Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 Mod warning post#7005

DrumSteve · 18-02-2014 02:04PM

gimli2112 wrote: »

2001 was like that for the final few months, when we did the cup treble and qualified for the CL via the league. It was very stressful. This would be much much worse. If we're still in it near the end I won't be able to watch.

Yeah, but I'd rather that than enjoy a comfortable 7th place finish.

K-9 · 18-02-2014 02:13PM

There is no play for a draw mentality with this team or manager as well, it's win or bust.

billy2012 · 18-02-2014 02:18PM

K-9 wrote: »

There is no play for a draw mentality with this team or manager as well, it's win or bust.

Not sure if that is a good thing TBH.

tok9 · 18-02-2014 02:19PM

billy2012 wrote: »

Not sure if that is a good thing TBH.

It is a good thing and one thing that made Ferguson so successful. He was willing to lose to win at times.

Afterall 3 draws is the same as 1 win.

billy2012 · 18-02-2014 02:19PM

http://talksport.com/football/liverpool-transfer-news-rodgers-raid-former-side-full-back-14021880241

googled eyes · 18-02-2014 02:27PM

Still only reading through posts from around half 11......

Kess, your killing me here. I'm just short of cheering as I'm reading.

Kimbot · 18-02-2014 02:28PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Thing is we are supporters. We can afford to get our hopes up. So what if those hopes get dashed. We can always let something else raise our hopes in the future.

But supporters with raised hopes make a lot of noise, and they will roar players on, even the less loved players, and if I was a player who was starting to think that there was a chance of a title medal, well I sure as hell would respond to 40,000 plus voices roaring me on and push that little bit harder which in turn would cause the volume to rise and the cycle repeats itself.

We may well crash and burn, but wouldn't it be fun to find out just how far we can go this season? To just take the shackles off and say "let's be fcuking having you" to any team that stands in front of us.

12 matches

12 rounds.

Go into the fight wanting the win, and you just might get it.

The fans really do have a say in the title this year...... roar your team across the finish line and be proud of what they achieved. I would love to hear that roar in Liverpool if we won the title. I remember the semi-final in the CL in 05 and my god you could hear it for miles.

ThunbergsAreGo · 18-02-2014 02:34PM

billy2012 wrote: »

http://talksport.com/football/liverpool-transfer-news-rodgers-raid-former-side-full-back-14021880241

From what i have seen i would rather Taylor

billy2012 · 18-02-2014 02:38PM

tok9 wrote: »

It is a good thing and one thing that made Ferguson so successful. He was willing to lose to win at times.

Afterall 3 draws is the same as 1 win.

And 3 losses is the same as nothing.

I just meant that sometimes a draw is a decent result, obviously depending on the opposition / circumstances.

Saying that, I'm don't like the idea of going out looking for a draw in the 1st place, all depends how the match plays out.

ciaranmac · 18-02-2014 02:43PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

If we were 3 points ahead of City, I'd still have them as favorites.

The brilliant thing is that we are in the mix for winning the league, and we havent been there is a while.
The players seem to have changed thier outlook in that rather aiming for top 4, they are just aiming for top. This change in phsycology has a huge bearing on a team.

I wrote something before the season start about how Utd under Ferguson from day 1 would be talking about winning the league, same goes for City and CFC. Having that instilled in a team rather than a top 4 aspiration changes the outlook and sense of accomplishment in a team.

The strange thing this year is nobody wants to talk up their title chances. BR says it's City's to lose, Mourinho says City should win because they have the most expensive squad, Pellegrini dodges the issue by talking about Chelsea's long term spending, Wenger just isn't saying the L word.

ciaranmac · 18-02-2014 02:56PM

hefferboi wrote: »

To be honest, I ddn't really care if we signed either Kono or Salah. Would be very good additions to the squad, alright, but we could just as easily get them in the summer. We needed dynamic centre midfielder. Still do really, but to be fair, Gerrard and Coutinho have been excellent since Jan.

Have to agree here. The thing that bothered me was we kept missing out on targets, not any reflection on how important those particular targets would have been. Like most posters on here I thought we needed a fullback or two and a DM, good enough to go straight in and strengthen the first 11. And in fairness SG is beginning to own the DM role after a shaky start. Cissokho also had a rough start and is more solid every game. With Flanagan back from injury it looks like we might get away with it. Fingers and toes crossed we get players back from injury and not the reverse.

8-10 · 18-02-2014 02:57PM

Devilman40k wrote: »

Not entirely true..that is an increase of 4m on the previous season, anything extra can be offset with new commercial revenues, I wonder what we did in January on that side...hmmmm :cool:

One thing the lads at FSG are pretty good at is understanding finance.

Gbear · 18-02-2014 03:07PM

murpho999 wrote: »

For all the criticism of Webb from that match, he was very lenient with Sterling there. Didn't even book him when he could have been sent off.

Rules very clear that you cannot touch a ref. Don't get why people are slagging Webb here over it.

I don't think anyone is myopic enough to think that Gerrard not getting sent off was "good refereeing".

His not giving Sterling a yellow (I think any more than that would've been incredibly harsh but if the rules of the game explicitly ban any contact and the punishment is a red then so be it.) was another example of him trying to push some bizarre notion of british chivalry that is pushed in british football culture and, perhaps, some more fuel for his ego.

It was not a good example of good refereeing just because it went our way.

Pyjamarama · 18-02-2014 03:10PM

So if we're the little horse now, does that make utd a bottle of glue?!!

Knex* · 18-02-2014 03:15PM

That Sterling incident came about because of his complete ineptitude anyway. Blatant free, plus ball went over the line off the Arsenal player after. So if not a free, then a corner.

He gave a goal kick.

The man was poor for both teams throughout. Some baffling decisions.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-02-2014 03:18PM

Pyjamarama wrote: »

So if we're the little horse now, does that make utd a bottle of glue?!!

Shergar.

Boom_Bap · 18-02-2014 03:20PM

The abuse that Webb is getting is mad. He has 3 other people officiating with him.
For the challenge on Suarez by Chamberlain, from his view, it looked shoulder to shoulder.
His assistant should have been flagging wildly.

The challenge on Allen only looked bad on replays, but his cry of agony when tackled should have been a signal, i think in this instance the assistant was closest and in best position.

The Gerrard tackle, dont know where Webb was, but his assistant was right up on play and had the best view.

For Sterling, Webb judged the situation, realised Sterling had no malice and was frustratied. He took appropriate action by talking the the captain.

The assistants in my view are at much bigger fault for not getting decisions right.

Pyjamarama · 18-02-2014 03:21PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Shergar.

Nah we know where they are... Nice and visible right in the middle of the table!!

Gbear · 18-02-2014 03:27PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

The abuse that Webb is getting is mad. He has 3 other people officiating with him.
For the challenge on Suarez by Chamberlain, from his view, it looked shoulder to shoulder.
His assistant should have been flagging wildly.

That's only relevant if the assistant had a decent view of it. We don't know whether or not he did.
Either way, Webb almost certainly had a better view given that he was about 10ft away.

Boom_Bap wrote: »

The challenge on Allen only looked bad on replays, but his cry of agony when tackled should have been a signal, i think in this instance the assistant was closest and in best position.

It was incorrect but on it's own it's not a huge black mark. It was early in the game and refs just don't give reds that early, especially if it's against the home team.

Boom_Bap wrote: »

The Gerrard tackle, dont know where Webb was, but his assistant was right up on play and had the best view.

Webb gave the foul. Whether Gerrard needed booking is largely at the ref's discretion.
He got that laughably wrong, I would assume because it was Stevie.
I don't have any explanation why Podolski got away with a similar challenge but, I suppose, at least he was consistent.

Knex* · 18-02-2014 03:28PM

For all we know his assistants did talk to him. They're all wearing headsets, remember.

Webb definitely strikes me as the type of person who is well capable of disregarding this advice based on his own judgement, however. (Which he's entitled to do, just I feel he got many things wrong)

Agent Coulson · 18-02-2014 03:30PM

Re; Webb I'd class him as the Big Time Charlie of the referee world.

18-02-2014 03:33PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

The abuse that Webb is getting is mad. He has 3 other people officiating with him.
For the challenge on Suarez by Chamberlain, from his view, it looked shoulder to shoulder.
His assistant should have been flagging wildly.

With how close Webb was I assume the linesman was on the far side of the pitch.

The challenge on Allen only looked bad on replays, but his cry of agony when tackled should have been a signal, i think in this instance the assistant was closest and in best position.

If we're going to take those agonising cries as evidence there won't be many matches finished.

Boom_Bap · 18-02-2014 03:36PM

Gbear wrote: »

That's only relevant if the assistant had a decent view of it. We don't know whether or not he did.
Either way, Webb almost certainly had a better view given that he was about 10ft away.

I think from the gif that has been posted here alot from Webbs view, it looks like a shoulder to shoulder. Any other view on the tackle which I would assume either of the 3 other officials would have had, would tell a different story.
Again, I am ony speculating that an assistant had a better view.

If not, and Webb see's what we see in the gif, then there is doubt about it being a clear foul, and he made the right decision.
Dont get me wrong, I think its a blanant peno, but the blame for not giving it cannot be solely attributed to Webb.

Knex. wrote: »

For all we know his assistants did talk to him. They're all wearing headsets, remember.

Webb definitely strikes me as the type of person who is well capable of disregarding this advice based on his own judgement, however. (Which he's entitled to do, just I feel he got many things wrong)

I'm sure there was dialogue between them and certain that Webb used his own judgement. Unfortunately these were wrong at times. But it's cases like this where his assistants need to be more assertive.

Grayditch · 18-02-2014 03:56PM

I've stopped even caring if I'm being reasonable about Howard Webb. If it's bad luck, coincidence, or just all in the crazy deluded brain of this Liverpool fan, I don't like him, and I don't like when he's reffing our games.

Utopia Parkway · 18-02-2014 04:10PM

Webb is a bollocks. End of story. Never want to see him ref a Liverpool game again so he can add to his long list of crap decisions. Think I'd prefer Lee Mason and that's saying something.

Nuri Sahin · 18-02-2014 04:12PM

People can attempt to take away the heat from Webb all they wish for Sunday's display, but it's not just a once off thing with him and Liverpool in the big games namely. I pray to Batman he isn't our ref for any one of the Spurs, Chelsea or Man City games.

Vicxas · 18-02-2014 04:16PM

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

People can attempt to take away the heat from Webb all they wish for Sunday's display, but it's not just a once off thing with him and Liverpool in the big games namely. I pray to Batman he isn't our ref for any one of the Spurs, Chelsea or Man City games.

Can the club request a new ref, I.E: Southampton refusing to have Clattenburg ref their matches

Agent Coulson · 18-02-2014 04:22PM

The best referee in England will be given the big high profile games and with Liverpool against City and Chelsea been seen as premier league title deciders 6 pointers and with Sky and the English media promoting them as such. I can't see the FA noth giving at least one of them to their World Cup referee.

Brendan or someone at the club needs to come out and take a fine and a ban I think to stop this happening.

Paulegend · 18-02-2014 04:26PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

Yeah, but I'd rather that than enjoy a comfortable 7th place finish.

yea like united those lucky bastards. nothing to play for except the champions league. theyll be knocked out of that soon so theyll be bale to go back to dubai and join their league or something

Paulegend · 18-02-2014 04:28PM

tok9 wrote: »

It is a good thing and one thing that made Ferguson so successful. He was willing to lose to win at times.

Afterall 3 draws is the same as 1 win.

exactly id rather lose 1 and win 1 rather than draw 2

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