Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 mod warning post #5144

Bridge93 · 23-03-2014 04:10PM

I'm curious as to what people think went wrong around 04/05. How did Wenger or whoever it was over the next few years manage to take apart one of the greatest club teams seen in England to the point where they've won nothing for 9 years?

you have to wonder if he's a bit of a victim of circumstance, He was the unlucky manager who was in charge when the Emirates was built meaning less money being pumped into the team and more into the debt owed (obviously financially the emirates is a positive long term.) Having said that there has been money available recently and he hasn't spent it even though it appears clear to go anywhere in football these days you must spend big.
To those saying he's past it, tactically inept or whatever, he doesn't have to prove himself to anyone. Everyone gets it wrong at times and the players not being good enough doesn't help. Mind you he is getting it wrong increasingly often against rivals.

Also I wonder what happened to Podolski. the guy was a 100 cap German international before arriving and since has never been able to cement a place in a no more than decent European club side. Maybe Germany just had a vacancy up front bit like Spain recently because he never really flourished at a big club only Cologne.

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 04:13PM

purplepanda wrote: »

10 years ago Wenger would have been in the running for the top European club managers jobs, and enquiries obviously would have been made to attract him.

I don't see evidence of this happening over the last few years, Wenger's obvious reluctance to spend big money in the transfer market would also be a factor & his comments on financial doping / fair play wouldn't endear him to an oligarch / sheikh owner.

Top European managers nowadays have to spend big in the transfer market, Wenger would not suddenly change overnight. Football has changed & Wenger has failed to adapt to the new reality.

PSG were mad after him last summer in fairness. Its not his reluctance to spend thats the problem. Its the board, he over analyses every player before he spends on them because we dont have the luxury of throwing money at players and if they dont work out forget about them. We arent a City or a Chelsea. Thats why he dithers over every deal and i know we all get annoyed with him and throw names around but 90% of the names we throw around have all flopped. Given no constraints like he wouldnt have at PSG or Barca, he would reestablish himself as the best manager in football imo.

gnfnrhead · 23-03-2014 04:18PM

purplepanda wrote: »

10 years ago Wenger would have been in the running for the top European club managers jobs, and enquiries obviously would have been made to attract him.

I don't see evidence of this happening over the last few years, Wenger's obvious reluctance to spend big money in the transfer market would also be a factor & his comments on financial doping / fair play wouldn't endear him to an oligarch / sheikh owner.

Top European managers nowadays have to spend big in the transfer market, Wenger would not suddenly change overnight. Football has changed & Wenger has failed to adapt to the new reality.

Perhaps they know he wouldnt be looking to leave so felt it was pointless?

Bridge93 wrote: »

I'm curious as to what people think went wrong around 04/05. How did Wenger or whoever it was over the next few years manage to take apart one of the greatest club teams seen in England to the point where they've won nothing for 9 years?

Basically, Chelsea changed the game after we committed to the stadium.

We made the move to the Emirates, putting us under huge financial pressure. At the time, we would have been still able to compete. Then Chelsea and later City got huge financial backing meaning the bar had been raised but we werent able to make the step up due to the stadium debt. Last summer was really the first time we could and we ended up having our best title challenge in many years. Had Chelsea and City not gotten the financial backing they did, we would have been there or thereabouts every year.

Mr.Micro · 23-03-2014 04:21PM

Raf32 wrote: »

If I was wenger and i saw all these ungrateful fans i would take the barca job this summer or even psg, go dominate over there and win the champions league a couple of times because he definitely would.

In fairness to the fans....they are disappointed. We were looking so good this year, until the injuries etc. we go from a draw in the last game with Chelsea to a humiliating 6-0 drubbing. Tactics were to blame here I a afraid. A draw would have been a good result with Chelsea.

I think Wenger is a great manager but is out of date to many. I have confidence in him still, but if all we want is a safe pair of hands that is fine, but spending on enough quality players is always going yo be an issue.

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 04:26PM

would wanna keep an eye of spurs and everton now

purplepanda · 23-03-2014 04:29PM

Raf32 wrote: »

PSG were mad after him last summer in fairness. Its not his reluctance to spend thats the problem. Its the board, he over analyses every player before he spends on them because we dont have the luxury of throwing money at players and if they dont work out forget about them. We arent a City or a Chelsea. Thats why he dithers over every deal and i know we all get annoyed with him and throw names around but 90% of the names we throw around have all flopped. Given no constraints like he wouldnt have at PSG or Barca, he would reestablish himself as the best manager in football imo.

It's the board or it's Wenger, both blaming each other with the constant feed of contrasting media stories, whilst the fans are paying through the nose for a new stadium that was promised to compete with Europe's elite.

As for the financial issue, we have 2 of the richest men in the world as major shareholders, plus former major shareholders & owners have made hundreds
of millions from share dealings. :rolleyes:

Yet the club is broke :eek:

Wenger & the board is a massive confidence trick, they use each other to deflect from their own personal failings. :mad:

jonneymendoza · 23-03-2014 04:31PM

Raf32 wrote: »

If I was wenger and i saw all these ungrateful fans i would take the barca job this summer or even psg, go dominate over there and win the champions league a couple of times because he definitely would.

ungrateful?

So he had a great season with arsenal 10 years ago and now it seems he is god and we cannot question the almighty god no matter how many poor decisions he does on and off the pitch?

redicolous.

I bet you would still post the above 10 years later when we go 20 years with the same old crap from him

Bridge93 · 23-03-2014 04:34PM

I'd wait and see how the FA cup goes. If Arsenal manage to f**ck up the FA cup given the teams still in it then I think there'd be reason to move on. That would be reminiscent of the League Cup loss to Birmingham.

omega man · 23-03-2014 04:37PM

Raf32 wrote: »

would wanna keep an eye of spurs and everton now

Absolutely. Swansea is our next "must win" game but sadly not for our title aspirations, for top 4 security.

WoollyRedHat · 23-03-2014 04:38PM

Is it fair to say that the BFG/ Kos parternship isn't ideal for games like Liverpool/Chelsea etc. and maybe Verm should partner Kos for Sat?

Was it Kos and Verm that were the older partnership before he got dropped or was it him and Mert?

Also reading on another Arsenal forum and someone suggested that getting in a sports psychologist might be of help, what would people think about this?

One things for sure, these drubbings have to stop and we have to go back to the drawing board, the proximity of the Liverpool and Chelsea heavy defeats must be seriously hurting morale.

Hopefully a lot of inward thinking and analysis is done to ensure such things don't happen again. Hopefully as well we do a serious and outside party review on what is causing so many injuries and recurring ones that allow Arsenal to be top of the injury table for the last few seasonswhich seriously hampers continuity and cohesion within the squad.

If we still win the FA Cup, and get top four, I think fans won't be so glum come the end. Also people handing Pool/City and Chelsea straight victories bar the games they have left against each other are being quite optimistic, considering especially Chelsea and City's slip ups against mid to lower table teams, which gave us wider berth and gave us some glimmer of hope when we ourselves had slipped up.

Calling Mourinho a tactical genius who can do no wrong is also misguided when they fall to the likes of Villa and drop points against West Ham who shut them out.

All we can do is focus on where we went wrong and pick ourselves up and try again. Upwards and onwards. If we win the cup, the psychological boost it will give us will be massive.

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 04:38PM

I am done trying to reason now. We each all have our own opinions and i respect that but please dont knock the great man, he is the most important figure at this club since Chapman.

enfant terrible · 23-03-2014 04:46PM

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Last summer was really the first time we could and we ended up having our best title challenge in many years. Had Chelsea and City not gotten the financial backing they did, we would have been there or thereabouts every year.

Yes its hard to criticise Wenger greatly up until last summer.

Everyone here and elsewhere knew we needed a top striker and a physical presence in midfield.

To be honest he and the board made a mess of it.

Suarzez or Higuain, one had to come and they blew it.

Chelsea too needed a striker, they had Torrez and Ba and added Eto.

We had Giroud and Bendtner and added Sanogo ridiculous.

For a club of Arsenal's stature to have Giroud, Sanogo and Bendtner leading the line is shocking.

We are seven points off top with that strike force, what could a Higuain have done for our season and you have to blame Wenger for that.

You have to ask yourself would any other top manager start a season hoping to challenge for the title with those guys up front.

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 04:49PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Yes its hard to criticise Wenger greatly up until last summer.

Everyone here and elsewhere knew we needed a top striker and a physical presence in midfield.

To be honest he and the board made a mess of it.

Suarzez or Higuain, one had to come and they blew it.

Chelsea too needed a striker, they had Torrez and Ba and added Eto.

We had Giroud and Bendtner and added Sanogo ridiculous.

For a club of Arsenal's stature to have Giroud, Sanogo and Bendtner leading the line is shocking.

We are seven points off top with that strike force, what could a Higuain have done for our season and you have to blame Wenger for that.

You have to ask yourself would any other top manager start a season hoping to challenge for the title with those guys up front.

Agreed about the strikers. Disgraceful. Higuain really would have been perfect.

jonneymendoza · 23-03-2014 04:50PM

Bridge93 wrote: »

I'd wait and see how the FA cup goes. If Arsenal manage to f**ck up the FA cup given the teams still in it then I think there'd be reason to move on. That would be reminiscent of the League Cup loss to Birmingham.

i bet u my car that the same people defending wenger will still back him even if we fail to win the fa cup. another 10 years of the same and some fans will be happy

Mr Blobby · 23-03-2014 04:51PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Yes its hard to criticise Wenger greatly up until last summer.

Everyone here and elsewhere knew we needed a top striker and a physical presence in midfield.

To be honest he and the board made a mess of it.

Suarzez or Higuain, one had to come and they blew it.

Chelsea too needed a striker, they had Torrez and Ba and added Eto.

We had Giroud and Bendtner and added Sanogo ridiculous.

For a club of Arsenal's stature to have Giroud, Sanogo and Bendtner leading the line is shocking.

We are seven points off top with that strike force, what could a Higuain have done for our season and you have to blame Wenger for that.

You have to ask yourself would any other top manager start a season hoping to challenge for the title with those guys up front.

Every team has weaknesses that need to be strengthened .
Liverpool need a good holding mid and a better centre back but we don't hear people calling out Rodgers because he didn't sign one.

Same with Mourinho not buying a better striker.. Eto,Ba and Torres are not nearly good enough to lead the line for Chelsea.

Just seems like people are venting and are using Wenger as their target.

Alfred Borden · 23-03-2014 04:52PM

Akpom recalled. might get a chance tuesday

wandatowell · 23-03-2014 04:53PM

Why is Arsene cancelling press conferences?

Interesting to see the fans reaction at the next home game

Sergio · 23-03-2014 04:56PM

Disgusted as everyone else is after yesterday's shambles and all you hear from wenger is we have to focus and respond against Swansea on Tuesday night!
I'm fed up of the s***t talk to be honest.Weve definitely improved overall this season but anyone can see we have big problems facing the bigger teams no heart no fight at all in the current squad part from one or two players.nobody can argue with me because the record speaks for itself 6-3 away to city 5-1 away to Liverpool and 6-0 yesterday against Chelsea not to mention the 8-2 hammering at old trafford a few seasons ago.

Mickeroo · 23-03-2014 04:57PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

i bet u my car that the same people defending wenger will still back him even if we fail to win the fa cup. another 10 years of the same and some fans will be happy

What will you complain about if we win it though?

enfant terrible · 23-03-2014 04:59PM

Mr Blobby wrote: »

Every team has weaknesses that need to be strengthened .
Liverpool need a good holding and a better centre back but we don't hear people calling out Rodgers because he didn't sign one.

Same with Mourinho not buying a better striker.. Eto,Ba and Torres are not nearly good enough to lead the line for Chelsea.

Just seems like people are venting and are using Wenger as their target.

Eto is good enough he scored in the last 16 of champions league on Tuesday and scored the first crucial goal against Arsenal yesterday.

He is a big game player still even if he's not as good as he used to be and could very likely lead Chelsea to the title this year.

Mourinho doesn't have great strikers but they are good enough to win the league.

Wenger's are no where near good enough to win the league.

No one is calling Rogers out because no one thought they would be challenging with the resources he's got.

Sergio · 23-03-2014 05:01PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

What will you complain about if we win it though?

It will be fantastic to win it and get some silverware back into the trophy cabinet but the issue still remains that we crumble under pressure from the top teams so our mentality has to be questioned and I blame the manager for this.

Mickeroo · 23-03-2014 05:04PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

No one is calling Rogers out because no one thought they would be challenging with the resources he's got.

Nobody expected Arsenal to challenge either until they had the audacity to sit on top of the table for most of the season to be fair. Which makes all the condemnation seem a bit silly to me.

If we never looked like challenging but coasted to 3rd or 4th plenty folks would be delighted that we didn't make hard work of it like the last few seasons and see it as a platform to build on but because we punched above our weight our current position in the league is seen as a failure and the club are going downhill as a result.

greendom · 23-03-2014 05:06PM

Raf32 wrote: »

Agreed about the strikers. Disgraceful. Higuain really would have been perfect.

And Higuain would have been a Gooner had it not been for Suarez.

enfant terrible · 23-03-2014 05:08PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Nobody expected Arsenal to challenge either until they had the audacity to sit on top of the table for most of the season to be fair. Which makes all the condemnation seem a bit silly to me.

If we never looked like challenging but coasted to 3rd or 4th plenty folks would be delighted that we didn't make hard work of it like the last few seasons and see it as a platform to build on but because we punched above our weight our current position in the league is seen as a failure and the club are going downhill as a result.

I agree Arsenal performed better than most expected but that makes the failure to buy a striker even more depressing.

We have the best no 10 in the world passing it to Giroud,Sanogo and Bendtner.

Do you not agree he and the board messed up the summer window?

tayto lover · 23-03-2014 05:11PM

Soups123 wrote: »

A good fcukin rollicking hopefully and a lot of thinking

Too late with that.
It should have been done after the City match.
Disgraceful yesterday and some of them not fit to play for this great club.

.jacksparrow. · 23-03-2014 05:12PM

greendom wrote: »

And Higuain would have been a Gooner had it not been for Suarez.

Some people at the time said higuan wasn't worth the extra few bob and Wenger was right not to spend the money.

Absolutely ridiculous talk.

brianregan09 · 23-03-2014 05:14PM

We simply have to buy a top name centre forward this season and at the back we still major investment the likes of gibbs,monreal ,sagna are super 95% of the time but when we come up against teams that actually atttack us they can't cope

gnfnrhead · 23-03-2014 05:14PM

I think people are underestimating how big of a loss Walcott was. He was one of our best players last season but has had two big injuries this season, which has really limited his appearances. Walcott, Giroud and Özil would have been a lethal combination. Add in Ramsey and it is easy to see why we struggled so much in recent months.

enfant terrible · 23-03-2014 05:15PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Some people at the time said higuan wasn't worth the extra few bob and Wenger was right not to spend the money.

Absolutely ridiculous talk.

Was a joke in for Higuain, too dear, switch to Suarez, won't sell, sign Ozil, no striker.

Could they have tried Suarez in June and if no go, get Higuain or anyone to give us a chance at the title.

Mickeroo · 23-03-2014 05:21PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

I agree Arsenal performed better than most expected but that makes the failure to buy a striker even more depressing.

We have the best no 10 in the world passing it to Giroud,Sanogo and Bendtner.

Do you not agree he and the board messed up the summer window?

Of course, it was a shambles though I think they redeemed themselves to an extent at the end by signing Ozil. Not strengthening in January was also a big mistake but I think losing Walcott and Ramsey for most of the season have more to do with our failure in the end.

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