Ulster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

errlloyd · 09-04-2014 01:13PM

Sounds a lot like the commissioner wanted to throw it out but also had to stand by the ref.

Brewster · 09-04-2014 01:53PM

errlloyd wrote: »

Sounds a lot like the commissioner wanted to throw it out but also had to stand by the ref.

Of course, if there was no ban, effectively it would be an admission that referee made the wrong call. This was never going to be the case because of the sheer impact decision had on Ulster's season.

sweetthing · 09-04-2014 02:31PM

Brewster wrote: »

Of course, if there was no ban, effectively it would be an admission that referee made the wrong call. This was never going to be the case because of the sheer impact decision had on Ulster's season.

talk about ****ting on ulster though...as if the red card wasnt bad enough...

.ak · 09-04-2014 02:55PM

Brewster wrote: »

Of course, if there was no ban, effectively it would be an admission that referee made the wrong call. This was never going to be the case because of the sheer impact decision had on Ulster's season.

He could easily not ban him and state that the red card was punishment enough, that would back up the ref and yet probably err on the side of fairness.

When all is said and done however the ref and judiciary process is correct within the letter of the law, but I don't agree with it. I think in some situations being 'reckless' is unavoidable and the duty of care of players cannot be upheld in certain situations at nobodies particular fault.

Buer · 09-04-2014 03:43PM

Buer wrote: »

I'd say, at most, 2 weeks and that would only be if they're looking to make an example of it. He has received one yellow card in his entire career.

One day you'll listen to me.

One day.

jacothelad · 09-04-2014 03:57PM

Buer wrote: »

One day you'll listen to me.

One day.

Soon.....

bilston · 09-04-2014 04:36PM

Probably always the most likely outcome. I just think banning him serves no purpose at all. He didn't do anything intentionally so what do they think he will learn from the ban? I suppose they have a framework they have to work within though.

Heard something else annoying today from someone who was at the game. Apparently Ashton was definitely offside for the cross field kick try. I was told 5 metres, although I assume that was slightly embellished, but still if true it rubs salt into the wounds...I must admit while the replays didn't show anything my gut feeling was that he was onside but anyway thought I'd pass on what I was told...

First Up · 09-04-2014 04:39PM

All things considered it is probably a fair outcome. He was never going to get off entirely - the commissions first ruling was that the Red card was justified and it is inconceivable they would have found otherwise. This isn't just backing up Garces; its about showing that they are serious about dangerous play and by any interpretation of the laws, this qualified as dangerous play.

After that comes consideration of the punishment and any mitigating circumstances. That might include the "punishment enough" angle but I reckon it was more about the obvious lack of intent and his good record. When that was balanced against the offence, the three weeks reduced to two decision emerged.

I would not have been surprised if it had fallen into the mid-range (6 weeks) category but I'm happy for Payne and Ulster that it didn't.

awec · 09-04-2014 04:39PM

TBH they checked the offside. There was no angle that had both Farrell and Ashton in shot at the same time but he looked onside.

bilston · 09-04-2014 04:44PM

awec wrote: »

TBH they checked the offside. There was no angle that had both Farrell and Ashton in shot at the same time but he looked onside.

Oh I totally agree, the camera angle didn't tell us one way or the other, but his was the second time I'd heard from someone at the game that Ashton was offside. But as I say my gut said he was probably on.

Podge_irl · 09-04-2014 04:45PM

If he actually was offside then it would be incredibly stupid cause he had no need to be.

awec · 09-04-2014 04:46PM

bilston wrote: »

Oh I totally agree, the camera angle didn't tell us one way or the other, but his was the second time I'd heard from someone at the game that Ashton was offside. But as I say my gut said he was probably on.

No point worrying any more bilster - console yourself with the thought of what Clermont will hopefully do to them in the semi final. :P

bilston · 09-04-2014 04:48PM

awec wrote: »

No point worrying any more bilster - console yourself with the thought of what Clermont will hopefully do to them in the semi final. :P

It's not like we'd have beaten Clermont minus Best, Tuohy, Wilson, possibly Afoa and Pienaar anyway.

bilston · 09-04-2014 04:48PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

If he actually was offside then it would be incredibly stupid cause he had no need to be.

Aye, true

.ak · 09-04-2014 09:29PM

awec wrote: »

TBH they checked the offside. There was no angle that had both Farrell and Ashton in shot at the same time but he looked onside.

I think he looked miles offside considering how far he'd have to cover if he was on, but there was no wide angle so they couldn't do anything about it. Again, poor form on the touch judges part

matthew8 · 09-04-2014 09:34PM

.ak wrote: »

I think he looked miles offside considering how far he'd have to cover if he was on, but there was no wide angle so they couldn't do anything about it. Again, poor form on the touch judges part

Watch it again. He had barely any ground to cover.

jacothelad · 09-04-2014 09:57PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

If he actually was offside then it would be incredibly stupid cause he had no need to be.

Yes, Ashton would never do anything stupid now, would he.:D

CatFromHue · 10-04-2014 12:34AM

Just listening to Off the Ball on Newstalk and Gerry Thornley was very against the Payne Red card whereas Keith Wood was for it.

ssaye2 · 10-04-2014 10:02AM

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/ulster-to-decide-today-whether-to-appeal-payne-s-two-week-ban-1.1756403

ssaye2 · 10-04-2014 10:54AM

http://uafc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17115&sid=aeda1239722f8d383d88cbb5d29906b4&start=75

silly names aside

They were wrong

Ulster XV and replacements to face Connacht, RaboDirect PRO12 Ravenhill, Friday 11th April (kick off 19:05) (15-9): R Andrew, A Trimble, T Bowe, L Marshall, C Gilroy, P Jackson, P Marshall; (1-8): A Warwick, R Herring, R Lutton, J Muller (Captain), I Henderson, R Diack, C Henry, N Williams; Replacements (16-23): N Annett, T Court, A Macklin, L Stevenson, S Doyle, M Heaney, J McKinney, S McCloskey.

awec · 10-04-2014 10:55AM

Do alright.

.ak · 10-04-2014 10:56AM

Looking forward to seeing McCloskey again.

ssaye2 · 10-04-2014 11:02AM

Ulster XV and replacements to face Connacht, RaboDirect PRO12 Ravenhill, Friday 11th April (kick off 19:05) (15-9): R Andrew, A Trimble, T Bowe, L Marshall, C Gilroy, P Jackson, P Marshall; (1-8): A Warwick, R Herring, R Lutton, J Muller (Captain), I Henderson, R Diack, C Henry, N Williams; Replacements (16-23): N Annett, T Court, A Macklin, L Stevenson, S Doyle, M Heaney, J McKinney, S McCloskey.

Bowe 13

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience · 10-04-2014 11:03AM

ssaye2 wrote: »

Ulster XV and replacements to face Connacht, RaboDirect PRO12 Ravenhill, Friday 11th April (kick off 19:05) (15-9): R Andrew, A Trimble, T Bowe, L Marshall, C Gilroy, P Jackson, P Marshall; (1-8): A Warwick, R Herring, R Lutton, J Muller (Captain), I Henderson, R Diack, C Henry, N Williams; Replacements (16-23): N Annett, T Court, A Macklin, L Stevenson, S Doyle, M Heaney, J McKinney, S McCloskey.

Bowe 13

Very, very interesting

awec · 10-04-2014 11:05AM

Hopefully that team can do the job. Need Paul Marshall to have a decent game.

bilston · 10-04-2014 11:10AM

Would have preferred Gilroy at 15 and Scholes on the wing, other than that a decent selection. Will be interesting to see how the front row goes.

.ak · 10-04-2014 11:15AM

Great to see Trimble is fit. I think he's crucial to your chances in the play offs.

justsomebloke · 10-04-2014 11:16AM

Did Ferris pick up a knock last week?

awec · 10-04-2014 11:21AM

Don't think so. I reckon we don't need to push him so hard now we're out of Europe.

its_phil · 10-04-2014 11:29AM

ssaye2 wrote: »

Ulster XV and replacements to face Connacht, RaboDirect PRO12 Ravenhill, Friday 11th April (kick off 19:05) (15-9): R Andrew, A Trimble, T Bowe, L Marshall, C Gilroy, P Jackson, P Marshall; (1-8): A Warwick, R Herring, R Lutton, J Muller (Captain), I Henderson, R Diack, C Henry, N Williams; Replacements (16-23): N Annett, T Court, A Macklin, L Stevenson, S Doyle, M Heaney, J McKinney, S McCloskey.

Bowe 13

Exciting backline. Bowe will be interesting. I'd imagine Connacht will be targeting the scrum, especially Warwick.

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