The D4 Media/ Posh Boys and Irish Rugby – Spoon feeding the masses

Micky Dolenz · 13-02-2014 10:54PM

swimming in a sea wrote: »

I like most sports that are played at an elite level. I did not grow up in a Rugby environment but I still like watching the All Blacks even though I struggle with the rules.

I did not enjoy the Ireland vs Wales game on Saturday, Ireland did a number on Wales and stopped them playing. All the rugby pundits thought this was great\smart and they were smug about this. Replace Ireland's name with England's and then you would have heard cynical\boring and about how England are ruining the game.

Double Standards from the Rugby people is what I hate, at least there was plenty of Irish soccer pundits that were not afraid to call Ireland boring even when they qualified for Euro 2012.

"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom." Danny Blanchflower

You may say a lot more of that under the new coaching staff. Very technical ticket. You see boring, I see a thing of beauty. Locks getting turned and all that.

I don't care much for football but I wouldn't knock it.....much

bennyl10 · 13-02-2014 10:54PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

But the big/best players will go to the fee paying schools.

Its that simple. People can brush it up all they like. People aint blind.

Not in Munster

The_Kew_Tour · 13-02-2014 10:58PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The calcutta cup.

You are taking the Piss ya?

Of course you are:)

jimboblep · 13-02-2014 11:02PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

You are taking the Piss ya?

Of course you are:)

does everything below a world championship hold no value to you
these little cups are about tradition and pride
you ask a scottish rugby fan if he would be happy winning the calcutta cup see what they say

Guy:Incognito · 13-02-2014 11:02PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

You are taking the Piss ya?

Of course you are:)

If you say so.

Not to blow your mind too much but there's this other thing called the ashes that a few cricketers get excited about . The odd golfer goes to see some competition called the ryder cup too.

Tox56 · 13-02-2014 11:03PM

swimming in a sea wrote: »

I like most sports that are played at an elite level. I did not grow up in a Rugby environment but I still like watching the All Blacks even though I struggle with the rules.

I did not enjoy the Ireland vs Wales game on Saturday, Ireland did a number on Wales and stopped them playing. All the rugby pundits thought this was great\smart and they were smug about this. Replace Ireland's name with England's and then you would have heard cynical\boring and about how England are ruining the game.

Double Standards from the Rugby people is what I hate, at least there was plenty of Irish soccer pundits that were not afraid to call Ireland boring even when they qualified for Euro 2012.

"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom." Danny Blanchflower

Sorry, but this displays breathtaking ignorance. That you have a Joe Schmidt coached team and 'ruining the game' in the same sentence actually made me cry a little bit inside

Pug160 · 13-02-2014 11:05PM

It's a sport associated with middle class people, although from what I can gather, that association isn't entirely accurate. It does get quite a lot of coverage, but you could say it's justified given its popularity as a spectator sport. I've never been to a game but from what I hear the atmosphere is much more friendly than the average football one. There is the old saying about rugby being a thug's game played by gentlemen and football being a gentleman's game played by thugs. I think rugby should be introduced to a lot more young people of all backgrounds, as it can (in theory) be played by lots of different people with different physiques and skills. With football you're either good or rubbish but rugby has lots of different roles.

The_Kew_Tour · 13-02-2014 11:06PM

jimboblep wrote: »

does everything below a world championship hold no value to you
these little cups are about tradition and pride
you ask a scottish rugby fan if he would be happy winning the calcutta cup see what they say

ffs stop it will you.

1 match and you get a trophy?

Can you imagine that being taken seriously in any other international sport.

"Hey lads we just beat Andorra we are getting a big Trophy with a fancy name"

You be laughed all the way to India maybe thats why its called that name I guess.

The_Kew_Tour · 13-02-2014 11:08PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

If you say so.

Not to blow your mind too much but there's this other thing called the ashes that a few cricketers get excited about . The odd golfer goes to see some competition called the ryder cup too.

I dont. Ryder Cup is best Golfers from 2 Continents. Played over 28 matches and not 1. Nobody will lose sleep over it even die hard Golf fan.

The Ashes. Dont give a hoot.

jimboblep · 13-02-2014 11:09PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

ffs stop it will you.

1 match and you get a trophy?

Can you imagine that being taken seriously in any other international sport.

"Hey lads we just beat Andorra we are getting a big Trophy with a fancy name"

You be laughed all the way to India maybe thats why its called that name I guess.

its not about the cup its about the rivalry and bragging rights between two old rivals

Micky Dolenz · 13-02-2014 11:10PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

ffs stop it will you.

1 match and you get a trophy?

Can you imagine that being taken seriously in any other international sport.

"Hey lads we just beat Andorra we are getting a big Trophy with a fancy name"

You be laughed all the way to India maybe thats why its called that name I guess.

You clearly have no idea of the history behind. Rugby is full of tradition.

I've no doubt many other disciplines have such tradition, with a trophy being presented at the end of a competition between two teams. Why, them lads with the cox have one. Cambridge and Oxford. Bet there is way more.

swimming in a sea · 13-02-2014 11:10PM

Tox56 wrote: »

Sorry, but this displays breathtaking ignorance. That you have a Joe Schmidt coached team and 'ruining the game' in the same sentence actually made me cry a little bit inside

didn't claim to know much on rugby,I had to google the guy you were on about, Ireland manager i see, either way to casual viewer like me it bored me to tears

The_Kew_Tour · 13-02-2014 11:18PM

jimboblep wrote: »

its not about the cup its about the rivalry and bragging rights between two old rivals

Why dont you say that to the poster who brought it up then.

The_Kew_Tour · 13-02-2014 11:21PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

You clearly have no idea of the history behind. Rugby is full of tradition.

I've no doubt many other disciplines have such tradition, with a trophy being presented at the end of a competition between two teams. Why, them lads with the cox have one. Cambridge and Oxford. Bet there is way more.

Tradition. Ah yes a fine word. So much tradition in letting Italy into Five Nations.

Money talks.

Who really gives a rat arse about Cambridge and Oxford bar people from either town/university. I know plenty of English people who could not care less even though some watch it.

jimboblep · 13-02-2014 11:23PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Why dont you say that to the poster who brought it up then.

your the one saying its valueless

Penny Tration · 13-02-2014 11:27PM

How about we all just let people like what they like?

I fcuking love rugby. Been raised watching it and football, never liked football. Been a big rugby fan since I was about 10 years old (24 now).

I love it so much that I have a season ticket for Leinster, and am going to France to see the Leinster/Toulon match in April.

The atmosphere at rugby matches is great, way better (imo) than the atmosphere at GAA matches.

And I don't fancy a single player. I just love the game

The_Kew_Tour · 13-02-2014 11:28PM

jimboblep wrote: »

your the one saying its valueless

and it really is to any outsider.

I know Welsh lads who could not care less.

Championship all the way for those lads. Maybe thats why Wales have been far superior then us over the years of competition in 5/6 nations and WC.

Fratton Fred · 13-02-2014 11:30PM

jimboblep wrote: »

does everything below a world championship hold no value to you
these little cups are about tradition and pride
you ask a scottish rugby fan if he would be happy winning the calcutta cup see what they say

Scotland fans would be happy winning a lineout at the moment.

Micky Dolenz · 13-02-2014 11:33PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Tradition. Ah yes a fine word. So much tradition in letting Italy into Five Nations.

Money talks.

Who really gives a rat arse about Cambridge and Oxford bar people from either town/university. I know plenty of English people who could not care less even though some watch it.

Italy were invited in to make a new tradition and expand the game. Expansion is good for all.

I don't know who cares about rowing, probably people who row. I don't know anyone who watches it or I might but we have never discussed it.

The plenty of people you know clearly care enough about it as they have discussed their viewing it with you. have many conversations about a race no one gives a rats arse about? Clearly more than me anyhow.

Heroditas · 13-02-2014 11:36PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Who really gives a rat arse about Cambridge and Oxford bar people from either town/university. I know plenty of English people who could not care less even though some watch it.

Well over 17m people cared enough in 2011 to make an effort to watch it.
It's consistently one of the most watched events on UK TV.

The_Kew_Tour · 13-02-2014 11:38PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Italy were invited in to make a new tradition and expand the game. Expansion is good for all.

I don't know who cares about rowing, probably people who row. I don't know anyone who watches it or I might but we have never discussed it.

The plenty of people you know clearly care enough about it as they have discussed their viewing it with you. have many conversations about a race no one gives a rats arse about? Clearly more than me anyhow.

Well I happened to be in England couple of times I was on as a kid. Used to be on the BBC.

I didnt see anybody on the streets celebrating after the race was over. Then again I was in Manchester those few times

The_Kew_Tour · 13-02-2014 11:38PM

Heroditas wrote: »

Well over 17m people cared enough in 2011 to make an effort to watch it.
It's consistently one of the most watched events on UK TV.

Yes it is indeed.

Whats your point? Most people dont care who wins either way.

delw · 13-02-2014 11:39PM

I personally have no time for rugby but each to their own i say,the only thing that annoys me is the media hype for things like the "Lions tour",there bloody friendlies

/rant over

Fratton Fred · 13-02-2014 11:40PM

Can't wait til Cheltenham. Win one race and you're the greatest horse that's ever lived.

Mind you, spending the rest of your life in stud is a pretty cool reward.

Micky Dolenz · 13-02-2014 11:42PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Can't wait til Cheltenham. Win one race and you're the greatest horse that's ever lived.

Mind you, spending the rest of your life in stud is a pretty cool reward.

Unless you are a gelding, Ouchie.

Heroditas · 13-02-2014 11:45PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Yes it is indeed.

Whats your point? Most people dont care who wins either way.

You were the one who brought it up and said people didn't give a rats arse about it.
Well obviously 17m people care about it enough to watch it, whether they care who wins it or not.

The_Kew_Tour · 13-02-2014 11:45PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Can't wait til Cheltenham. Win one race and you're the greatest horse that's ever lived.

Mind you, spending the rest of your life in stud is a pretty cool reward.

Went to it in 2005.

Some gambling going on between the races and the Poker at night time. Saw houses on the line on the turn of a card.

Scary but interesting at same time.

calfmuscle · 13-02-2014 11:57PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Can't wait til Cheltenham. Win one race and you're the greatest horse that's ever lived.

Mind you, spending the rest of your life in stud is a pretty cool reward.

To have have qualified to enter that race the horses must be very talented. That's why Cheltenham is special you get the best of the best running Nd riding against each other!

Back on topic, Im catholic middle income, public schooled and play rugby - bloody well love stepping out on the pitch every weekend!!

Sure why would you not want to watch people tackling!! The physicality of rugby appeals to a lot of viewers.

Fratton Fred · 14-02-2014 12:26AM

calfmuscle wrote: »

To have have qualified to enter that race the horses must be very talented. That's why Cheltenham is special you get the best of the best running Nd riding against each other!.

So not unlike a Heineken cup final then?

HooohRaaah · 14-02-2014 10:24AM

green_screen wrote: »

How about we all just let people like what they like?

I fcuking love rugby. Been raised watching it and football, never liked football. Been a big rugby fan since I was about 10 years old (24 now).

I love it so much that I have a season ticket for Leinster, and am going to France to see the Leinster/Toulon match in April.

The atmosphere at rugby matches is great, way better (imo) than the atmosphere at GAA matches.

And I don't fancy a single player. I just love the game

The rugby atmosphere is manufactured. Music after tries and conversions. Free flags left on seats etc. Brutal stuff.

The D4 Media/ Posh Boys and Irish Rugby – Spoon feeding the masses

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