The D4 Media/ Posh Boys and Irish Rugby – Spoon feeding the masses

Guy:Incognito · 13-02-2014 03:10PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

Schools im talking about

and as I already said, theres a club structure alongside the schools one.

HooohRaaah · 13-02-2014 03:13PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

and as I already said, theres a club structure alongside the schools one.

And what school do most people who play for the clubs of Old Belvedere. Wesley College, Marys, Terenure, Monkstown generally come from?

everdead.ie · 13-02-2014 03:13PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

Exactly. The amount of times i've been belittled for being involved in a GAA club in a fee paying school stronghold in south Dublin is ridiclous

Oh so is this the real issue you have been belittled by a small sub section of south Dublin kids because you like GAA?

That's really ridiculous in reality GAA is massive in Ireland and there is hardly any shame in being involved but to take out your frustration at the rest of the country who play the sport and watch just because you were bullied by a small sub section is hardly fair.

Riskymove · 13-02-2014 03:13PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

Schools im talking about

but why?

Yes the most succesful schools in the Leinster Cup are these traditionally fee-paying types ......but thats because for many years, that is who had rugby as an option in schools

these also expanded to the likes of Christian Brothers schools etc (and by the way plenty of other schools take part and over time will improve imo)

As they are the schools that focus on Rugby its always likely they will produce the best players via coaching etc

HooohRaaah · 13-02-2014 03:14PM

everdead.ie wrote: »

Oh so is this the real issue you have been belittled by a small sub section of south Dublin kids because you like GAA?

That's really ridiculous in reality GAA is massive in Ireland and there is hardly any shame in being involved but to take out your frustration at the rest of the country who play the sport and watch just because you were bullied by a small sub section is hardly fair.

When did I say that?

HooohRaaah · 13-02-2014 03:15PM

How come we've never had one working class rugby player from Dublin in the Irish set up?

Riskymove · 13-02-2014 03:15PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

And what school do most people who play for the clubs of Old Belvedere. Wesley College, Marys, Terenure, Monkstown generally come from?

tbh...at this point I think you have more of an issue with feepaying schools and the people who attend them than you do with rugby itself

Guy:Incognito · 13-02-2014 03:15PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

And what school do most people who play for the clubs of Old Belvedere. Wesley College, Marys, Terenure, Monkstown generally come from?

What relevance is that. As we've already shown, but you chose to ignore, there are plenty of clubs in Dublin and everywhere else in the country where anyone can join and play. Sean O'Brien managed just fine coming up through Tullow RFC.

Inspector Coptoor · 13-02-2014 03:16PM

Balmed Out wrote: »

That's exactly the attitude that causes so many people to unfairly dislike rugby.

If for whatever weird reason you feel the need to belittle sports you don't like it says more about you then anyone else. That goes for both sides of this argument.

I'm not belittling.
I've been at the last two All Ireland finals as a card carrying mayo man.
I go to croker to watch the Dubs play hurling and football cause I live in Dublin.

I love sport. Full stop.
I grew up playing GAA football in Conmacht.
I've played a little rugby but I prefer it as a game as there is a position for everyone, regardless of body shape or size.
The same can't be said for football or hurling.

NTMK · 13-02-2014 03:16PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

Because a Russian Billionaire owns Chelsea and pays a fortune for players.

Why are only fee paying schools good at rugby? Does a Russian billionaire own Blackrock College?

Fee paying schools are better at rugby because fee paying schools have better facilities and coaching due to being privately funded

Few public schools can afford €2000+ for a scrum machine for example. Our school only had one because it was a handmedown from Connacht

The best schools attract the best players as they are the best way to catch the attention of scouts. I moved from my local club to another for this purpose and it got me a call-up. I would have done the same at schools if it was nessesary but then again i was only interested in playing for connacht.

Same happens in GAA your not going to make a county squad if your playing Junior C in a competative county

Investment in training reaps rewards in all sports Private schools invest alot more than any public school could. it still doesnt stop you from making the provincial squads though

HooohRaaah · 13-02-2014 03:16PM

Riskymove wrote: »

tbh...at this point I think you have more of an issue with feepaying schools and the people who attend them than you do with rugby itself

It's all intertwined

dub_skav · 13-02-2014 03:17PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

Exactly. The amount of times i've been belittled for being involved in a GAA club in a fee paying school stronghold in south Dublin is ridiclous

What's a fee paying school stronghold when it's at home?

You have an issue with rugby and you are twisting any and all arguments to suit your agenda.
It's quite bizarre and I have to commend your energy.

everdead.ie · 13-02-2014 03:17PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

When did I say that?

belittled for being involved in a GAA club in a fee paying school stronghold in south Dublin

I assumed you were belittled by said fee paying school kids I may have misinterpreted but I believe my point stands the rest of us play rugby as well.

Here is an image of total and senior players in Ireland 153,000 players is hardly small numbers
IRB+Player+Numbers.jpg

HooohRaaah · 13-02-2014 03:17PM

How come we've never had one working class player from Dublin play for Ireland.
I thought this place was "Rugby Country"

Dyr · 13-02-2014 03:17PM

So I've think we've established a few things kids:

Rugby in Ireland, is primarily a rich kid sport. Though that may be changing with the rise of the professional game and money being pumped into development. Time will tell.

Many, many rugby fans are blow ins and wannabes. They made it through the first 30 years of their life with feck all interest in the sport and suddenly became fans once the pro game took off. There's an element of social aspiration in all this band wagon jumping

As a sport, rugby is difficult to understand rule wise but it's fairly easy to master the basic skills. Unlike soccer, easy to understand, difficult to master. Or hurling, which, of course, is the epitome of mastery.

All in all a good thread. Would recommend to others

3DataModem · 13-02-2014 03:18PM

sullivlo wrote: »

I'm female. Catholic (seeing how it's important to my ability to follow a sport).

From the northside. Not anywhere fancy. Working class.

I play rugby. I follow rugby. I have a Leinster season ticket.

It's not only the d4 boys.

I follow Leinster and Ireland. I like to see the other provinces do well. Irish provinces are made up of Irish players mostly. The Irish team are Irish lads. The same cannot be said for the soccer team.

Somewhere my head is screaming at me that the OP (& others on this thread) think that we are losing out on seeing coverage of the English premier league in the media. Liverpool? Man united? Bandwagon man city and chelski fans?

I also follow league of Ireland soccer. Not much in the news about that.

If you don't like reading about rugby, don't read the pages!

Yes, but you can't play football according to the GAA, so you've no choice but to follow rugby. :rolleyes:

Guy:Incognito · 13-02-2014 03:18PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

How come we've never had one working class rugby player from Dublin in the Irish set up?

We could use Trevor Brennan but unfortunately Leixlip happens to be in Kildare.

When the pool of players increases , the number making it big will, but then you know that, regardless of what way you choose to drag it elsewhere.

wp_rathead · 13-02-2014 03:19PM

I'm confused about purpose of this thread..

Started out about Time Media Dedicate to Sport in Relation to Populararity.. at this moment, rugby is very popular, mainly due to success of our Provinces in HEC- although always been strong following for Irish rugby team from all 4 corners of the island..

The thread has now decended into a "they posh so don't like them" wankfest - aided on by people belittling other sports such as GAA and soccer which really help no one

In truth the thread hadn't a hope with such an immature Title and OP

3DataModem · 13-02-2014 03:19PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

How come we've never had one working class player from Dublin play for Ireland.
I thought this place was "Rugby Country"

Define 'working class'?

Is that 'parents have a job' or 'parents have a bad job'?

HooohRaaah · 13-02-2014 03:19PM

3DataModem wrote: »

Define 'working class'?

Is that 'parents have a job' or 'parents have a bad job'?

Someone who is from what is a stereotypical working class area & went to a non fee paying school

HooohRaaah · 13-02-2014 03:20PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

We could use Trevor Brennan but unfortunately Leixlip happens to be in Kildare.

When the pool of players increases , the number making it big will, but then you know that, regardless of what way you choose to drag it elsewhere.

One players is all you can come up with. I was waiting on someone to name aul Trev.

3DataModem · 13-02-2014 03:21PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

Someone who is from what is a stereotypical working class area & went to a non fee paying school

OK. Malcolm O'Kelly.

dub_skav · 13-02-2014 03:21PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

Someone who is from what is a stereotypical working class area & went to a non fee paying school

Well Des Fitzgerald went to a non fee paying school and played rugby there, then went on to play for Ireland - and the Lions

The fact that he sent his son to Blackrock is his own business.

FTA69 · 13-02-2014 03:22PM

Bambi wrote: »

Rugby in Ireland, is primarily a rich kid sport. Though that may be changing with the rise of the professional game and money being pumped into development. Time will tell.

I'd say it's half and half nowadays. I went to a normal working class school in Dungarvan for a while and many of the lads there played with a rugby club outside of school. These were ordinary people who just found the sport a great laugh and got stuck in. Dungarvan would hardly be known as a wealthy enclave like. Most of the prominent clubs in Cork and Dublin would be rich-kid brigades for the most part though in my opinion.

Many, many rugby fans are blow ins and wannabes. They made it through the first 30 years of their life with feck all interest in the sport and suddenly became fans once the pro game took off. There's an element of social aspiration in all this band wagon jumping

Maybe. There's also the possibility someone just took an interest in a game they like. I was never a mad soccer fan but I do support my local team (Spurs) and go to the odd match as I enjoy a game of ball. It doesn't make me an insincere bastard for doing so.

Or hurling, which, of course, is the epitome of mastery.

That'd be boxing!

errlloyd · 13-02-2014 03:22PM

I don't think the infrastructure required to play rugby is more expensive than GAA. In face the pitch is smaller so surely it's cheaper? I guess the best schools teams have access to gyms and scrummaging machines so maybe that's the difference.

I'm a massive rugby fan, and I understand the game can be very boring to watch. (not as boring as soccer in my mind, but that is personal preference.) nothing is worse than say the first forty against Samoa when we have like 15 scrums. For casual fans a lot of the laws are really confusing and pedantic. There are some rules that commentators still have to explain to me - and the rules are flexible. They change reasonably regularly.

However rugby is changing. While at school level it's slow, because a school with a gaa tradition has no reason to change and schools can't focus on more than one or two sports, rugby is increasingly starting to pick up players coming through clubs, and rugby clubs are becoming non traditional. Tallaght is one of the quickest growing clubs in Ireland. It has some of the soundest lads playing out there to a pretty good level.

To the guy who compared a child dreaming of an all Ireland final to a child dreaming of Leinster Zebre. You compared the most glorious clash in your sport to the most boring in mine. As a kid today watching Ireland play rugby you could dream of a world cup final. **** it, as a 12 yr old today you could dream of a Rugby world cup final in Croke Park in 2023.

To the person who said the gaa aren't worried about rugby. First I'd say, good they shouldn't be. The two sports can compliment each other. It's nice to see groundshares starting, the overlap is so small it should be possible. But secondly, while Dublin v Kerry attracted 30,000 it's a marquee fixture. Very comparable to Leinster v Munster in the league, which attracts about the same if not more. What perhaps should be noted though is that gate figures for rugby games are up about 5000 percent on 10 years ago, and still rising.

awec · 13-02-2014 03:22PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

No because good GAA schools aren't fee paying. Likewise with soccer. Everyone is equal. There is no equality in grass roots rugby. You basically need to have gone to a fee paying school to succeed. If not then you're screwed

This "everyone is equal" is such a tired, nonsense cliché.

I have as much chance of togging out for Dublin as I have of togging out for Leinster.

HooohRaaah · 13-02-2014 03:24PM

3DataModem wrote: »

OK. Malcolm O'Kelly.

Malcolm O'Kelly is from Templeouge what's your point?

awec · 13-02-2014 03:25PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

Malcolm O'Kelly is from Templeouge what's your point?

Never mind his point, I'm not entirely sure you know what your own point is. You're all over the show.

3DataModem · 13-02-2014 03:25PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

Malcolm O'Kelly is from Templeouge what's your point?

In what sense is that not a working class area? Or does it have to be inner-city to qualify?

HooohRaaah · 13-02-2014 03:28PM

3DataModem wrote: »

In what sense is that not a working class area? Or does it have to be inner-city to qualify?

Everyone knows Templeouge isn't a working class area.

How come we've yet to have an international or Leinster player from Tallaght, Clondalkin, Coolock, Rialto and the likes.

The D4 Media/ Posh Boys and Irish Rugby – Spoon feeding the masses

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