Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

LiamoSail · 18-03-2014 03:16PM

bobmalooka wrote: »

That decision wouldn't have been made by setanta I'd imagine

It wouldn't be up to them after their liquidation event

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 18-03-2014 03:16PM

To be honest I am not going down this route again. I am certainly not discussing whether we are the same club or not. As for what we are called we have only one name. So thats not up for debate either by me

Jelle1880 · 18-03-2014 03:52PM

PauloMN wrote: »

It'll be all the better seeing United hump yiz there anyway. :pac:

They probably will, but then again maybe we will do a Morton and upset the odds

PauloMN · 18-03-2014 04:09PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

They probably will, but then again maybe we will do a Morton and upset the odds

Indeed, it's nice to see the wee clubs do well from time to time!

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 18-03-2014 06:15PM

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish...wsCategoryID=1

Tuesday, 18 March 2014

In response to recent speculation and comments made by Dundee United officials, the Scottish FA is compelled to clarify the club’s ticketing allocation for the forthcoming William Hill Scottish Cup semi-final between Rangers and Dundee United at Ibrox.

At the pre-operations meeting held on Tuesday, 11th March, Dundee United were made an initial offering of 11,063 tickets, allocated in the entirety of the Broomloan Road Stand, the Govan West corner and a section of the Govan Stand Front and Rear.

The number was offered on the basis of Dundee United’s ticket sales for recent semi-finals. For last year’s semi-final against Celtic at Hampden Park, with a 12.45pm kick-off, Dundee United received an allocation of 10,686 tickets and sold 6783.

For the 2010 semi-final against Raith Rovers at Hampden Park, with a 3pm kick-off, Dundee United were allocated 11,806 tickets and sold 9969.

The Dundee United official present stated that in order to ensure a maximum attendance, in the first instance the club would not require the additional allocation in the Govan West corner, Front and Rear and, instead, would prefer the Broomloan Road stand, capacity 8012.

He was invited to revert to the club for confirmation but declined. Notwithstanding the present allocation of 8012 – as requested by the club – Dundee United retain first option on the Govan West corner, and a section of the Front and Rear, an additional 3051 seats.

Should the club a) request that additional allocation and b) sell it, then there remains the opportunity to extend the allocation subject to agreement between the clubs and the relevant police and stewarding advice.

If that doesn't show Thompson up as an idiot nothing will

A Dub in Glasgo · 18-03-2014 09:32PM

The battle of the statements

CLUB STATEMENT 18 March 2014
In response to the Scottish FA statement regarding ticketing information for the upcoming William Hill Scottish Cup semi final, Dundee United suggests there appears to be some confusion in this incomplete account, which certainly does not reflect the position of the Club.

The Scottish FA informed that the initial allocation of the Govan West corner was made on the basis that only the lower section of the Broomloan Road Stand would be allocated. Our official requested to include the whole of the Broomloan Road Stand in the initial allocation, together with the additional option of the Govan West corner, plus further extra sections of the Govan Stand as necessary. This remains our position and we are happy to reiterate it now.

Our position on the need for a neutral venue remains the same also. We still hope that the Scottish FA will revisit this as there is still time to do so. However, should that not be the case, we urge as many United supporters as possible to attend the tie and get behind the team and counter the lack of neutrality which, amongst other things, exaggerates any ticketing imbalance. This imbalance would not be such a factor at a genuinely neutral venue.

Lennonist · 19-03-2014 10:25AM

Conflicting statements there. Thompson is obviously trying to get Dundee United fans to buy up tickets and bring as large a support as possible. Nothing wrong with, nothing idiotic about it all.

Jelle1880 · 19-03-2014 10:49AM

He's trying to get the stadium changed, the part about buying up tickets is only when it doesn't happen (which it won't).

If they wanted it to be changed they should have asked it in october.

Do you think there would be the same outcry if Celtic would have made it to the final ?

RoryMac · 19-03-2014 10:52AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

He's trying to get the stadium changed, the part about buying up tickets is only when it doesn't happen (which it won't).

If they wanted it to be changed they should have asked it in october.

Do you think there would be the same outcry if Celtic would have made it to the final ?

Yes

Dempsey · 19-03-2014 11:00AM

I dont think Dutd would have just asked for an 8k allocation when they have sold more on occasion previously. One section with first option on other sections earmarked sounds right. Obviously a mix up in interpretations.

The sfa having no contingency for the semi finals is not surprising. It should have been highlighted before now but foresight isnt scottish footballs strongest suit. Time to get on with it and use common sense in the time they do have leading up to it.

Its laughable though for daly to say playing at your home venue offers no advantage.

Lennonist · 19-03-2014 11:31AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

He's trying to get the stadium changed, the part about buying up tickets is only when it doesn't happen (which it won't).

If they wanted it to be changed they should have asked it in october.

Do you think there would be the same outcry if Celtic would have made it to the final ?

Yeah that's what I said, Thompson knows they wont change the venue at this juncture, but making an issue of it might help to further encourage Dundee United fans to come out and buy as many tickets as possible. He'd probably do the same if they were playing Celtic at Parkhead in a semi or Final. Probably extra frustrating for him that so soon after Rangers died, his team will play the new Rangers in an away tie in the Semi Final. Dundee United should win anyway, all this talk is about trying to get United fans to turn up in large numbers.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 19-03-2014 12:23PM

Tannadice chief’s blast at SFA as semi-final row rumbles on

DUNDEE UNITED chairman Stephen Thompson has branded the SFA dictators and accused them of being economical with
the truth in their Scottish Cup ticket row with Rangers.

hompson was left furious when Hampden chiefs claimed United not only turned down the offer of 11,063 Ibrox seats
at a meeting last week, but also said they would only need the Broomloan Stand that houses just over 8,000 fans.

Thompson disputes that version of events and insists his club should be offered half of the 51,082 capacity for
the semi-final on Saturday, April 12.

He said: “We are not scared of going to Ibrox because we beat them in the cup there two years ago.

“It is a point of principle because of how we are being dealt with by the SFA. We are being dictated to.

“There is no dialogue and we are basically being told this is what is happening.

“A cup semi-final should be as neutral as possible. Playing Rangers at Ibrox Stadium is not neutral.

“This is about principles of neutrality and sporting integrity.

“Whether we sell 20,000 or 10,000 is not the point. This game should be getting played at a neutral venue and it is not.

“We should be entitled to the same allocation as Rangers and if we don’t sell our tickets then by all means hand them
over to the opposition.

“I don’t think we will sell more than 13,000 or 14,000 tickets because there are a lot of people who don’t want to go to
Ibrox or take their kids there.

“But in the first instance we should be treated equally, and we are not. I still don’t know what our allocation for the semi-final is.”

The SFA sparked the war of words when they issued a statement on the issue last night.

It read: “At the pre-operations meeting held on March 11, Dundee United were made an initial offering of 11,063 tickets,
allocated in the entirety of the Broomloan Road Stand, the Govan West corner and a section of the Govan Stand Front and Rear.

“The Dundee United official present stated that in order to ensure a maximum attendance, in the first instance the club
would not require the additional allocation in the Govan West corner, front and rear and, instead, would prefer the Broomloan Road stand, capacity 8,012.”

Thompson says the SFA statement misrepresented the situation.

He added: “The bit where they said we would only sell 8,000 tickets is not right and that is them being economical with the truth.

“They wanted us to sell different sections of the ground together and we told them we would sell the Broomloan Stand first
because that was 8,000 and we would go on to the next section after that.

“We did not say we will take just an 8,000 allocation, so they are being very economical with the truth.

“I am also very unhappy with the tone of the press release to one of their member clubs, who are producing quite a number of players for their national teams.”

The bits in bold say a lot for me the man seems intent in creating tension

Dempsey · 19-03-2014 12:52PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

The bits in bold say a lot for me the man seems intent in creating tension

The last paragraph relates to the fact that dutd dont recieve the elite level youth development funding despite producing alot of internationals.

Hes entitled to take a swipe at them imo

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 19-03-2014 01:00PM

Dempsey wrote: »

The last paragraph relates to the fact that dutd dont recieve the elite level youth development funding despite producing alot of internationals.

Hes entitled to take a swipe at them imo

I really don't see it as relevant to whats going on as far as tickets and a neutral ground. I have no problem with the fact he wants this but I do question why he didn't bring up this when the arrangements were announced. He should have questioned what would happen if we got to a semi final then not now

Dempsey · 19-03-2014 01:10PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I really don't see it as relevant to whats going on as far as tickets and a neutral ground. I have no problem with the fact he wants this but I do question why he didn't bring up this when the arrangements were announced. He should have questioned what would happen if we got to a semi final then not now

The point he's making is that the governing bodies serve the clubs interests and should be facilitating them and not the other way around as it is happening.

Having a moan back when your not in the semis or near them would have been ridiculed. Despite the extenuating circumstances, this is not a neutral venue and violates the rules of the competition. I dont see the sfa changing it because of potential revenue. Once again, money is the driving force rather than the integrity of the competition.

Jelle1880 · 19-03-2014 01:20PM

It's not actually in the rules that these games have to be at neutral venues.

12. Semi-Final and Final Ties
The Semi-Final and Final Ties shall be under the direct control of the Board who shall make all of the arrangements therefor.

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/SFAPublications/SFAHandbook/12%20CupCompRules.pdf

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 19-03-2014 01:26PM

Dempsey wrote: »

The point he's making is that the governing bodies serve the clubs interests and should be facilitating them and not the other way around as it is happening.

Having a moan back when your not in the semis or near them would have been ridiculed. Despite the extenuating circumstances, this is not a neutral venue and violates the rules of the competition. I dont see the sfa changing it because of potential revenue. Once again, money is the driving force rather than the integrity of the competition.

Are you telling me he couldn't have voiced concerns over what would happen in the event of us reaching a semi or Celtic reaching the final of course he could and it would have been the proper time to do it IMO

A Dub in Glasgo · 19-03-2014 01:34PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

If they wanted it to be changed they should have asked it in october.

Do you think there would be the same outcry if Celtic would have made it to the final ?

He did and yes

Dundee United chairman Stephen Thompson expressed surprise at the decision having been made so early, however. “I can understand why Celtic Park has been chosen, it is the biggest stadium in Scotland,” Thompson told The Scotsman. “But if Celtic get to the final it will be a huge advantage to them, and the same stands for Rangers at Ibrox if they get to the semi-final.

“I am just surprised at why the decision has to be made so much in advance. Major games are played at stadiums with just ten days’ notice. There is no reason why this has to happen. I understand why there has to be an alternative venue because Hampden Park is unavailable. But you would hope they could have tried to maintain the concept of neutrality"

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/latest/sfa-defends-early-decision-on-scottish-cup-venues-1-3164824 - article from October 2013

Jelle1880 · 19-03-2014 02:05PM

Yeah, I saw that earlier today, my bad.

He also said "We wanted to play the match at Celtic Park but that was flatly denied."
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26593123

I would think that Celtic Park would also give Rangers an advantage, due to the fact that it's even bigger and would allow more Rangers fans.

Dempsey · 19-03-2014 02:07PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Are you telling me he couldn't have voiced concerns over what would happen in the event of us reaching a semi or Celtic reaching the final of course he could and it would have been the proper time to do it IMO

He could have but who would have taken him seriously since his club wasnt a semi finalist.

The fact he has said as much before and not many remembered or cared says it all really.

TheBuilder · 19-03-2014 07:52PM

Dempsey would you have said it was unfair has Celtic reached either final? Did you think it was unfair that Rangers played Celtic in a semi final at Parkhead in 1998?

Thompson is embarrassing himself, he needs to have a look at his representative that asked for 8k tickets rather than moaning at the SFA. Dundee United took something like 6k to last seasons semi final with Celtic so why the hell is he asking for 25k when he knows he won't sell them.

As for Hartson saying we should give Dundee United the home dressing room, **** off John, we were drawn as the home team.

Dundee United are clear favourites for this game, they should get on with preparations instead of making daft excuses.

TheBuilder · 19-03-2014 07:53PM

William Hill and the other sponsors forced the early decisions anyway. Just shut up and get on with it.

Lennonist · 19-03-2014 08:01PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

William Hill and the other sponsors forced the early decisions anyway. Just shut up and get on with it.

I'm sure they will get on with it, but they may as well crank up a bit of interest for themselves in it while they are at it. They should batter The The Rangers going on all known form lately, but the home side could perform above themselves and United need to guard against complacency and be well up for the match.

bobmalooka · 19-03-2014 08:04PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Dempsey would you have said it was unfair has Celtic reached either final? Did you think it was unfair that Rangers played Celtic in a semi final at Parkhead in 1998?

Thompson is embarrassing himself, he needs to have a look at his representative that asked for 8k tickets rather than moaning at the SFA. Dundee United took something like 6k to last seasons semi final with Celtic so why the hell is he asking for 25k when he knows he won't sell them.

As for Hartson saying we should give Dundee United the home dressing room, **** off John, we were drawn as the home team.

Dundee United are clear favourites for this game, they should get on with preparations instead of making daft excuses.

When did he ask for 25k tickets?

A Dub in Glasgo · 19-03-2014 08:05PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Thompson is embarrassing himself, he needs to have a look at his representative that asked for 8k tickets rather than moaning at the SFA. Dundee United took something like 6k to last seasons semi final with Celtic so why the hell is he asking for 25k when he knows he won't sell them.

Did you even read the statement from DU?

Dempsey · 19-03-2014 08:15PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Dempsey would you have said it was unfair has Celtic reached either final? Did you think it was unfair that Rangers played Celtic in a semi final at Parkhead in 1998?

Thompson is embarrassing himself, he needs to have a look at his representative that asked for 8k tickets rather than moaning at the SFA. Dundee United took something like 6k to last seasons semi final with Celtic so why the hell is he asking for 25k when he knows he won't sell them.

As for Hartson saying we should give Dundee United the home dressing room, **** off John, we were drawn as the home team.

Dundee United are clear favourites for this game, they should get on with preparations instead of making daft excuses.

Yes, it is unfair when the venue is suppose to be NEUTRAL. Simple as that really. It doesn't matter who's playing. These people could easily rectify the situation but greed & one upmanship has taken over

He's entitled to try and sell his full allocation, not giving him it nor the first option on sections that should dutd because of previous years is ridiculous. Selling this game is easier than against Celtic because its more winnable for them. Didnt think id have to point that out

The bitterness towards Thompson is clouding something that should be straight forward and fair.

TheBuilder · 19-03-2014 08:23PM

Apologies, McNamara and others requested a 50/50 split.

Bitterness towards Thompson from Rangers fans is completely justified, and he doesn't help himself with imflammatory comments in statements, his father was such a respected man but his son blackens the name of the club.

So because this is a winnable game glory hunting fans should be rewarded? That's just ridiculous, if they can't support their team no matter what then they shouldn't just want to go to winnable games.

I know we'll get beat, I don't see any way we can beat McNamara's side, he has them playing very very well.

Lennonist, when you can make posts like a grown up like the other guys without silly things like 'the the rangers', I'll consider entering a debate with you.

Dempsey · 19-03-2014 08:32PM

Their motivation is irrelevant, they are entitled to it. Its suppose to be a neutral venue and should be organised as such especially if a proper neutral venue isnt available.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 19-03-2014 08:36PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Their motivation is irrelevant, they are entitled to it. Its suppose to be a neutral venue and should be organised as such especially if a proper neutral venue isnt available.

Did you even read jelles post stating that there is nothing in the rules stating it has to be a neutral venue. Thats the SFA rules again he should have complained when the venues were announced. He should have asked for clarification on what would happen if Rangers reached the semis or Celtic reached the final

Lennonist · 19-03-2014 08:37PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Apologies, McNamara and others requested a 50/50 split.

Bitterness towards Thompson from Rangers fans is completely justified, and he doesn't help himself with imflammatory comments in statements, his father was such a respected man but his son blackens the name of the club.

So because this is a winnable game glory hunting fans should be rewarded? That's just ridiculous, if they can't support their team no matter what then they shouldn't just want to go to winnable games.

I know we'll get beat, I don't see any way we can beat McNamara's side, he has them playing very very well.

Edit: it was summer 2012 when the name change happened:

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11788/7952714/rangers-owners-change-name

Lennonist, when you can make posts like a grown up like the other guys without silly things like 'the the rangers', I'll consider entering a debate with you.

Rangers changed the name of their club last summer to "The Rangers". Before liquidation they were often referred to as The Rangers anyway so that change makes room for the other "The" there. Rangers made the official name change, wonder why that was?

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11788/7952714/rangers-owners-change-name

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