Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 mod warning post #5144

ronjo · 11-02-2014 05:13PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

I do lately no matter how bad they are we always seem to play worse when we face them, the team needs to step up tomorrow for 1 to prove to everyone that horrific Liverpool performance was a once off and 2 to finally beat our United hoodoo and they will never have as poor a United team to do it against.

In work for tomorrow nights game not sure if i should be relieved or gutted to miss it.

This exactly. We always manage to balls it up the last few years.

Win tomorrow and we beat Liverpool.
Lose tomorrow and Sunday could be complete disaster.
Thats how I see it anyway.

Dolph Starbeam · 11-02-2014 05:15PM

I have a terrible feeling in the pit of my stomach about tomorrow nights game.

tayto lover · 11-02-2014 05:19PM

YayaBanana wrote: »

I have a terrible feeling in the pit of my stomach about tomorrow nights game.

This will be a test of the team and manager.

In my opinion a home draw is now not good enough. We have to win.

ronjo · 11-02-2014 05:20PM

YayaBanana wrote: »

I have a terrible feeling in the pit of my stomach about tomorrow nights game.

Tonight has to be looked on almost as a freebie.
Fully expect Chelsea to win........ Anything other than that does take pressure off us for tomorrow a bit.

DenMan · 11-02-2014 05:22PM

Can't wait for tomorrow night! I'm extremely optimistic! Wenger knows Arsenal need to show everyone we are a club to be reckoned with and it's important to bounce back positively after such a beating by Liverpool. I fully expect him to have the team in great spirits for the home game against Utd. We're gonna blitz them and finally put in a superb performance against Man Utd. COYG

tayto lover · 11-02-2014 05:24PM

DenMan wrote: »

Can't wait for tomorrow night! I'm extremely optimistic! Wenger knows Arsenal need to show everyone we are a club to be reckoned with and it's important to bounce back positively after such a beating by Liverpool. I fully expect him to have the team in great spirits for the home game against Utd. We're gonna blitz them and finally put in a superb performance against Man Utd. COYG

I would have expected Wenger to have them ready for Liverpool last Sat too and for all the previous United games., Alas it didn't happen.

emergingstar · 11-02-2014 05:34PM

tayto lover wrote: »

This will be a test of the team and manager.

In my opinion a home draw is now not good enough. We have to win.

Mentally a must win

But when it comes to the legaue we will still be tucked in there only 3 points off the top if we draw which wouldn't be too bad

Spanish Johnny · 11-02-2014 05:35PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I would have expected Wenger to have them ready for Liverpool last Sat too and for all the previous United games., Alas it didn't happen.

Nail on head.

emergingstar · 11-02-2014 05:35PM

Excellent read

http://wearethenorthbank.com/talented-mr-wilshere/

11-02-2014 05:42PM

emergingstar wrote: »

Excellent read

http://wearethenorthbank.com/talented-mr-wilshere/

Literally just read that minutes ago, somebody must have retweeted. Hes obviously thought about it a lot but I think its so far wide off the mark. Hes basically blaming Wilshere for Arteta's massive deficiencies and our wing backs having horror shows. You can't over simplify things like that at all. He also came to the conclusion that Jack's best position in this team is RW, that makes my brain melt. He was our best player through the Newcastle/Cardiff/Spurs/Villa/Fulham period of games, I find it hard to see him getting the blame when Arteta's looked incredibly inept for over a month. Just because Ramsey has the attributes to make Arteta look good doesn't mean we should expect the rest of our CMs to do so.

Actually the more I read that the more it annoys me. Hes completely ignored the role of our wingers in the defending. Wilshere's positioning made it easy for them to double up on our full backs? God forbid the wingers help out there.

Or maybe I'm just the universal defender of all things Jack Wilshere.

Marty McFly · 11-02-2014 05:44PM

AdamD wrote: »

Literally just read that minutes ago, somebody must have retweeted. Hes obviously thought about it a lot but I think its so far wide off the mark. Hes basically blaming Wilshere for Arteta's massive deficiencies and our wing backs having horror shows. You can't over simplify things like that at all. He also came to the conclusion that Jack's best position in this team is RW, that makes my brain melt. He was our best player through the Newcastle/Cardiff/Spurs/Villa/Fulham period of games, I find it hard to see him getting the blame when Arteta's looked incredibly inept for over a month. Just because Ramsey has the attributes to make Arteta look good doesn't mean we should expect the rest of our CMs to do so.

Actually the more I read that the more it annoys me. Hes completely ignored the role of our wingers in the defending. Wilshere's positioning made it easy for them to double up on our full backs? God forbid the wingers help out there.

Or maybe I'm just the universal defender of all things Jack Wilshere.

Nope I agree with you Wilshere has had an up and down season sometimes brilliant sometimes terrible but that article is a load of bollocks imo.

Spanish Johnny · 11-02-2014 05:46PM

AdamD wrote: »

Literally just read that minutes ago, somebody must have retweeted. Hes obviously thought about it a lot but I think its so far wide off the mark. Hes basically blaming Wilshere for Arteta's massive deficiencies and our wing backs having horror shows. You can't over simplify things like that at all. He also came to the conclusion that Jack's best position in this team is RW, that makes my brain melt. He was our best player through the Newcastle/Cardiff/Spurs/Villa/Fulham period of games, I find it hard to see him getting the blame when Arteta's looked incredibly inept for over a month. Just because Ramsey has the attributes to make Arteta look good doesn't mean we should expect the rest of our CMs to do so.

Actually the more I read that the more it annoys me. Hes completely ignored the role of our wingers in the defending. Wilshere's positioning made it easy for them to double up on our full backs? God forbid the wingers help out there.

Or maybe I'm just the universal defender of all things Jack Wilshere.

Exactly - some good points there.

We lose one game in a hammering and suddenly Jack Wilshere is the source of the teams 'woes'.

He didn't play against Southampton and we drew and played badly.

We won the previous 5/6 games he played in where he made significant impact.

Lazy and reactionary IMO too.

shano_88 · 11-02-2014 05:52PM

I think in the summer we should really looking at two main positions. A center forward and a replacement for Arteta.

Arteta has been very good for us over the past 2 and a half years and he can still play a part over the next year or 2 but he is not a world class deep lying midfielder and he is never going to be given his age, lack of engine and pace.

smileyj1987 · 11-02-2014 05:54PM

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

Exactly - some good points there.

We lose one game in a hammering and suddenly Jack Wilshere is the source of the teams 'woes'.

He didn't play against Southampton and we drew and played badly.

We won the previous 5/6 games he played in where he made significant impact.

Lazy and reactionary IMO too.

I'm just going to say you can't blame any arsenal player for what happened on Saturday . It was a case of Liverpool being awesome and arsenal having a bad game . So you can't blame it on one player . If wilshere was for sale in the morning I would like Liverpool to put a bid in for him because he is a good / great player .

Spanish Johnny · 11-02-2014 05:54PM

shano_88 wrote: »

I think in the summer we should really looking at two main positions. A center forward and a replacement for Arteta.

Arteta has been very good for us over the past 2 and a half years and he can still play a part over the next year or 2 but he is not a world class deep lying midfielder and he is never going to be given his age, lack of engine and pace.

Wouldn't disagree with ya there. Not writing off Arteta or Flamini yet - huge roles to play but we do need to be looking at the 23/24 year old enforcer there like Chelsea have acquired in Matic.

emergingstar · 11-02-2014 05:56PM

AdamD wrote: »

Literally just read that minutes ago, somebody must have retweeted. Hes obviously thought about it a lot but I think its so far wide off the mark. Hes basically blaming Wilshere for Arteta's massive deficiencies and our wing backs having horror shows. You can't over simplify things like that at all. He also came to the conclusion that Jack's best position in this team is RW, that makes my brain melt. He was our best player through the Newcastle/Cardiff/Spurs/Villa/Fulham period of games, I find it hard to see him getting the blame when Arteta's looked incredibly inept for over a month. Just because Ramsey has the attributes to make Arteta look good doesn't mean we should expect the rest of our CMs to do so.

Actually the more I read that the more it annoys me. Hes completely ignored the role of our wingers in the defending. Wilshere's positioning made it easy for them to double up on our full backs? God forbid the wingers help out there.

Or maybe I'm just the universal defender of all things Jack Wilshere.

Good post

I don't take everything he writes as true but intend to agree with jacks positioning and how is hardly ever available for the ball when were building he is always way to far up the field

I also agree against the weaker team jack can play centrally but against the big teams he is bit of a liability at the moment

I think having to play arteta and jack in midfield were playing two players who are not playing very well at moment and that's a recipe for disaster

Marty McFly · 11-02-2014 05:58PM

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

Wouldn't disagree with ya there. Not writing off Arteta or Flamini yet - huge roles to play but we do need to be looking at the 23/24 year old enforcer there like Chelsea have acquired in Matic.

We were looking at Bender during the summer so maybe we will go back in for him again this summer.

A the moment I certainly prefer Flamini in there over Arteta shame he's not back for the game tomorrow.

emergingstar · 11-02-2014 05:58PM

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

Wouldn't disagree with ya there. Not writing off Arteta or Flamini yet - huge roles to play but we do need to be looking at the 23/24 year old enforcer there like Chelsea have acquired in Matic.

Agree said it here last week, buy the next best thing bed him in next year while also utilising arteta/flamini

shano_88 · 11-02-2014 05:59PM

emergingstar wrote: »

Good post

I don't take everything he writes as true but intend to agree with jacks positioning and how is hardly ever available for the ball when were building he is always way to far up the field

I also agree against the weaker team jack can play centrally but against the big teams he is bit of a liability at the moment

I think having to play arteta and jack in midfield were playing two players who are not playing very well at moment and that's a recipe for disaster

There could be a case for playing Rosicky and Arteta in cm agaisnt United and have Wilshere further forward.

greendom · 11-02-2014 06:00PM

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

Exactly - some good points there.

We lose one game in a hammering and suddenly Jack Wilshere is the source of the teams 'woes'.

He didn't play against Southampton and we drew and played badly.

We won the previous 5/6 games he played in where he made significant impact.

Lazy and reactionary IMO too.

As I posted earlier Jack wasn't great against Man U, but he always seems to take a while to get back to his normal game after injury. He was only out for a short while so I'm hopeful he'll be back to his best tomorrow.

What really annoyed me though was why he stayed on after he received that nasty knock in the Coventry game. The game was won at that point and he should have been subsituted. Had he been, he might not have missed the Southampton game and then performed below par at Anfield

tayto lover · 11-02-2014 06:00PM

shano_88 wrote: »

I think in the summer we should really looking at two main positions. A center forward and a replacement for Arteta.

Arteta has been very good for us over the past 2 and a half years and he can still play a part over the next year or 2 but he is not a world class deep lying midfielder and he is never going to be given his age, lack of engine and pace.

I would like a flying left winger too.
When Walcott returns we'll be ok on the right.
We are not getting in behind defenders and are easy to play against at the moment.

emergingstar · 11-02-2014 06:04PM

shano_88 wrote: »

There could be a case for playing Rosicky and Arteta in cm agaisnt United and have Wilshere further forward.

With what ozil and cazorla either side of him

I like it but it's very very attacking

Marty McFly · 11-02-2014 06:05PM

emergingstar wrote: »

With what ozil and cazorla either side of him

I like it but it's very very attacking

I don't know think that would be a bit to flat would rather Pod, Ox or Gnabry on at least one of the wings to offer us something a bit different.

ugsparky · 11-02-2014 06:07PM

Win or nothing - let's be honest - this is the worst Utd set-up in years. We produced nothing at Old Trafford and were beaten - had we put in that performance against City or Liverpool we would have been beaten 6-3 or 5-1. Even with Mata Utd are in mid table form. If we don't take three points and kill them off once and for all we can forget winning a Premiership. They have two or three good players - after that they are ordinary with an ordinary manager. No reason to fear them - only RvP, Rooney and Mata. We have better midfield players and defenders and Giroud should fancy playing against their defence. Get out and kill them like we did against Napoli or Liverpool (at home).

Last Saturday was just one of those days when everything went right for Liverpool and nothing went right for us. But we have only ourselves and the manager to blame for that. Why he didn't start Rosicky and Arteta in Midfield is a mystery. After that it would have been Jack and Santi or Ozil with an instruction to Ox to lie on Gerard and not to give him time. We sent out a "home team" in a tough away game to a ground where the home teams record was excellent !!!

Any way I think we all expected to lose at least one game before the season's end and probably a draw or two as well. My hope is that the Liverpool game is the game we lose and we'll get a point off Chelsea and beat City at home. I think City and Chelsea could also lose/drop points to Liverpool - Utd could damage City further and the S***s could damage Chelsea. But all will count for nowt unless we beat Utd. I'd take a 1-0 but I'd prefer to beat them 2-0 or 3-1. We are due a good game against them but if we go out and give them a sniff they'll get confident and dig in for a win. I think Arsene needs to tell our guys - you're playing for places in next years squad - players are coming in the summer - no pussyfooting - these are players on huge money being watched by fans paying huge ticket prices. Hope you're reading this Ozil, Giroud and Santi - International players up against a has been Utd defence and a poor midfield.

COYG - restore the pride and show everyone we are genuine contenders.

emergingstar · 11-02-2014 06:07PM

And for the record I not writing off jack

He is not as his best but I'm sure he will turn out to be world class

He just needs some time

Spanish Johnny · 11-02-2014 06:08PM

Getting at them down their left hand side is our best option even without Theo. Would like Ox or Gnabry.

Posted here on Sunday evening about Evra's positioning and Vidic is playing left centre back. Will be lots of chances for us to get in behind there and expose Vidic's lack of pace and Evra's indiscipline.

emergingstar · 11-02-2014 06:21PM

I have a feeling wenger will throw gnabry in at the deep end

We need a threat in behind could be like what he did the the ox a few years ago

Gringo180 · 11-02-2014 06:26PM

Ill be devastated if we dont win 2moro night, it will feel like another case of deja vu for us in that when theres the possibility of some silverware up for grabs at the back end of the season we implode. People moan on here about pundits not taking us seriously, but can we blame them with our track record they past 6 or 7 seasons?? Its a must win game but my heart says a 0-0 draw with us having plenty of the ball but unable to break them down.

11-02-2014 06:30PM

emergingstar wrote: »

I have a feeling wenger will throw gnabry in at the deep end

We need a threat in behind could be like what he did the the ox a few years ago

My only issue with Gnabry, who is very very impressive, is that he never runs in behind. I think the Ox might provide more of that and even then they are a far cry from the Theo/Freddie mold. I watched a few Arsenal compilations last night and its just depressing to see how much Theo had been stretching defences before his injuries

Hoping to see Gibbs tomorrow night too, definitely above Nacho for me and adds in some badly needed pace.

Marty McFly · 11-02-2014 06:32PM

AdamD wrote: »

My only issue with Gnabry, who is very very impressive, is that he never runs in behind. I think the Ox might provide more of that and even then they are a far cry from the Theo/Freddie mold. I watched a few Arsenal compilations last night and its just depressing to see how much Theo had been stretching defences before his injuries

Hoping to see Gibbs tomorrow night too, definitely above Nacho for me and adds in some badly needed pace.

I agree I'm hoping in time Gnabry will do this more though it took Theo years to get good at it. Hopefully it won't take Gnabry as long for me he is ahead of were Theo was at that age.

Ox I'm hoping can start making them runs as well but I guess that depends more on were Wenger sees him playing in the future more centrally or out on the wing.

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