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Hitchens · 12-02-2014 01:14PM #1

May be the genuine article after all

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/turin-shroud-may-date-from-time-of-jesus-30003189.html

Canis Lupus · 12-02-2014 01:17PM

Meh... It's just a dirty towel whatever way you look at it.

Iwasfrozen · 12-02-2014 01:19PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Meh... It's just a dirty towel whatever way you look at it.

No it really isn't, you're just being disingenuous sake of it.

Mr.McLovin · 12-02-2014 01:19PM

that was a bit of a let down, thought they were gonna clone him

Ghost Buster · 12-02-2014 01:22PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

No it really isn't, you're just being disingenuous sake of it.

But it really is. Its a piece of material (not a towel but meh) and its dirty. Maybe its also magic but it IS a dirty material.

Hitchens · 12-02-2014 01:25PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Meh... It's just a dirty towel whatever way you look at it.

You'd be dirty too if you were 2000 years old

Mr Freeze · 12-02-2014 01:25PM

That articles reads like some sort of Sci Fi.

Radiation emissions, carbon-14 isotopes, X-Rays, Neutrons, etc...

F**kin' wha?

Donkey Oaty · 12-02-2014 01:27PM

Have they tested it for miraculous healing powers? That'd prove it is genuine.

irish_goat · 12-02-2014 01:28PM

Mr Freeze wrote: »

That articles reads like some sort of Sci Fi.

Radiation emissions, carbon-14 isotopes, X-Rays, Neutrons, etc...

F**kin' wha?

I love that, when it suits, religious folk are happy to use science to try and prove quackery like this.

the_monkey · 12-02-2014 01:29PM

Yes it dates from the time of Jesus therefore it has to be Jesus , has to be , can't be anyone else - not any other of the 1000's of men around that time that were crucified and had beards....

-edit also it's funny how religious people will accept science when it prooves something like this is from the time frame they want it to be.

12-02-2014 01:29PM

I cant believe i read that stupid irish daily mail(sorry independent article) anyway I did read it. Which is more than the articles editor it would seem.

Found this brilliant line in it too

Last year scientists at the University of Padua in northern Italy dated it to between 300BC and AD400 – still hundreds of years after Christ, who is believed to have died between 30-36AD.

:eek:

Agricola · 12-02-2014 01:30PM

I thought the thing was that the C14 dating was only allowed on a small piece of the very edge of the shroud, which they know believe could have been a medieval repair. They've never actually been able to test the centre of it, as they aren't allowed by the vatican.

Gotham · 12-02-2014 01:34PM

The Italian team believes the powerful magnitude 8.2 earthquake would have been strong enough to release neutron particles from crushed rock.

Not likely. Are they saying nuclear fission occurred from an earthquake?
Or are they saying that fussive radiation from the center of the earth escaped because of an earthquake.

Mr.McLovin · 12-02-2014 01:35PM

BG wis band wrote: »

Feck all this 'magic' talk. If it was used to wrap the body of a man who was called Jesus 2000-odd years ago, that's something that I find interesting anyway.

ah sure it could have been Zebidiah the serial rapist for all we know

Tzardine · 12-02-2014 01:35PM

The windows in my car keep fogging up no matter what I do. I have tried all sorts of cleaning products.

Maybe a bang of this cloth will do the job. We will see then if it has magic powers.

kneemos · 12-02-2014 01:38PM

Not a big fan of their idolatry and symbolism whatever it is,find it all weird.

Plazaman · 12-02-2014 01:38PM

Dr Google doesn't seem to help me here but I do remember about 10 years ago somebody trying hundreds of permutations of cloth types and inks, dirts, bloods and all sorts of others things and still were unable to recreate an image as clear as the shroud simply by pressing it against a person/mannequin.

They had said it would take brush strokes and physical drawing to get an image that clear. They weren't doubting the age of the cloth, just how whats on it, got on it.

Mr Freeze · 12-02-2014 01:39PM

irish_goat wrote: »

I love that, when it suits, religious folk are happy to use science to try and prove quackery like this.

Exactly. Use science when it suits then, and its a real stretch too to say
"an earthquake hid the fact it was older than carbon dating could prove, here's the science bit" /Bishop whisks his hair at the camera, cut to cool graphics showing the particles going into the shroud. :pac:

Muise... · 12-02-2014 01:51PM

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Exactly. Use science when it suits then, and its a real stretch too to say
"an earthquake hid the fact it was older than carbon dating could prove, here's the science bit" /Bishop whisks his hair at the camera, cut to cool graphics showing the particles going into the shroud. :pac:

In fairness, the Catholic Church is only against the applications of some scientific findings - eg stem cell research - unlike the various bible literalists who make up their own "science".

Knasher · 12-02-2014 01:54PM

This sounds to me like a group of scientists who are trying to promote their research and are using the press around the turin shroud to do so. They are the researchers who wrote a paper proposing this piezonuclear effect (not that I have any reason to doubt their original research), and now they are promoting it by exclaiming that "hey, maybe this explains the turin shroud", and that's all there seems to be to this.

The more plausible answer right now remains that it is a fake. Unless they get more evidence to back up this hypothesis, then that will remain the most likely explanation. I'm guessing we never hear about this again.

Hitchens · 12-02-2014 02:01PM

Irish people who scoff at the Shroud will go over the top buying Man Utd, L'pool, Chelsea etc, jerseys, for their children to worship at. Strange :rolleyes:

Muise... · 12-02-2014 02:03PM

Hitchens wrote: »

Irish people who scoff at the Shroud will go over the top buying Man Utd, L'pool, Chelsea etc, jerseys, for their children to worship at. Strange :rolleyes:

That's materialism, not though/belief, so nowhere near as bad as the tooth fairy/Santa Claus/homeopathy/Steiner school for parents who claim to have abandoned religion.

aujopimur · 12-02-2014 02:04PM

It's up there with the magic beans for me.

foggy_lad · 12-02-2014 02:05PM

The days when the poor huddled ignorant masses believed any of this hucus pocus bull from the church or its fanboys are long gone!

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 12-02-2014 02:06PM

Muise... wrote: »

That's materialism, not though/belief, so nowhere near as bad as the tooth fairy/Santa Claus/homeopathy/Steiner school for parents who claim to have abandoned religion.

Ah yes how dare non religious people make their kids happy. The pricks.

Muise... · 12-02-2014 02:09PM

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Ah yes how dare non religious people make their kids happy. The pricks.

Pretty sure kids would be happy with gifts received directly from their parents.

The parents are making themselves happy with a complex set of lies that their children will have to adopt once they realise the truth, in order to lie to the younger ones.

My point isn't that they're pricks; it's that most people who claim to have abandoned religion have merely abandoned the one they were saddled with at birth, and replaced it with all sorts of other religious crap from a smorgasbord of irrationality and comfort.

Temptamperu · 12-02-2014 02:09PM

Hitchens wrote: »

Irish people who scoff at the Shroud will go over the top buying Man Utd, L'pool, Chelsea etc, jerseys, for their children to worship at. Strange :rolleyes:

Man Utd, L'pool, Chelsea etc are real whereas your religion is not.

spurious · 12-02-2014 02:11PM

There was an earthquake in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus of Nazareth's death and no-one mentioned it until now?
I would have thought that, with rolling rocks from tombs and hands in people's sides would have merited a mention.

Hitchens · 12-02-2014 02:19PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

Man Utd, L'pool, Chelsea etc are real whereas your religion is not.

You're one of those parents then?

Temptamperu · 12-02-2014 02:21PM

spurious wrote: »

There was an earthquake in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus of Nazareth's death and no-one mentioned it until now?
I would have thought that, with rolling rocks from tombs and hands in people's sides would have merited a mention.

Lots of major stuff happened thats not "recorded". Well it was recorded, but the catholic church have destroyed anything that could compete with them and if they didnt destroy it they adopted it from earlier religions.

Hitchens wrote: »

You're one of those parents then?

I dont have or want children and i don't like sports, but at least that's real.

McDermotX · 12-02-2014 02:21PM

Pretty sure the idea of an earthquake around that period in the region is pretty well established at this stage.
Whether you believe Jesus (i.e. the one a lot of people believe in) was about at the same time, I don't think anyone can say, but there's more than enough evidence of geological upheaval in the region to strongly indicate earthquake activity.

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