Farming Chit Chat sallies Fourth

darragh_haven · 26-03-2014 09:09AM

Sull576 wrote: »

4000 sheeps, few hundred cattle and 500 acres of tillage...
What an operator

Im in scotland at the moment, and met a farmer in his "yard"....... Its like a fupping runway with cattle on it. between 3000 to 4000 cattle on it, and he has a ball of sheep up on the hills too. :eek:

darragh_haven · 26-03-2014 09:13AM

Muckit wrote: »

Channel 4 jimmy Doherty very good programme about world food prices

yeah, watched that last night, its culture change and relative wealth around the world seems have the biggest impact on prices.

Methinks we are just a drop in the ocean in the world food market.

bogman_bass · 26-03-2014 09:38AM

Feckin calf got a chill and died on me dispite me puiing him under the lamp and putting hot water bottles around him :mad:

biddy2013 · 26-03-2014 09:46AM

bogman_bass wrote: »

Feckin calf got a chill and died on me dispite me puiing him under the lamp and putting hot water bottles around him :mad:

feck... will you try another calf on her?

moy83 · 26-03-2014 09:47AM

bogman_bass wrote: »

Feckin calf got a chill and died on me dispite me puiing him under the lamp and putting hot water bottles around him :mad:

Thats a bitch bogman but at least you did everything you could . We lost a heifer and a calf after a section last week aswell its a dirty loss but what can you do

Delber · 26-03-2014 09:49AM

Lads/Lassies

Can I take a heifer back into the herd if she is out of brucellosis test. Long story short, heifer is springing but not declared so she has been thrown back but she has gone over 24mths since sale.
Sold before 24th months so no blood test done but now over 24 months so test would be needed. Would he need to test her first
Where do i stand?
cheers

moy83 · 26-03-2014 09:50AM

Delber wrote: »

Lads/Lassies

Can I take a heifer back into the herd if she is out of brucellosis test. Long story short, heifer is springing but not declared so she has been thrown back but she has gone over 24mths since sale.
Sold before 24th months so no blood test done but now over 24 months so test would be needed. Would he need to test her first
Where do i stand?
cheers

Im not certain but im pretty sure she will have to be tested the same as if he was selling any other heifer

biddy2013 · 26-03-2014 09:51AM

Delber wrote: »

Lads/Lassies

Can I take a heifer back into the herd if she is out of brucellosis test. Long story short, heifer is springing but not declared so she has been thrown back but she has gone over 24mths since sale.
Sold before 24th months so no blood test done but now over 24 months so test would be needed. Would he need to test her first
Where do i stand?
cheers

yes she would have to ne blood tested first and then he would apply for a movement permit. Alot to be said for scanning before sale

GrandSoftDay · 26-03-2014 09:59AM

moy83 wrote: »

Thats a bitch bogman but at least you did everything you could . We lost a heifer and a calf after a section last week aswell its a dirty loss but what can you do

Happened me there a few weeks ago aswell, calf had hypothermia by the time I came on her.

Genghis Cant · 26-03-2014 10:10AM

bogman_bass wrote: »

Feckin calf got a chill and died on me dispite me puiing him under the lamp and putting hot water bottles around him :mad:

Sickener alright, despite your best efforts. They can go downhill so fast.

Genghis Cant · 26-03-2014 10:12AM

Delber wrote: »

Lads/Lassies

Can I take a heifer back into the herd if she is out of brucellosis test. Long story short, heifer is springing but not declared so she has been thrown back but she has gone over 24mths since sale.
Sold before 24th months so no blood test done but now over 24 months so test would be needed. Would he need to test her first
Where do i stand?
cheers

Same as any other movement. I hope she's lucky for ya.

reilig · 26-03-2014 10:37AM

Anyone at the marts lately?
I've been at a few and things look to be picking up a little. If you have a good weinling bull or heifer that will be easily finished under 30 months then there are plenty of farmers not afraid to go deep in their pockets. I'm still a little confused as to the logic of keeping bucket fed calves and selling them at 12 to 14 months. White heads, LIM, CH and BB calves that were probably bought at €200 to €300 and currently weigh 200kg to 250kg are struggling to make €350 to €450. As bad as sucklers are we're at least breaking even. Are these guys selling bucket fed weinlings at a loss?

Reggie. · 26-03-2014 10:52AM

reilig wrote: »

Anyone at the marts lately?
I've been at a few and things look to be picking up a little. If you have a good weinling bull or heifer that will be easily finished under 30 months then there are plenty of farmers not afraid to go deep in their pockets. I'm still a little confused as to the logic of keeping bucket fed calves and selling them at 12 to 14 months. White heads, LIM, CH and BB calves that were probably bought at €200 to €300 and currently weigh 200kg to 250kg are struggling to make €350 to €450. As bad as sucklers are we're at least breaking even. Are these guys selling bucket fed weinlings at a loss?

Uncle sold two AAX heifers last week. 440kg and 460kg. Made 990 and 1010

reilig · 26-03-2014 11:26AM

Reggie. wrote: »

Uncle sold two AAX heifers last week. 440kg and 460kg. Made 990 and 1010

2 strong heifers by all accounts. What ages were they?

What I can't understand is the guy who sell bucket fed weinlings after having them for 12 months. They buy them deer and sell them cheap and only the first and last man has anything out of them.

Nekarsulm · 26-03-2014 11:35AM

saw 9 Fr bulls in Carnaross last Monday, 13 months, straight out of a slatted shed. ( slats were full for some time, by the looks of them, and they never saw a nut in their lives) landed into the calf ring. (no scales there) Made about 320 Euro average. Then back to the suck calves making 130 for a shapely fr bull, up to 440 for a BB or Ch bull calf. Heifer sucks, White heads about 240 ish, and BB and Ch up to 320 Euro. All about the 4 week age mark.

Reggie. · 26-03-2014 11:45AM

reilig wrote: »

2 strong heifers by all accounts. What ages were they?

What I can't understand is the guy who sell bucket fed weinlings after having them for 12 months. They buy them deer and sell them cheap and only the first and last man has anything out of them.

About the 22 month mark. I always wait till my sucks are the same age before I sell them and I agree with ya on the selling too early point....makes no sense

Round Bale · 26-03-2014 11:48AM

reilig wrote: »

Anyone at the marts lately?
I've been at a few and things look to be picking up a little. If you have a good weinling bull or heifer that will be easily finished under 30 months then there are plenty of farmers not afraid to go deep in their pockets. I'm still a little confused as to the logic of keeping bucket fed calves and selling them at 12 to 14 months. White heads, LIM, CH and BB calves that were probably bought at €200 to €300 and currently weigh 200kg to 250kg are struggling to make €350 to €450. As bad as sucklers are we're at least breaking even. Are these guys selling bucket fed weinlings at a loss?

Had 10 nice cont x heifers at mart last week. 11 / 12 months old. Average weight 345kgs. Average price €987. Didn't sell.
Would have averaged €770 / €780 off the cow last Oct.
I figure cost me €180 to keep Oct to March.
Current price not paying the guy overwintering in the first winter.
Thinking now of grassing them until August. Maybe sell then, or try finish off grass and concentrates by Christmas. Maybe that's another way to lose even more money!!

Farmer Pudsey · 26-03-2014 12:05PM

Round Bale wrote: »

Had 10 nice cont x heifers at mart last week. 11 / 12 months old. Average weight 345kgs. Average price €987. Didn't sell.
Would have averaged €770 / €780 off the cow last Oct.
I figure cost me €180 to keep Oct to March.
Current price not paying the guy overwintering in the first winter.
Thinking now of grassing them until August. Maybe sell then, or try finish off grass and concentrates by Christmas. Maybe that's another way to lose even more money!!

There is an old saying when you sell there has to be somthing for the other man. Those heifers were making 2.86/kg:eek:. Take it that you killed them at 340kgs DW in 12 months time (about 630LW) and they made 1430 euro(about 4.2/kg. So you took a loss overwintering , I bought cattle last fall and would have been as well off waiting until now. In August will they weight 475kgs. The out look is not too good, lad that was paying that would have made little or no money on them.

30 euro in mart, sales and transport. 100 euro for grass for the summer. House at 530kgs feed for 80 days at 3/day 240 euro. Vet/dosing/ testing/mortality 25 euro. Not far off 400 euro. So he have about 43 euro for his troubles and to cover fixed costs:D.

At present R+ heifers are making 4.2/kg. Assuming a 54% K/O he was givving you 5.3/kg.

blue5000 · 26-03-2014 12:22PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

There is an old saying when you sell there has to be somthing for the other man. Those heifers were making 2.86/kg:eek:. Take it that you killed them at 340kgs DW in 12 months time (about 630LW) and they made 1430 euro(about 4.2/kg. So you took a loss overwintering , I bought cattle last fall and would have been as well off waiting until now. In August will they weight 475kgs. The out look is not too good, lad that was paying that would have made little or no money on them.

30 euro in mart, sales and transport. 100 euro for grass for the summer. House at 530kgs feed for 80 days at 3/day 240 euro. Vet/dosing/ testing/mortality 25 euro. Not far off 400 euro. So he have about 43 euro for his troubles and to cover fixed costs:D.

At present R+ heifers are making 4.2/kg. Assuming a 54% K/O he was givving you 5.3/kg.

Ya pudsey try looking at it from the other side, surely the man producing the raw material should be getting a living out of it too?

Lets say we drop out the €30 for the mart, transport and sales and the farm levy at the factory on 100 cattle, that's 3,500 for the primary producer, never mind the zero gain that cattle do after arriving on a new farm for the first month. How many bvd samples and ear tags do you pay for in a year?

Farmer Pudsey · 26-03-2014 12:57PM

blue5000 wrote: »

Ya pudsey try looking at it from the other side, surely the man producing the raw material should be getting a living out of it too?

Lets say we drop out the €30 for the mart, transport and sales and the farm levy at the factory on 100 cattle, that's 3,500 for the primary producer, never mind the zero gain that cattle do after arriving on a new farm for the first month. How many bvd samples and ear tags do you pay for in a year?

Blue I am just giving the figures. I consider that 2.86/KG LW price was a flaking price for stores. Even assuning a good LW gain from here to August with a present factory base of 4/kg will the base be less in August the outlook is not good. They will need to make 600 with there weight for him to break even on holding them. As we can see from my figures the Farmer that was giving hime 987 euro would have little or nothing out of them. There is often no point in following a loss to a bigger loss.

Yes I do not pay for ear tags or BVD samples however my meal bill would be a bit more than that. Even dosing store cattle compared to calf's is a bit more expensive. WE can get iinto all type of symantics, however the reality is that at present the store price is unsustainable. By the way I am not one of those farmers that goes around preaching that the store is too expensive. Rather I am making the point that with a factory price of 4/kg for heifers and with a negative outlook 987 euro for a 345kg heifer was a flaking price. She might not see that prive again until she gets above 500kg.

naughto · 26-03-2014 01:04PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Nice to learn about other farming practice's.
Lot of very good sheep farmers around this country

thanks i no iam on only day two of sheep farming but its nice to hear:):):)

leg wax · 26-03-2014 02:13PM

Round Bale wrote: »

Had 10 nice cont x heifers at mart last week. 11 / 12 months old. Average weight 345kgs. Average price €987. Didn't sell.
Would have averaged €770 / €780 off the cow last Oct.
I figure cost me €180 to keep Oct to March.
Current price not paying the guy overwintering in the first winter.
Thinking now of grassing them until August. Maybe sell then, or try finish off grass and concentrates by Christmas. Maybe that's another way to lose even more money!!

i think the man you refused to sell too was the lucky one,

;):rolleyes::D:)

Round Bale · 26-03-2014 02:20PM

leg wax wrote: »

i think the man you refused to sell too was the lucky one, ;):rolleyes::D:)

Jeez, go away, both youself and Pudsey:o If the OH, sees the mess I made of selling the cattle, she will take the cards off me:eek:

I'll be reporting back here next Xmas, about the wad of cash I made by keeping the heifers:D You'll both see then:P

Now that reminds me, I need to order more fertilizer, to keep them chewing

Damo810 · 26-03-2014 02:47PM

From Claremorris CAP meeting last night. farmers handed these out and were asked by the IFA to stop doing so..

Conmaicne Mara · 26-03-2014 03:09PM

Damo810 wrote: »

From Claremorris CAP meeting last night. farmers handed these out and were asked by the IFA to stop doing so..

I wasn't there !!

Farmer Pudsey · 26-03-2014 03:22PM

Damo810 wrote: »

From Claremorris CAP meeting last night. farmers handed these out and were asked by the IFA to stop doing so..

Did they stop or did they keep giving them out. Would they force the farm orginisations to stop collecting from your sales

Conmaicne Mara · 26-03-2014 03:27PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Did they stop or did they keep giving them out. Would they force the farm orginisations to stop collecting from your sales

That is the letter being passed around at the FF CAP meetings. It's to stop the levy yes.

Damo810 · 26-03-2014 04:11PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Did they stop or did they keep giving them out. Would they force the farm orginisations to stop collecting from your sales

Couldn't tell you, I didn't make it last night, the picture is from Ming Flanagans FB page.

Ming Flanagan wrote:

At the meeting in relation to CAP in Claremorris last night a group of farmers were handing out this letter. It was to facilitate those wishing not to pay levies to the IFA at marts every time they sell an animal. Those handing out the leaflets were warned by senior IFA people at the meeting to desist from doing so. How do they get away with this. Either the farming community wakes up to the IFA very soon or they will be wiped out. Normally he who pays the piper plays the tune. In the case of the IFA they only play the tune of the rich farmer. If you wish for this to change then fill out the form and send to the IFA. Time to boycott those who seek to destroy you.

adne · 26-03-2014 04:36PM

Round Bale wrote: »

Had 10 nice cont x heifers at mart last week. 11 / 12 months old. Average weight 345kgs. Average price €987. Didn't sell.
Would have averaged €770 / €780 off the cow last Oct.
I figure cost me €180 to keep Oct to March.
Current price not paying the guy overwintering in the first winter.
Thinking now of grassing them until August. Maybe sell then, or try finish off grass and concentrates by Christmas. Maybe that's another way to lose even more money!!

Thats a great price, You could not expect much more the way beef price is unless they were shipping type animals.
Marts i've been to good heifers around that weight selling at about 2.35 a kilo.

What mart was that in?

Muckit · 26-03-2014 07:26PM

Round Bale wrote: »

Jeez, go away, both youself and Pudsey:o If the OH, sees the mess I made of selling the cattle, she will take the cards off me:eek:

I'll be reporting back here next Xmas, about the wad of cash I made by keeping the heifers:D You'll both see then:P

Now that reminds me, I need to order more fertilizer, to keep them chewing

What were you expecting to get for them? Was it worth taking the day off work?

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