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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 Mod warning post#7005

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  • #1892
    Kerrigooney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭Kerrigooney


    mada999 wrote: »
    wow my band just got featured on Anfield wrap, nice :) :pac: 3pts Sunday please :)

    Cool song. Sweet riff in the chorus and a killer solo. Good work.

    And yes,3 points please.


  • #1893
    [Deleted User]
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    NukaCola wrote: »
    You misunderstand me. Hodgsons press conferences were awful, he talked a lot of nonsense. Also the football was just hideous to watch. I'm comparing both those traits to Moyes, no more, not circumstances wages, players bought. Utd are awful to watch, as is Moyes pressers. That would have never changed under Hodgson and wont change under Moyes.

    Both took over teams in need of major reconstruction and both had a less than successful first window. Hodgson was given no money so was forced to bring in bargain basement players, Moyes was slow to act but got a quality player in the end who hasn't lived up to his billing yet. I feel Hodgson gets a lot of blame that should be directed at Hicks and Gillette. The boardroom unrest was probably a huge factor in feeling around the club and Hodgson was a case of wrong place wrong time rather than a lack of managerial ability. Patience would have been rewarded, like it has been with Rodgers and I hope it will be with Moyes. He's identified weak areas and made 2 stellar signings. Given the money in the summer he can address the left back and centre mid issues and you'd be hard pressed to find a more well stocked team in the league imo. If his tactics are still found wanting after he has the players to execute them then by all means I'd accept him being thrown out post haste but he hasn't been given a fair chance yet.


  • #1894
    whatawaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    The Hodgson and Moyes situations are very similar.

    Both are good managers, but massively overrated by some fans and the media. Both are imo the type of manager who will hit a ceiling of success because they aren't brave enough to have their teams be anything other than organised.
    That kind of approach will excel at mid-level clubs and get a lot out of mediocre players. But at bigger clubs with better players, it's not going to achieve the results needed. Managers like Rodgers and Martinez, on the other hand, looked to me like their styles would transfer well to better players and bigger clubs. So far, so it's proved.

    Also, Moyes and Hodgson both crumbled remarkably quickly under the pressure. Moyes comments yesterday were absolutely pathetic, he should be embarrassed.


  • #1895
    Vinz Mesrine
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    MonkeyTennis wrote: »
    Hodgson pretty much signed Suarez in what universe?

    Can someone answer this please?

    Kenny took over at the start of January, Suarez was signed on the last day of the month.


  • #1896
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Liam O wrote: »
    Both took over teams in need of major reconstruction and both had a less than successful first window. Hodgson was given no money so was forced to bring in bargain basement players, Moyes was slow to act but got a quality player in the end who hasn't lived up to his billing yet. I feel Hodgson gets a lot of blame that should be directed at Hicks and Gillette. The boardroom unrest was probably a huge factor in feeling around the club and Hodgson was a case of wrong place wrong time rather than a lack of managerial ability. Patience would have been rewarded, like it has been with Rodgers and I hope it will be with Moyes. He's identified weak areas and made 2 stellar signings. Given the money in the summer he can address the left back and centre mid issues and you'd be hard pressed to find a more well stocked team in the league imo. If his tactics are still found wanting after he has the players to execute them then by all means I'd accept him being thrown out post haste but he hasn't been given a fair chance yet.
    lol Moyes took over the champions
    he has quality players like RVP,Rooney & now Mata but can't get the best out of them because of his limitated tactics.


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  • #1897
    whatawaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    Liam O wrote: »
    Both took over teams in need of major reconstruction and both had a less than successful first window. Hodgson was given no money so was forced to bring in bargain basement players, Moyes was slow to act but got a quality player in the end who hasn't lived up to his billing yet. I feel Hodgson gets a lot of blame that should be directed at Hicks and Gillette. The boardroom unrest was probably a huge factor in feeling around the club and Hodgson was a case of wrong place wrong time rather than a lack of managerial ability. Patience would have been rewarded, like it has been with Rodgers and I hope it will be with Moyes. He's identified weak areas and made 2 stellar signings. Given the money in the summer he can address the left back and centre mid issues and you'd be hard pressed to find a more well stocked team in the league imo. If his tactics are still found wanting after he has the players to execute them then by all means I'd accept him being thrown out post haste but he hasn't been given a fair chance yet.

    IMO Rodgers earned patience quite early with Liverpool. The early performances were often very good, particularly against United and City at Anfield and I for one could see what he was trying to do. Furthermore, Rodgers took a team that had finished 6th, 7th and 8th in the 3 previous seasons. A mediocre team. So him getting mediocre results for the first half of last season shouldn't have been a massive surprise to anyone.

    I have not seen more than 2 or 3 good performances from Man United all season. These are last seasons champions. I have no idea what Moyes is trying to do.

    Also, Fellaini is not a stellar signing


  • #1898
    NukaCola
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    Vinz Mesrine wrote: »
    Can someone answer this please?

    Kenny took over at the start of January, Suarez was signed on the last day of the month.

    As far as i can remember he had him scouted.


  • #1899
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Vinz Mesrine wrote: »
    Can someone answer this please?

    Kenny took over at the start of January, Suarez was signed on the last day of the month.

    Answer


  • #1900
    redzerdrog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭redzerdrog


    NukaCola wrote: »
    As far as i can remember he had him scouted.

    I think Kenny was actually the person scouting him


  • #1901
    mike65
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    Vinz Mesrine wrote: »
    Can someone answer this please?

    Kenny took over at the start of January, Suarez was signed on the last day of the month.

    The first hint of Suarez joining Liverpool was in the first week of December 2010, when Spurs (who else?!) were also linked - I reckon Hodgsons input would have been to not say no, I imagine the actual scouting was Comolli as he would be his type of player to sign.


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  • #1902
    NukaCola
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    Liam O wrote: »
    Patience would have been rewarded, like it has been with Rodgers and I hope it will be with Moyes.

    I just dont agree with you. Rodgers adapted, Hodgson didn't. Moyes has to, it remains to be seen if he can/is willing to.


  • #1903
    garra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,992 ✭✭✭garra


    Milkers wrote: »
    Most of those Rodger's quotes are from his early days at Liverpool when he was clearly trying too hard to "sound the part" which often backfired. He seems more relaxed now. Also a good few of them are only 3/4 out of 10 on the cringe scale.

    I love the fact you bothered to address Brendan's Brentism's, as if anyone cares what comes out their gob as long as their team is winning. You didn't see Manu fans defending the indefensible garbage that their previous manager spouted, and similar with Chelski fans this year. BR is doing ok, and he likes embellishing his stories, let him at it!


  • #1904
    Vinz Mesrine
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭Vinz Mesrine


    Where do you think Suarez would be playing if Roy had stayed in charge?


  • #1905
    MonkeyTennis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭MonkeyTennis


    Vinz Mesrine wrote: »
    Where do you think Suarez would be playing if Roy had stayed in charge?

    at Arsenal


  • #1906
    mike65
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    Can we talk about something more cheerful? :eek:


  • #1907
    garra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,992 ✭✭✭garra


    Liam O wrote: »
    Wasn't Rodgers saying this stuff when Liverpool were in United's current position? I can deal with one bad season, I realise that I've been somewhat spoiled as a United fan but I have faith that it will come good again soon, Moyes or no Moyes. I'd prefer him to get the time rather than hastily sack him like Liverpool did with Hodgson and plummet into a much deeper mess. So far Moyes has signed Fellaini and Mata, Hodgson was about to bring in Suarez for Liverpool who would have turned it around, and going on that, probably would have brought in better players than Carroll and Downing given the same money as Kenny. But you want to know the kicker? As much as you all seem to want it to be, it's not in anyway similar to Moyes at United and the constant comparisons are getting a bit stupid.

    Agreed. Thankfully one of the major differences is that Moyes will be given more time to eviscerate any shred of invincibility remaining at that faltering empire. Another is that Moyes can pronounce his "r"s.


  • #1908
    OwaynOTT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,630 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    I think your reasoning of what makes a good or bad season is flawed. I'd maintain that to be seventh with everton doesn't necessarily represent a bad season. To be seventh with United certainly does.

    Moyes has consistently punched above his weight with everton. I his net spend per season there was only three or four million, I don't think there's a single club that survived in the league with less during that period, let alone made the top six, seven or eight in what nine or ten of his 11 years there

    Moyes, this season, has United punching well below their weight. An equivelant performance at Everton would probably see them fighting relegation. In his career, he has never before now had his side performing so much below their potential. To say that this represents an average season for Moyes is just false IMO, and disregards a large number of relevant factors

    Regarding his appointment at United, while it easy say now he's not the man for the job, I think he deserved it.

    If an excellent performance as manager of a club 6/7 positions further down the league isn't adequate experience to qualify a manager for a bigger job, then what is? This isn't Spain or Italy, managers tend not to move from one top 4 club to another, so united were never going to appoint a manager from another top English club.

    For any manager to get a shot at a top club, someone has had to take a chance somewhere along the line and promote. Was Mourinho qualified for the Porto job? Wenger for the Arsenal job? Pep for the Barca job? Does a top 4 manager always have to come from abroad?

    While it doesn't look like Moyes is working out and there are others probably better qualified for the job, obviously Mourinho being the stand out candidate, to suggest Moyes wasn't deserving, after the excellent job he did at everton for so long, is nonsense IMO. He's worked his way up and earned his chance. Its only right that the top jobs in England are open to those who have proved themselves in the league from the bottom up

    Alan Curbishly significantly punched above their weight with Charlton with having no money to spend some years. They dropped like a stone without him but Everton are not doing too badly (currently) without Moyes.


  • #1909
    NukaCola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,983 ✭✭✭✭NukaCola


    mike65 wrote: »
    Can we talk about something more cheerful? :eek:

    Hodgson not at Liverpool and Moyes at United isn't cheerful enough for you?


  • #1910
    Strongbow10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭Strongbow10


    whatawaster wrote: »
    The Hodgson and Moyes situations are very similar.

    Both are good managers, but massively overrated by some fans and the media. Both are imo the type of manager who will hit a ceiling of success because they aren't brave enough to have their teams be anything other than organised.
    That kind of approach will excel at mid-level clubs and get a lot out of mediocre players. But at bigger clubs with better players, it's not going to achieve the results needed. Managers like Rodgers and Martinez, on the other hand, looked to me like their styles would transfer well to better players and bigger clubs. So far, so it's proved.

    Also, Moyes and Hodgson both crumbled remarkably quickly under the pressure. Moyes comments yesterday were absolutely pathetic, he should be embarrassed.

    What did Moyes say yesterday?


  • #1911
    djPSB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    mike65 wrote: »
    Can we talk about something more cheerful? :eek:


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  • #1912
    NukaCola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,983 ✭✭✭✭NukaCola


    Strongbow10 wrote: »
    What did Moyes say yesterday?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89124105&postcount=1839


  • #1913
    [Deleted User]
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    OwaynOTT wrote: »
    Alan Curbishly significantly punched above their weight with Charlton with having no money to spend some years. They dropped like a stone without him but Everton are not doing too badly (currently) without Moyes.

    We'll see what happens there when all the loan players go home and the aging defense has to be replaced by Martinez who I'm a big fan of and have been for some time but can't spot a defender to save his life.

    Moyes turned Everton from a team on a downward spiral that would have ended them in the championship to a perennial top 7 team by the end with little money to spend. This time next season if he gets through the summer I think and hope a lot of people will be eating their words. It's not what he says to the droolers in the papers that concerns me as it's meaningless, but what is happening behind closed doors. He's stuck now with some aging players who aren't upto the standard. He deserves a chance to replace them in the Summer and all the noises indicate he'll get it so enjoy it while it lasts because next season United will be back whether it's with Moyes there or without him.


  • #1914
    Courtesy Flush
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    Back to Liverpool
    Whats the latest on the injuries? just wondering what defensive line up we are likely to see tommorow


  • #1915
    joe123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭joe123


    Courtesy Flush wrote: »
    Back to Liverpool
    Whats the latest on the injuries? just wondering what defensive line up we are likely to see tommorow

    Sakho still not fit. Agger and Skrts CB. Johnson probably on the bench.

    Dont know whats the story with enrique :(


  • #1916
    mike65
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    Courtesy Flush wrote: »
    Back to Liverpool
    Whats the latest on the injuries? just wondering what defensive line up we are likely to see tommorow

    Johnson back, Agger back, Sakho next week, Enrique out for the season by the looks of it. I;d say Flanno will start with Johnson on as a sub if it makes sense. Agger will surely start and get done by Bony!


  • #1917
    klose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,209 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Courtesy Flush wrote: »
    Back to Liverpool
    Whats the latest on the injuries? just wondering what defensive line up we are likely to see tommorow

    Sakho apparently back next week and lucas a bit further off, hes training on his own at the moment. Enrique is probably done for the season, his injury is a bizzare one he had surgery apparently on the last international break and it looks like it made things worse.

    Other than that we are fully fit, id expect the back line to the same as arsenal tomorrow, im hoping johnson dosent come straight back in tbh. Hopefully with ibe on loan we continue with putting teixeira on the bench and not putting an extra defender there or something like that.


  • #1918
    OwaynOTT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,630 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT


    Liam O wrote: »
    We'll see what happens there when all the loan players go home and the aging defense has to be replaced by Martinez who I'm a big fan of and have been for some time but can't spot a defender to save his life.

    Moyes turned Everton from a team on a downward spiral that would have ended them in the championship to a perennial top 7 team by the end with little money to spend. This time next season if he gets through the summer I think and hope a lot of people will be eating their words. It's not what he says to the droolers in the papers that concerns me as it's meaningless, but what is happening behind closed doors. He's stuck now with some aging players who aren't upto the standard. He deserves a chance to replace them in the Summer and all the noises indicate he'll get it so enjoy it while it lasts because next season United will be back whether it's with Moyes there or without him.

    Moyes utilized the loan system at Everton as well.


  • #1919
    mosstin
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    joe123 wrote: »
    Sakho still not fit. Agger and Skrts CB. Johnson probably on the bench.

    Dont know whats the story with enrique :(

    A broken joystick. Needs to be rebooted.


  • #1920
    K-9
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    redzerdrog wrote: »
    I think Kenny was actually the person scouting him

    If I'm right Rafa was the first manager to show an interest in him and sent Kenny to have a look at him.

    Hodgson was just a limited manager, all right that squad lacked investment under H&G but the style of football didn't suit that squad of players, at least under Kenny it was better than the turgid crap we had to watch, hell opposition fans on here felt sorry for us watching it, and that tells a hell of a lot.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • #1921
    klose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,209 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Hopefully fabio can bang in a couple v arsenal today :D


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