Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 mod warning post #5144

extra gravy · 25-03-2014 03:33PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

disagreed. Most and i say MOST of the reasons why we failed for 10 years is all done to wenger. MUST I COPY and paste 100 reasons why its wengers fault?

Not one of the reasons is due to money

So if Wenger had a billion to spend on players like City had he still wouldn't have won anything because he's just an average manager anyway and money isn't important?

gosplan · 25-03-2014 03:33PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

disagreed. Most and i say MOST of the reasons why we failed for 10 years is all done to wenger. MUST I COPY and paste 100 reasons why its wengers fault?

Not one of the reasons is due to money

So you think that Wenger should have been able to go toe to toe with Chelsea when they were spending 100 million a year more?

Marty McFly · 25-03-2014 03:34PM

dinorebel wrote: »

The good thing is that Swansea are a kind of an Arsenal Lite it's the strong and powerful teams we struggle with.

Hopefully your right but much like a lot of fans I'm sure a lot of the players confidence took a hiding the weekend. This will be a huge test of character.

I'm not expecting them to be blistering but if they can grind out a result and show some grith ill be happy to take 3 points.

wawaman · 25-03-2014 03:35PM

dinorebel wrote: »

The good thing is that Swansea are a kind of an Arsenal Lite it's the strong and powerful teams we struggle with.

Dont forget they beat us at home last season tho.

ronjo · 25-03-2014 03:36PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

which post is that?

ronjo wrote: »

Arsenals points totals in the last 3 seasons are

10/11 68
11/12 70
12/13 73

Despite having our arses handed to us a few times this season we are well on the way to improving our tally for the THIRD year in a row.
We also have a great chance of winning the FA Cup for the first time in 9 years.

Is this not progress? What say you naysayers?

This one... sorry for the repost everyone else.

ronjo · 25-03-2014 03:37PM

wawaman wrote: »

Dont forget they beat us at home last season tho.

That was all down to Michu.............. and poor Carl falling over himself..

jester77 · 25-03-2014 03:42PM

Raf32 wrote: »

Loyalty is his biggest fault, otherwise he would be clocking up the trophies elsewhere.

He is not your typical manager, actually I don't think there ever was or ever will be another manager like him. It is not just about football and trophies, it is about the club as a whole. The board would have told him of their redevelopment plans and he was involved from the very start, involved in every part of it. He knew what he was taking on, he knew there was a 10 year plan, he knew there would be sacrifices and limited funds but he also knew and believed in what he and the people around him were capable of.

The only thing he didn't account for was massive money pushed into clubs like Chelsea and later City.

And he has pulled it off. Wait and see how Spurs and Pool handle their redevelopments. Unless they get serious financial backing they will not come close to pulling off what Wenger has done.

Now that 10 years is done we can move on and start pushing for the title. It is not going to happen over night in but we are already making progress compared to the last few years. Wenger deserves another few years to see where he can now take us. And he will win us the title in the next few years, that I believe.

greendom · 25-03-2014 03:42PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

disagreed. Most and i say MOST of the reasons why we failed for 10 years is all done to wenger. MUST I COPY and paste 100 reasons why its wengers fault?

Not one of the reasons is due to money

This post has jumped the shark !

jonneymendoza · 25-03-2014 03:52PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

Jonney give it a rest will ya, you were talking about how were all adults etc in here yet your coming across like a two year old stamping his feet having a hissy fit in most your posts.

Not addressing peoples posts or reasons as to what our issues have been just a ranty post followed by a ranty post without any real points being made it makes for hard reading.

how can i address everyones posts when someone here posts a new post every 2mins LOL.

i do not sit infront of the computer all day mate

gosplan · 25-03-2014 03:56PM

I think it's fairly simple...

1: Wenger has done amazing things at Arsenal that pretty much no manager has ever done. Klopp, Rodgers are doing fantastic work but will they put Dortmund and Liverpool on a par with Munich and Man U?

2: If you were an oil sheik buying a club tomorrow and bankrolling teams, then Jose would be a far better manager.

In terms of winning games and titles, Wenger has clear faults. However he's improved the club hugely in terms of solidity and results in the last 12 months. He has one clear problem now: how to take on the big teams. I think he deserves the chance to build on this and will continue to support him while you can see clear progress year on year.

jonneymendoza · 25-03-2014 03:59PM

extra gravy wrote: »

So if Wenger had a billion to spend on players like City had he still wouldn't have won anything because he's just an average manager anyway and money isn't important?

yup. You go on as if arsenal are complete broke when we have not been. we are the 3rd or 4th highest paying in wages.

we spend money and have money, its wenger that chooses not to spend it. 50m and suarez would have been ours, another 35m and Higuan would have been ours too. but not wenger the tight guy couldnt afford to spend an extra 10m for suarez and 5m for higuan.

gosplan wrote: »

So you think that Wenger should have been able to go toe to toe with Chelsea when they were spending 100 million a year more?

Yup. Liverpool are doing just fine going toe to toe with them and wont lose 6:0 i guarantee you that now

ronjo wrote: »

This one... sorry for the repost everyone else.

Thats minor progress. have we progressed far in the CL? FA CUP? league positions over the past 10 years(minus the CL final appearance which was 9-8 years ago i believe)?

here is progress. finish a higher league position, staying in the CL further then the 2nd round and staying longer in the FA CUP(About the only progress guaranteed this season) Not getting an extra 2-3 points lol

Marty McFly · 25-03-2014 04:01PM

gosplan wrote: »

In terms of winning games and titles, Wenger has clear faults. However he's improved the club hugely in the last 12 months. He has one clear problem now: how to take on the big teams. I think he deserves the chance to build on this and will continue to support him while you can see clear progress year on year.

This I was often critical of Wenger over the years and there are still faults there clear as day. But once I see progress I am happy and this year we have progressed.

If we can progress again next year improve our form against our rivals, strengthen the weak parts of the team and show obvious attempts to improve our injury record I'll be happy.

Rome wasn't built in a day and not every club can be Man City or Chelsea soulless clubs throwing money around as a fun toy for some rich playboy.

ronjo · 25-03-2014 04:04PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Thats minor progress. have we progressed far in the CL? FA CUP? league positions over the past 10 years(minus the CL final appearance which was 9-8 years ago i believe)?

here is progress. finish a higher league position, staying in the CL further then the 2nd round and staying longer in the FA CUP(About the only progress guaranteed this season) Not getting an extra 2-3 points lol

So its not progress but minor progress...

You sound like Gilesy......"Hes a good player, but not a great player Bill"
Must be read in Giles accent! :pac:

extra gravy · 25-03-2014 04:15PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Yup. Liverpool are doing just fine going toe to toe with them and wont lose 6:0 i guarantee you that now

Liverpool's finishing positions the last 4 seasons have been 7th, 8th, 6th and 7th. Toe to toe? :pac:

wawaman · 25-03-2014 04:16PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

Rome wasn't built in a day and not every club can be Man City or Chelsea soulless clubs throwing money around as a fun toy for some rich playboy.

Why should we have to settle for incremental progess though when Liverpool, who finished 7th last season can make a big improvement this season when they are coached right and have a proper goalscorer

Alfred Borden · 25-03-2014 04:19PM

wawaman wrote: »

Why should we have to settle for incremental progess though when Liverpool, who finished 7th last season can make a big improvement this season when they are coached right and have a proper goalscorer

You know they are only 3 points ahead of us and went out of the cups straight away. They will struggle with having Europe next year imo.

wawaman · 25-03-2014 04:20PM

Raf32 wrote: »

You know they are only 3 points ahead of us and went out of the cups straight away. They will struggle with having Europe next year imo.

I know that but my point is they have made a big improvement this season

gosplan · 25-03-2014 04:20PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

yup. You go on as if arsenal are complete broke when we have not been. we are the 3rd or 4th highest paying in wages.

we spend money and have money, its wenger that chooses not to spend it. 50m and suarez would have been ours, another 35m and Higuan would have been ours too. but not wenger the tight guy couldnt afford to spend an extra 10m for suarez and 5m for higuan.

Yup. Liverpool are doing just fine going toe to toe with them and wont lose 6:0 i guarantee you that now

Thats minor progress. have we progressed far in the CL? FA CUP? league positions over the past 10 years(minus the CL final appearance which was 9-8 years ago i believe)?

here is progress. finish a higher league position, staying in the CL further then the 2nd round and staying longer in the FA CUP(About the only progress guaranteed this season) Not getting an extra 2-3 points lol

So just to confirm Jonney,

You're saying yes, if Wenger spent a billion in a Man City style splurge, he still would be trophyless for the last few years.

And you're also saying yes, Wenger should have been matching City's results when they went on their spending spree.

Alfred Borden · 25-03-2014 04:21PM

wawaman wrote: »

I know that but my point is they have made a big improvement this season

easy to make an improvement when your 7th though. We are on the cusp of the big jump and think we will make it this summer.

jester77 · 25-03-2014 04:22PM

wawaman wrote: »

Why should we have to settle for incremental progess though when Liverpool, who finished 7th last season can make a big improvement this season when they are coached right and have a proper goalscorer

Liverpool are only playing 1 game a week, and have no high energy CL games and trips away to deal with. They even had a full 2 weeks rest before the Utd game.

Mr Blobby · 25-03-2014 04:31PM

Going by this: https://twitter.com/lequipe/status/448458133078552576

Griezmann has agreed terms with PSG.

Marty McFly · 25-03-2014 04:32PM

wawaman wrote: »

I know that but my point is they have made a big improvement this season

So have we how far behind the league leaders were we last year? did we make it to the semis of the F.A Cup? A cup this year in which we knocked Liverpool out of.

There big improvement is to get them were we are, making the next step up is the hardest of all.

There strikeforce is there there strongest point and next year it could be ours to depending on who we bring in, again if we do we will be making progress.

I respect Liverpool as a club they do things the right way. Shame I don't feel the same way about a lot of there fans :pac:.

25-03-2014 04:53PM

gosplan wrote: »

1: Wenger has done amazing things at Arsenal that pretty much no manager has ever done. Klopp, Rodgers are doing fantastic work but will they put Dortmund and Liverpool on a par with Munich and Man U?

Are you trying to imply that Wenger has put Arsenal on a par with Munich and United?

L'prof · 25-03-2014 04:59PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Are you trying to imply that Wenger has put Arsenal on a par with Munich and United?

I'm sure he's saying that he consistently competed with United for trophies for 9/10 years before the move to the new stadium.

ronjo · 25-03-2014 05:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you trying to imply that Wenger has put Arsenal on a par with Munich and United?

Are you crazy????

We are miles ahead of United.

Look at the table!!!

25-03-2014 05:12PM

L'prof wrote: »

I'm sure he's saying that he consistently competed with United for trophies for 9/10 years before the move to the new stadium.

Which 9/10 years were they?

Mickeroo · 25-03-2014 05:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Which 9/10 years were they?

96 - 06?

tayto lover · 25-03-2014 05:32PM

Are we on t.v. tonight anyone?

dvemail · 25-03-2014 05:35PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Are we on t.v. tonight anyone?

Don't think so. Will be a stream job i reckon.

Mickeroo · 25-03-2014 05:36PM

Manchester Derby is on too so I doubt we're on anywhere.

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