enrolments, mucking around with app installs, containers etc. Just chuck in your domain info etc and away you go. Brilliant for handset rollouts and refreshing.

I had a Lumia 800 in the past, loved it and quickly fell out of love with it. WP8 (and 8.1) though is a different beast. F**k Android, iOS and BBOS, Windows Phone is seriously shaping up to be THE enterprise solution.

o1s1n's guvnor will be well happy.

the groutch · 16-04-2014 12:53PM

did someone say Doge?

http://doge2048.com/

MrVestek · 16-04-2014 01:56PM

STG.Otaku wrote: »

I've still got a Note 3 as a personal and an S4 for work. We're kind of in that limbo area right now too. The murky fog of decision-making to finally break away from BBOS/BES.

I actually took delivery of a Nokia 1520 yesterday to mess around with for a bit. I swear to God, Windows Phone is the way forward. And you can chuck it on to the latest BES for an MDM solution, saving the hassle of going with a cloud solution for MDM (and the costs that come along with it).

The real meat of the sandwich is with built-in RMS though. It's magical! It's built-in and just bloody well works. No fuss. If you want RMS on an Android, iOS or BBOS solution you are looking at a truckload of cash to get it to work.

In WP8.1 apparently RMS can be initiated from the handset rather than just participate in RMS initated from Outlook or OWA etc. That's a game changer right there. Another thing is the setup time from out of the box to in the hand production. Setup via Activesync took about 2 minutes (tops, seriously). Bowled over by that. No device enrolments, mucking around with app installs, containers etc. Just chuck in your domain info etc and away you go. Brilliant for handset rollouts and refreshing.

I had a Lumia 800 in the past, loved it and quickly fell out of love with it. WP8 (and 8.1) though is a different beast. F**k Android, iOS and BBOS, Windows Phone is seriously shaping up to be THE enterprise solution.

o1s1n's guvnor will be well happy.

I'm sorry but Windows Phone OS can go die in a fire as far as I'm concerned.

If that's all it has going for it then I see feck all point. From a business perspective? I completely understand what you're saying but by making activesync integration so seemless in Windows Phone 7/8 only they've totally ****ed over a potential customer base.

I would gladly fork out for extra licenses to have a better Activesync integration / functionality with iOS and Android.

It'd ultimately cost less than pissing off the entire workforce by forcing them to use Windows Phone OS.

Especially when they have a certain level of freedom on iOS and Android.

Besides Exchange 2010 / 2013 has some built in iOS / Android controls such as remote wiping etc. Why would I want any more than that?

Sorry dude you're on your own where Windows Phone OS is concerned!

I digress however...

MrVestek · 16-04-2014 01:57PM

Steve SI wrote: »

GIMP!!!

What am I, a Peasant!!

No yer a GIMP. :P

Steve X2 · 16-04-2014 02:41PM

MrVestek wrote: »

No yer a GIMP. :P

Yes, but only at weekends and for a price.

STG.Otaku · 16-04-2014 02:44PM

MrVestek wrote: »

I'm sorry but Windows Phone OS can go die in a fire as far as I'm concerned.

If that's all it has going for it then I see feck all point. From a business perspective? I completely understand what you're saying but by making activesync integration so seemless in Windows Phone 7/8 only they've totally ****ed over a potential customer base.

I would gladly fork out for extra licenses to have a better Activesync integration / functionality with iOS and Android.

It'd ultimately cost less than pissing off the entire workforce by forcing them to use Windows Phone OS.

Especially when they have a certain level of freedom on iOS and Android.

Besides Exchange 2010 / 2013 has some built in iOS / Android controls such as remote wiping etc. Why would I want any more than that?

Sorry dude you're on your own where Windows Phone OS is concerned!

I digress however...

I get what you are saying, until recently I dismissed Windows Phone too. But that was because of lack of apps. There's nothing wrong with the OS. From a trial I ran recently, users were more enthusiastic about Windows Phone than Android and iOS.

They found it easier to use and pretty much everything required was built-in and ready to go. In a real-world situation, these devices would likely be going in to the silver haired belt-and-braces arena or the 'picnic' (problem in chair not in computer) crowd. Android, or at least the 'Samsung bloat' is too overwhelming. What do they 'really need? Calls. SMS. Data. Roaming data. Email. BBM. Lync. That's pretty much it as a vanilla install. Plus for quick deployment and/or refresh turnaround, setting up, for example, an S4 is a pain in the backside compared to powering on a Lumia, entering a few creds and away you go. What the user does with the app store is their business. You save yourself that few bob by throwing the phones on the latest BES as an MDM (so stagger the rollout) and away you go.

To have all of that ready to go on one device, and then use the MDM for cost control, roaming, audit etc in comparison to buttocking around setting up an S4/S5 et al, creating accounts, downloading apps, container installs and clients tied to the container, then investing thousands of Euro in an RMS solution?

At this stage I'd rather take the Windows Phone. The problem is, gadget envy. Windows Phone doesn't have the 'street cred' and it would take a lot of convincing to get that particular crowd on-side. But show them what WP can do, and the fact handsets are more price friendly and vendors happier to do deals just to clear stock, and in my personal opinion, WP is a no-brainer.

Myrddin · 16-04-2014 02:46PM

I seriously, have no clue about modern phones. I'm clinging onto that old Nokia like glue

MrVestek · 16-04-2014 03:16PM

STG.Otaku wrote: »

I get what you are saying, until recently I dismissed Windows Phone too. But that was because of lack of apps. There's nothing wrong with the OS. From a trial I ran recently, users were more enthusiastic about Windows Phone than Android and iOS.

They found it easier to use and pretty much everything required was built-in and ready to go. In a real-world situation, these devices would likely be going in to the silver haired belt-and-braces arena or the 'picnic' (problem in chair not in computer) crowd. Android, or at least the 'Samsung bloat' is too overwhelming. What do they 'really need? Calls. SMS. Data. Roaming data. Email. BBM. Lync. That's pretty much it as a vanilla install. Plus for quick deployment and/or refresh turnaround, setting up, for example, an S4 is a pain in the backside compared to powering on a Lumia, entering a few creds and away you go. What the user does with the app store is their business. You save yourself that few bob by throwing the phones on the latest BES as an MDM (so stagger the rollout) and away you go.

To have all of that ready to go on one device, and then use the MDM for cost control, roaming, audit etc in comparison to buttocking around setting up an S4/S5 et al, creating accounts, downloading apps, container installs and clients tied to the container, then investing thousands of Euro in an RMS solution?

At this stage I'd rather take the Windows Phone. The problem is, gadget envy. Windows Phone doesn't have the 'street cred' and it would take a lot of convincing to get that particular crowd on-side. But show them what WP can do, and the fact handsets are more price friendly and vendors happier to do deals just to clear stock, and in my personal opinion, WP is a no-brainer.

I turn on the phone, I set up their email.

The rest is up to them as far as I'm concerned as it's non business related.

I totally get where you're coming from on a business level like I said but if that's all the phones have going for them then they're going to fail in the market, you can trust me on that.

It's the typical Microsoft thing of embracing and changing it just enough to convince people to stay within one solution.

Balls to that I say.

Besides users don't just want their smartphones for email and IM and we all know it. We all know that there are a certain subset of people that will go out of their way to break a company phone just to get the latest and greatest.

Usually at managerial level or above.

Anyway we have some propriatory applications that only either have Windows CE 6.5 (please don't ever make me use this OS again) applications or an Android application.

They *could* develop a Win Phone OS version of the app for us at a cost but feck that. That budget can be saved to give directors their flashy smartphones that they'll never use for anything more than checking their email.

They will end up with flashy phones though and they'll love IT for it as a result.

Anyway. Activesync as a thing needs to die. Permanently.

Optimus Prime · 16-04-2014 05:37PM

We have active sync running on WP8, IOS and Android devices with no issues at all. you dont need extra license for IOS and Android. We encrypt each device and use a 6 digit pin and can remote wipe from exchange 2007? we had no hassle setting it up. we're also implementing BYOD at the minute too.

Atavan-Halen · 16-04-2014 06:05PM

Honestly, what I look for in a phone is "can I take selfies, and can I upload them to twitter?" If it passes my rigorous test then I'm sold. It also must have an apple logo in it somewhere so people know I'm a sophisticated young go getter in this dog eat dog world.

Retr0gamer · 16-04-2014 06:17PM

I'm still rocking a brick Nokia. Still going strong and only needs a charge after a week.

MrVestek · 16-04-2014 06:56PM

keithgeo wrote: »

We have active sync running on WP8, IOS and Android devices with no issues at all. you dont need extra license for IOS and Android. We encrypt each device and use a 6 digit pin and can remote wipe from exchange 2007? we had no hassle setting it up. we're also implementing BYOD at the minute too.

I think he was talking about third party solutions for remote management of the device on some level but yes since Exchange 2007 and above there are plugins available (some by default) that allow exchange to directly control an activesync enabled device - which is all of them.

Andrew76 · 16-04-2014 07:12PM

So to summarise today's activities:

Steve: Illustrator fanboy.
Pyong: Windows Phone fanboy.
Vestek: 'Anything but Windows Phone' fanboy.
Atavan: Apple fanboy.
Myrddin & Retr0: Use phones powered by coal.

:P :P

CiDeRmAn · 16-04-2014 07:18PM

I'm an Android fan, rocking with Cyanogenmod firmware on my S4, looking forward to Kitkat any day now.

Myrddin · 16-04-2014 08:19PM

Jaysis, I'm off to ebay to buy something...anything, to get this thread readable again

STG.Otaku · 16-04-2014 08:40PM

Definitely a Windows Phone fan here. Unashamedly so too. But more from an Enterprise angle.

As a day to day consumer phone, I love my Note 3. I hope the Note 4, when/if such a device arrives, can top it.

I really do believe, if the workplace embraced WP, it could be a proper BlackBerry replacement. The only things swimming around RIM's think tank right now are turds.

Optimus Prime · 16-04-2014 08:55PM

MrVestek wrote: »

I think he was talking about third party solutions for remote management of the device on some level but yes since Exchange 2007 and above there are plugins available (some by default) that allow exchange to directly control an activesync enabled device - which is all of them.

Cool, we didn't need any plugins though all 3 operating systems just worked for calendar email encryption etc . We are replacing mdm devices with another application that sandboxes apps on the mobile devices to give network access to shares, sharepoint etc. You can publish your own apps within it. With this type of thing Microsoft are behind apple and android until recently you could do feck all with the windows 8 devices other than see then in the console haha .

Anyway way off topic here so ill leave it at that !

Latest pick up, Red Tmolding for a cab. I haven't bought a game in ages other than pilotwings on the 3ds in argos this week. All my money is going towards prams and other boring baby stuff.