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Gardai brought into NUIG over same-sex marriage row

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  • #32
    asteroth
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 272 ✭✭asteroth


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    I thought we had free speech and freedom of expression in this country or does that apply only to the Panti lovers

    Fcuk your freedom of speech. That's always the curtain that hateful dickheads hide behind. They have every right to spout their crap but should face the same sanctions as anyone who says something offensive. My two beautiful nieces are mixed race and anyone who screams about a white woman loving a black man being an abomination gets an iron bar across the head from me. Anyone likening homosexuality to paedophilia is lining up for the same brute force and ignorance treatment.


  • #33
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    P_1 wrote: »
    We do, they're exercising their right to free speech with their 'interesting' views and we're exercising ours by pointing and laughing at them.

    It is one thing pointing out the fallacies of an argument and another thing to use physical force to remove and rip up posters about views one doesn't like.


  • #34
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    jank wrote: »
    It is one thing pointing out the fallacies of an argument and another thing to use physical force to remove and rip up posters about views one doesn't like.
    Yeh I agree there. It's always a big face-palm when the voice of reason lets itself down with crap like that.


  • #35
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,222 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    I'm just waiting for a drive-by post from Manach to get this thread really started.


  • #36
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    Lets see what Helen Loveday thinks about it

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo


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  • #37
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    Yay. Student politics.


  • #38
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    asteroth wrote: »
    Fcuk your freedom of speech. That's always the curtain that hateful dickheads hide behind. They have every right to spout their crap but should face the same sanctions as anyone who says something offensive. My two beautiful nieces are mixed race and anyone who screams about a white woman loving a black man being an abomination gets an iron bar across the head from me. Anyone likening homosexuality to paedophilia is lining up for the same brute force and ignorance treatment.

    Eh? Really. One should be 'sanctioned' if you saying something offensive. You realise that is another way of saying censorship. Also, threatening people with an iron bar because you don't like what they have to say will not win many friends here I would say. What you are talking about is just plain fascism tbh. Using physical force to shut people up.


  • #39
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    jank wrote: »
    It is one thing pointing out the fallacies of an argument and another thing to use physical force to remove and rip up posters about views one doesn't like.

    To day gays are pedophiles is not a view it's bigotry and a possible incitement to hatred and violence which is illegal.


  • #40
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Yeh I agree there. It's always a big face-palm when the voice of reason lets itself down with crap like that.

    Of course those advocating and encouraging destroying their stall would think of themselves as 'liberal' and 'tolerant' people.


  • #41
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    kneemos wrote: »
    To day gays are pedophiles is not a view it's bigotry and a possible incitement to hatred and violence which is illegal.


    A classic 2+2=5.

    To say gays are 'bad' and should all be killed or phyiscally harmed is incitement of hatred.
    To compare gays to pedophiles (even though its distasteful) is not incitement of hatred (unless you of course approve of violence against pedophiles, well cause their pedophiles)


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  • #42
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    homosexuality to paedophilia

    Comparing consensual sex between two adults to a desire to have sex with young children? I really hope whoever set up that stall got a severe hiding.


  • #43
    jane82
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    How did that pro palestinian fella let these goons on his campus. Hes been there ten years. Hed have shifted them quickly.


  • #44
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    jank wrote: »
    A classic 2+2=5.

    To say gays are 'bad' and should all be killed or phyiscally harmed is incitement of hatred.
    To compare gays to pedophiles (even though its distasteful) is not incitement of hatred (unless you of course approve of violence against pedophiles, well cause their pedophiles)
    But paedophiles are hated and it's accepted that you're at risk if people think you could be a paedo.


  • #45
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Ah, so it starts……. Peter Hitchens was right after all.


  • #46
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    jank wrote: »
    A classic 2+2=5.

    To say gays are 'bad' and should all be killed or phyiscally harmed is incitement of hatred.
    To compare gays to pedophiles (even though its distasteful) is not incitement of hatred (unless you of course approve of violence against pedophiles, well cause their pedophiles)

    Everybody hates pedophiles so it's an incitement to hatred and probably the purpose of the statement.


  • #47
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    But paedophiles are hated and it's accepted that you're at risk if people think you could be a paedo.

    You are missing the point. Comparing a person or group to a person or group whom society doesn't have high regard for (e.g. paedophile, a traveller, an immigrant, a banker, a developer, a TD..etc...) does not in of itself lean to an incitement of hatred unless of course the population at large think that it is ok to go around beating up paedophiles (or bankers, or travellers..). I don't think the general population of Ireland never mind those students in NUIG think that is OK so to use the logic and conclude that to compare one with the other is an automatic incitement of hatred of a group. Its an entirely lazy emotional argument that has not rational behind it but for some reason it sticks cause its easy to 'understand'


  • #48
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Oh my god, one of them is called Enoch? Can only be the namesake of this guy.

    Thanks for the enlightenment Femme Fatale. In my haste I read Eunuch :D


  • #49
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    kneemos wrote: »
    Everybody hates pedophiles so it's an incitement to hatred and probably the purpose of the statement.


    See above. It is a lazy argument.


  • #50
    The Th!ng
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭The Th!ng


    Enoch Gowell


  • #51
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    jank wrote: »
    You are missing the point. Comparing a person or group to a person or group whom society doesn't have high regard for (e.g. paedophile, a traveller, an immigrant, a banker, a developer, a TD..etc...) does not in of itself lean to an incitement of hatred unless of course the population at large think that it is ok to go around beating up paedophiles (or bankers, or travellers..). I don't think the general population of Ireland never mind those students in NUIG think that is OK so to use the logic and conclude that to compare one with the other is an automatic incitement of hatred of a group. Its an entirely lazy emotional argument that has not rational behind it but for some reason it sticks cause its easy to 'understand'

    Grand so, people can start putting up posters claiming youre involved with paedophiles. They have the right of free speech.


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  • #52
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    jank wrote: »
    Comparing a person or group to a person or group whom society doesn't have high regard for (e.g. paedophile, a traveller, an immigrant, a banker, a developer, a TD..etc...) does not in of itself lean to an incitement of hatred unless of course the population at large think that it is ok to go around beating up paedophiles
    I reckon a hefty chunk of Irish society does.

    Dunno why you're being so dismissive of it. Seems very disingenuous. You know full well the contempt there is for paedophilia - it has been to the point of hysteria at times.
    Don't know what the Peter Hitchens thing was about or who it was directed at, but it would be more in the spirit of the discussion at least to indicate which quote by P. Hitchens you're referring to.

    It's weird for people to have such disdain for the left of the political spectrum that they'd kinda defend the awful slurs from these people in relation to gay people. Still possible to disagree strongly with far left politics (not always a fan myself) while also disagreeing strongly with this lot.


  • #53
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    jank wrote: »
    You are missing the point. Comparing a person or group to a person or group whom society doesn't have high regard for (e.g. paedophile, a traveller, an immigrant, a banker, a developer, a TD..etc...) does not in of itself lean to an incitement of hatred unless of course the population at large think that it is ok to go around beating up paedophiles (or bankers, or travellers..). I don't think the general population of Ireland never mind those students in NUIG think that is OK so to use the logic and conclude that to compare one with the other is an automatic incitement of hatred of a group. Its an entirely lazy emotional argument that has not rational behind it but for some reason it sticks cause its easy to 'understand'

    Quite a few people do think it's OK to beat up pedophiles.
    An incitement to hatred can be just that,no need for beating up.


  • #54
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Anyway, here is the poster in question and it does not directly compare homosexuality with paedophilia. It does however draw attention to a US group called NAMBLA who they say are in favour of legalising marriage between men and boys, also mentions polygamy.
    http://www.rabble.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/2014-03-11-PIA.jpg

    This would be an indirect reference but not a direct reference.

    I had no idea who NAMBLA are so I had to look them up.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association


  • #55
    The Th!ng
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭The Th!ng


    I thought this was about two Gays squabbling over which of them was the giver and which was the taker.


  • #56
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Grand so, people can start putting up posters claiming youre involved with paedophiles. They have the right of free speech.

    Ah but there is a difference. That is defamation and slander of my name which I have a right to defend in a court of law. This is simple stuff to be honest that you should be aware of. I would have the same right if someone put up a poster of me saying I was a homosexual by the way.


  • #57
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    jank wrote: »
    Ah but there is a difference. That is defmenation and slander of my name which I have a right to defend in a court of law. This is simple stuff to be honest that you should be aware of.

    I would have the same right if someone put up a poster of me saying I was a homosexual by the way and I would win.
    Being a homosexual tarnishes your character "in the eyes of right-thinking members of society"? Nope.

    I'm no legal eagle, but I did study media law modules.


  • #58
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    I thought we had free speech and freedom of expression in this country or does that apply only to the Panti lovers
    I don't think any European country has true free speech.


  • #59
    Davarus Walrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    Any update on what is going on down in NUIG at the moment?


  • #60
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    asteroth wrote: »
    Fcuk your freedom of speech. That's always the curtain that hateful dickheads hide behind. They have every right to spout their crap but should face the same sanctions as anyone who says something offensive. My two beautiful nieces are mixed race and anyone who screams about a white woman loving a black man being an abomination gets an iron bar across the head from me. Anyone likening homosexuality to paedophilia is lining up for the same brute force and ignorance treatment.

    Fighting ignorance with violence - where do i sign up


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  • #61
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    kneemos wrote: »
    Quite a few people do think it's OK to beat up pedophiles.
    An incitement to hatred can be just that,no need for beating up.

    Who? Name people who have publicly said that it is OK to physically assault pedophiles in Ireland. Stop digging.


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