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The D4 Media/ Posh Boys and Irish Rugby – Spoon feeding the masses

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    By bouncers foosthering in a heap you mean professional athletes playing professional sport ?

    I guess it is a bit of a niche market all right......

    No, I mean professional athletes who look like a load of bouncers playing a professional game with a frustrating amount of foosthering around. No flow, no grace, just a lot of grunting in the muck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,304 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Agricola wrote: »
    What's your point here? That by getting beaten by England in Twickenham by 3 points, the championship win is nullified. No great shakes and everyone should shut up about it?

    I asked a simple question that isn't that hard to answer.
    Gelio wrote: »
    Thats clearly a subjective question and no matter what team is mentioned you can just say 'No'.

    However for you to say championship wins are forgotten about is simply wrong. They are often mentioned and are in the record books forever.

    Nope, I'll not just say no, I could agree a championship was greater than that championship win, but obviously a Grand Slam ranks higher than a Championship.
    Incorrect.
    Moderator? You sound more like a troll
    OldRio wrote: »
    I honestly do not understand your point.
    But a lot about you

    Your 2 replies shows an inability to answer a basic question and throw slurs like troll and "a lot about you". If you can't answer a simple question, grand, no need for internet heroics.


    I'm sorry K-9 but this "golden generation" only winning one grand slam dismissal is simply nonsense mostly put forth by people with no interest in what's won or lost in rugby to begin with.

    Championships without grand slams are also not generally forgotten no more than grand slams are forgotten. And since the start of the 6 nations 14 years ago there's been 8 grand slams. 1 x Ireland, 1 x England (world cup winning team), 2 x France and 3 x Wales.

    Well it stands to sense that the 6 championships wins are less important.
    You cant compare two different sports either, its not a competition as far as I'm concerned so support and success of one is no indication of the failures of another.

    I never compared different sports, just different countries in the same 6 nation championship. Winning a championship obviously isn't a failure!

    Maybe somebody will answer the simple question honestly eventually. It's grand lads, a Championship isn't as important. Simple answer.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Artful_Badger


    Muise... wrote: »
    No, I mean professional athletes who look like a load of bouncers playing a professional game with a frustrating amount of foosthering around. No flow, no grace, just a lot of grunting in the muck.

    I think you under appreciate the complexity of the foostering and its no more frustrating than any other sport with plenty of flow, grace and very little muck these days.

    But this is all just giving the previous poster a nice out from explaining to me what demographic it is that rugby is restricted to when it comes to support.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    I think you under appreciate the complexity of the foostering and its no more frustrating than any other sport with plenty of flow, grace and very little muck these days.

    But this is all just giving the previous poster a nice out from explaining to me what demographic it is that rugby is restricted to when it comes to support.

    When I worked in a nightclub frequented by rugby fans, I would have said it was the asshole demographic. But I'm sure Sept will answer you for himself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Artful_Badger


    K-9 wrote: »
    Well it stands to sense that the 6 championships wins are less important.

    I dont think it does. Its like saying winning a final 2-1 is less important than a 2-0 win. A win is a win. Just because you cant get better than a grand slam doesnt mean winning the championship without getting the grand slam is forgettable or can be dismissed.
    I never compared different sports, just different countries in the same 6 nation championship. Winning a championship obviously isn't a failure!

    Maybe somebody will answer the simple question honestly eventually. It's grand lads, a Championship isn't as important. Simple answer.

    This conversation is off the back of a poster claiming its all well and good but it'll never provide the likes the soccer has. I only said I'll enjoy the winning of a major tournament (which the 6 nations is) today. To which you replied and started off with the old "golden generation" one one grand slam, nobody cares about winning the championship stuff.

    Is it the fact that the rugby team is managing some success while the soccer team isnt that makes people resentful of rugby or what ? Winning the 6 nations is a great achievement, the players are delighted, the fans are delighted and its jotted down the journals as Ireland wins the 6 nations. So where exactly is the issue here ?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 325 ✭✭finix


    Always came across as elitest to me ie..The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, .... I know a few guys who follow it and hate it, But It is the ''Done Thing'':rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Artful_Badger


    Muise... wrote: »
    When I worked in a nightclub frequented by rugby fans, I would have said it was the asshole demographic. But I'm sure Sept will answer you for himself.

    Ah I see, all rugby fans are assholes because you met some rugby fans you thought were assholes. I'm sure Sept is a big soccer fan for that very reason. Wouldnt be any assholes supporting soccer now would there...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 325 ✭✭finix


    Ah I see, all rugby fans are assholes because you met some rugby fans you thought were assholes. I'm sure Sept is a big soccer fan for that very reason. Wouldnt be any assholes supporting soccer now would there...
    More pricks follow rugby...Yah ?:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Ah I see, all rugby fans are assholes because you met some rugby fans you thought were assholes. I'm sure Sept is a big soccer fan for that very reason. Wouldnt be any assholes supporting soccer now would there...

    That's not what I said. I said I would have said it then, because I didn't like being called 'wench' or 'skirt' or getting groped while my hands were full so I couldn't hit back. I wouldn't say it now, and in fact, I didn't. I also don't represent Sept, though I like the cut of his jib. :)

    (though interestingly, soccer fans never treated me like that.)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Artful_Badger


    Muise... wrote: »
    That's not what I said. I said I would have said it then, because I didn't like being called 'wench' or 'skirt' or getting groped while my hands were full so I couldn't hit back. I wouldn't say it now, and in fact, I didn't. I also don't represent Sept, though I like the cut of his jib. :)

    Doesnt sound like you know what your saying at all tbh. What has you being assaulted by idiots in a bar got to do with the sport of rugby ?
    (though interestingly, soccer fans never treated me like that.)

    Yeah of course its only rugby fans that assault women. :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    In Donegal Rugby is growing massively as a sport. There are 6 or 7 senior teams in the ulster league and its not all protestants, even the gaeltacht has a team.

    We had a rugby team in our school and it was far from posh.

    Did you lose your gf to a rugby player or something?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 Inner City Hedgehog


    Do you have an idea of the numbers of players within this island? If you did you would realise it's not a minority sport here
    Most of the "registered players" counted in the statistics are tag rugby players.

    Tag rugby is not a sport.

    It's an embarrassment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Had a good laugh reading both sides on this thread.

    My issue with |Rugby (which I play and follow) is that it gets way to much airtime. Why is Scot v Wales live on RTE ahead of Dublin v Kilkenny in the hurling?

    Why do RTE show the woman's rugby but not the woman's soccer or all ireland woman's final which gets relegated to TG4?

    There is no denying Rugby gets too much airtime and if it's clearly because it's based in D4 and biased due to the likes of Nugent being head of sport.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    The man's man, I don't think we need short bull or insecure gobsheens typiing over the proper order.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Soft Falling Rain


    some people find it doesn't sit well with the massive chip they carry around on their shoulder.

    I don't follow the sport so don't see why I should share in any kind of satisfaction at the Irish victory. That's doesn't mean I'm begrudging, I mean absolutely fair play to the lads for their fine achievement.

    If that means I have a chip on my shoulder then sound, I'd rather that and be real than being some bandwagoner. But it seems being straight in this country is looked down upon in favour of paying lip service.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    I don't follow the sport so don't see why I should share in any kind of satisfaction at the Irish victory. That's doesn't mean I'm begrudging, I mean absolutely fair play to the lads for their fine achievement.

    If that means I have a chip on my shoulder then sound, I'd rather that and be real than being some bandwagoner. But it seems being straight in this country is looked down upon in favour of paying lip service.
    you're a maverick..a loose canon..too authentic to be appreciated in your own time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Stojkovic


    Probably does get proportionately too much airtime but if it keeps bog-ball or stick wars off the box well then thats a good thing IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Soft Falling Rain


    you're a maverick..a loose canon..too authentic to be appreciated in your own time
    That's what I'm always trying to tell people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    K-9 wrote: »
    I never compared different sports, just different countries in the same 6 nation championship. Winning a championship obviously isn't a failure!

    Maybe somebody will answer the simple question honestly eventually. It's grand lads, a Championship isn't as important. Simple answer.

    its the same in every sport though the teams that simply win the championship are mostly forgotten about where as the teams that do something spectacular are more remembered (Grand slams, Arsenals Undeafeated season, uniteds treble) they dont in any way harm the legacy of what the team achieved but things move on quickly in sport
    RoyalCelt wrote: »
    Had a good laugh reading both sides on this thread.

    My issue with |Rugby (which I play and follow) is that it gets way to much airtime. Why is Scot v Wales live on RTE ahead of Dublin v Kilkenny in the hurling?

    i believe that if you want to show the 6 nations games you have to show all of them and there were probably more numbers viewing that game than would be the dub v KK game because it was a league fixture and in my experience no one cares a huge amount about the league
    Why do RTE show the woman's rugby but not the woman's soccer or all ireland woman's final which gets relegated to TG4?
    Im surprised their showing any womens sport at all but the choice would be down to bandwagoning onto their womens success last year to get viewers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Regardless of what numbers support which sports, RTE is supposed to be a national broadcaster though, Scotland v Wales is an irrelevant rugby game.

    Dublin v Kilkenny (for example) at least was Irish and had something at stake.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Molester Stallone


    Most of the "registered players" counted in the statistics are tag rugby players.

    Tag rugby is not a sport.

    It's an embarrassment.

    Nope, tag rugby is big in Ireland, but it doesn't account for the senior males numbers I'm afraid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Lucky to get that win yesterday in fairness, France were the better team on the day imo, if the clown gave off his pass right the Irish would have been sucking lemons and that sblysheen Gerry Thornley would have been writing stories about injustice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    Lucky to get that win yesterday in fairness, France were the better team on the day imo, if the clown gave off his pass right the Irish would have been sucking lemons and that sblysheen Gerry Thornley would have been writing stories about injustice.

    You sound disappointed...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭Tox56


    Lucky to get that win yesterday in fairness, France were the better team on the day imo, if the clown gave off his pass right the Irish would have been sucking lemons and that sblysheen Gerry Thornley would have been writing stories about injustice.

    Do you really have nothing better to do? Jesus christ man lighten up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    Fair enough they won yesterday, D4 are delighted, but today the egg has been well and truly scrambled, roll on 1.30, c'mon the pool!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 Inner City Hedgehog


    Rugby represents the crushing, boring, bland, safe, unimaginative, "we like everything middle of the road" section of Irish society.

    Rugby followers generally like boring, bland, safe music. It's a family thing. A bit of Frank Sinatra and The Rat Pack for Dad, Leo Sayer and Michael Buble for Mum (and it is Mum), Damien Rice, Muse and maybe the Red Hot Chili Peppers for son, Take That, The Coronas and Kodaline for daughter.

    They like tired, unfunny, inoffensive comedians. Dara O'Briain's next gig at Vicar St is a must, although it's a bit out of the way. Michael McIntyre is very funny.

    They watch bland, mainstream, television which reflects their socially-aspirant dreams. X-Factor is must watch for daughter, boyfriend (who she met at tag rugby) watching with her makes it special. But nothing will ever beat Friends.

    They like nice, chumsy, people like us radio. Miriam and Marian on a Sunday morning with a coffee and the Sunday papers are an institution for Mum and Dad.

    They like tedious, poorly written and poorly acted films. The Hangover is hilarious. Daughter likes a good rom-com, preferably with boyfriend (who she met at tag rugby), but with the girls if not. Son still thinks Happy Gilmore is a classic and is a great fan of Adam Sandler.

    They vote for middle of the road, value-free, slightly liberal politicians. Fianna Fail in the good days, Fine Gael now, Mum and Dad voted Labour in 1992, but that was when they were going through a mid-life crisis. The whole family always thinks it's important to vote Yes in European referendums.

    Son and daughter did boring, middle of the road university business courses.

    Son is not a big football fan although he thought Roy Keane was correct when he walked out in Saipan as it symblissed the new Ireland's unwillingness to settle for second best. He likes a bit of golf or recreational marathon running these days, now that he has calmed down, got sensible and put his "wild child" days behind him.

    Rugby is what unites them all, and people like them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    Rugby represents the crushing, boring, bland, safe, unimaginative, "we like everything middle of the road" section of Irish society.

    Rugby followers generally like boring, bland, safe music. It's a family thing. A bit of Frank Sinatra and The Rat Pack for Dad, Leo Sayer and Michael Buble for Mum (and it is Mum), Damien Rice, Muse and maybe the Red Hot Chili Peppers for son, Take That, The Coronas and Kodaline for daughter.

    They like tired, unfunny, inoffensive comedians. Dara O'Briain's next gig at Vicar St is a must, although it's a bit out of the way. Michael McIntyre is very funny.

    They watch bland, mainstream, television which reflects their socially-aspirant dreams. X-Factor is must watch for daughter, boyfriend (who she met at tag rugby) watching with her makes it special. But nothing will ever beat Friends.

    They like nice, chumsy, people like us radio. Miriam and Marian on a Sunday morning with a coffee and the Sunday papers are an institution for Mum and Dad.

    They like tedious, poorly written and poorly acted films. The Hangover is hilarious. Daughter likes a good rom-com, preferably with boyfriend (who she met at tag rugby), but with the girls if not. Son still thinks Happy Gilmore is a classic and is a great fan of Adam Sandler.

    They vote for middle of the road, value-free, slightly liberal politicians. Fianna Fail in the good days, Fine Gael now, Mum and Dad voted Labour in 1992, but that was when they were going through a mid-life crisis. The whole family always thinks it's important to vote Yes in European referendums.

    Son and daughter did boring, middle of the road university business courses.

    Son is not a big football fan although he thought Roy Keane was correct when he walked out in Saipan as it symblissed the new Ireland's unwillingness to settle for second best. He likes a bit of golf or recreational marathon running these days, now that he has calmed down, got sensible and put his "wild child" days behind him.

    Rugby is what unites them all, and people like them.

    Essentially the people who pay taxes in this country and subsidise the quirky layabouts with an interest in niche music, or the tracksuit brigade who like to watch the 'pool on a Sunday with a few cans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    I've always enjoyed watching Ireland play, however, I never totally got into it as most of the players would be private-school educated and I suppose I could never really relate to them. I always thought if I had kids and they wore Ireland jerseys and looked up to the players, it would always be a bit sad knowing they could never emulate them as, they would never go to a private school and reach those heights (not being from Munster), no matter how good they could potentially be, and they would too innocent to even know this. If this is changing, I would be delighted to hear it.

    My other slight problem is the fans the game attracts. It does seem to attract a type who see it as the thing to be into because that's just what the middle class are into. I work in a professional environment, and the professionals there would go to the games, but would have absolutely no interest in any other sport. Yes, I realise I'm guilty of being a reverse snob! Same also with the female rugger-hugger types previously mentioned.

    Despite all of this, I have to say the players seem like absolute sound lads and are a credit to the game. The passion they show from the minute they walk out on the pitch to the final whistle is a pleasure to watch. Our soccer players could learn a thing of two from them from them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    <snip>


    Banned.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,205 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Rugby represents the crushing, boring, bland, safe, unimaginative, "we like everything middle of the road" section of Irish society.

    Rugby followers generally like boring, bland, safe music. It's a family thing. A bit of Frank Sinatra and The Rat Pack for Dad, Leo Sayer and Michael Buble for Mum (and it is Mum), Damien Rice, Muse and maybe the Red Hot Chili Peppers for son, Take That, The Coronas and Kodaline for daughter.

    They like tired, unfunny, inoffensive comedians. Dara O'Briain's next gig at Vicar St is a must, although it's a bit out of the way. Michael McIntyre is very funny.

    They watch bland, mainstream, television which reflects their socially-aspirant dreams. X-Factor is must watch for daughter, boyfriend (who she met at tag rugby) watching with her makes it special. But nothing will ever beat Friends.

    They like nice, chumsy, people like us radio. Miriam and Marian on a Sunday morning with a coffee and the Sunday papers are an institution for Mum and Dad.

    They like tedious, poorly written and poorly acted films. The Hangover is hilarious. Daughter likes a good rom-com, preferably with boyfriend (who she met at tag rugby), but with the girls if not. Son still thinks Happy Gilmore is a classic and is a great fan of Adam Sandler.

    They vote for middle of the road, value-free, slightly liberal politicians. Fianna Fail in the good days, Fine Gael now, Mum and Dad voted Labour in 1992, but that was when they were going through a mid-life crisis. The whole family always thinks it's important to vote Yes in European referendums.

    Son and daughter did boring, middle of the road university business courses.

    Son is not a big football fan although he thought Roy Keane was correct when he walked out in Saipan as it symblissed the new Ireland's unwillingness to settle for second best. He likes a bit of golf or recreational marathon running these days, now that he has calmed down, got sensible and put his "wild child" days behind him.

    Rugby is what unites them all, and people like them.

    That is without a shadow of a doubt, the stupidest post i have ever read on boards...well done OP, well done.


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