Finally I have abandoned Google Gaelic Maps

Bigcheeze · 09-02-2014 11:59PM

MadsL wrote: »

I don't know. Do you think that a free service should invest time and money into making sure their machine-translation machine is turned on and off for the exceptions that annoy you?

Yes

Artful_Badger · 09-02-2014 11:59PM

MadsL wrote: »

I find it hysterical that after Irish placenames were comprehensively renamed on maps made by the Irish Survey of 1824-1846 by British Army Sappers, people are now bitching about Google changing them back.

Too funny.

Jesus Christ that was 170 years ago man let it go....

MadsL · 10-02-2014 12:02AM

Bigcheeze wrote: »

Yes

Seriously??

You think Google should edit the maps to exclude those placenames.

You are having a giraffe..(oh wait wrong thread)

MadsL · 10-02-2014 12:02AM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Jesus Christ that was 170 years ago man let it go....

I'm chuckling at the level of butthurt about a free service, not holding any grudge.

Artful_Badger · 10-02-2014 12:08AM

MadsL wrote: »

I'm chuckling at the level of butthurt about a free service, not holding any grudge.

This is a free service, do you not currently have a feedback thread trying to change things that annoy you ?

Google makes a lot of money through users using its services. Its not really free when you're opting in to have your info gathered, stored and sold and get peppered with ads. People have every right to complain or try to change serviced to better match what they need.

Herb Powell · 10-02-2014 12:09AM

The intense hatred displayed by many on here for the Irish language really baffles me.

Is it really that offensive to ye?

Piliger · 10-02-2014 12:13AM

Herb Powell wrote: »

The intense hatred displayed by many on here for the Irish language really baffles me.

Is it really that offensive to ye?

Don't be so childish. Where has anyone mentioned they are offended ? No one. You just made it up.

I just want the language of the people of Ireland to be used on Google Maps. Not the ancient language that some nationalists are attached to. The language of the people, 90% of them. I don't want Spanish, French or Mongolian. I don't want Irish. Simple.

MadsL · 10-02-2014 12:13AM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

This is a free service, do you not currently have a feedback thread trying to change things that annoy you ?

Eh? Both you and I pay for this service.

Bigcheeze · 10-02-2014 12:14AM

MadsL wrote: »

Seriously??

You think Google should edit the maps to exclude those placenames.

You are having a giraffe..(oh wait wrong thread)

They're not place names, in the sense that nobody uses them and very few people recognise them.

Ultimately the only problem I have with them is it makes google maps difficult to use.

Tokyo · 10-02-2014 12:14AM

Piliger wrote: »

One screenshot

You realise that the streetnames in your screenshot are in Irish AND English, yes?

TOMP · 10-02-2014 12:14AM

So apart from the history lessons, the smart answers and the trolling, does anyone know why some people are seeing all English names and others are seeing mixed Irish/English names on google Maps? My location is Ireland and the language is set to English and I am seeing mixed streetnames. Are Google playing tricks?

Piliger · 10-02-2014 12:15AM

LordSutch wrote: »

English is our main language, not Irish, not by a long shot . . .

Nearly all Irish people speak English, & some choose to speak Irish.

Some ? A tiny tiny number. More probably speak french.

I have no problem with getting Google to make an Irish language version. They have succeeded in getting an Irish language google search I believe ... so what about maps. Leave the rest of us with our own language, English.

MadsL · 10-02-2014 12:15AM

Piliger wrote: »

Don't be so childish. Where has anyone mentioned they are offended ? No one. You just made it up.

I just want the language of the people of Ireland to be used on Google Maps. Not the ancient language that some nationalists are attached to. The language of the people, 90% of them. I don't want Spanish, French or Mongolian. I don't want Irish. Simple.

Would I be entitled to complain about Spanish street names in Albuquerque do you think?

Plenty of people have enough Irish to understand street names.

Tokyo · 10-02-2014 12:16AM

TOMP wrote: »

So apart from the history lessons, the smart answers and the trolling, does anyone know why some people are seeing all English names and others are seeing mixed Irish/English names on google Maps? My location is Ireland and the language is set to English and I am seeing mixed streetnames. Are Google playing tricks?

Google are working on it, apparently.

https://productforums.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!category-topic/maps/new-feature-suggestions/OyapLaxFU3c

From that link:

Sorry - this was a mistake on our end and we're working on fixing it. The names should be back to how they were before soon.

Artful_Badger · 10-02-2014 12:17AM

MadsL wrote: »

Eh? Both you and I pay for this service.

No we dont. We subscribe for extra's. The service is free.

dotsman · 10-02-2014 12:17AM

Herb Powell wrote: »

The intense hatred displayed by many on here for the Irish language really baffles me.

Is it really that offensive to ye?

Not, but:

having it forced upon us;
it replacing thousands of hours of education where we might have learned knowledge/skills useful to us later in life;
it potentially preventing a highly intelligent, educated purpose from continuing their education;
it being used in street names/maps/public transport where it serves no purpose other than to confuse people; and
having smug comments by backwards-thinking people who somehow think a desire/ability to speak a dead language makes them more "oirish" than the rest of the population

...really pisses us Irish people off.

MadsL · 10-02-2014 12:21AM

mike_ie wrote: »

Google are working on it, apparently.

https://productforums.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!category-topic/maps/new-feature-suggestions/OyapLaxFU3c

From that link:

Thank God, the people were about to take to the streets in protest.

Yellowblackbird · 10-02-2014 12:22AM

It's a basic principle of cartography that a map should be in one language.
Having a mixture of languages on one map means that only people that speak all those languages can read the map. Some people speak both Irish and English. The vast majority of people in the country speak one or the other. Therefore the map becomes unusable. Especially when time is a factor.

MadsL · 10-02-2014 12:23AM

Piliger wrote: »

Some ? A tiny tiny number. More probably speak french.
.

130,000 is not a tiny number.

Piliger · 10-02-2014 12:24AM

mike_ie wrote: »

Google are working on it, apparently.

https://productforums.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!category-topic/maps/new-feature-suggestions/OyapLaxFU3c

From that link:

Can;t spot where they said that ... can you post a direct link ? tks.

I notice in the New Google Maps they are back to correct english.

Tokyo · 10-02-2014 12:24AM

MadsL wrote: »

Thank God, the people were about to take to the streets in protest.

Google posted that in 2009....

MadsL · 10-02-2014 12:25AM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

No we dont. We subscribe for extra's. The service is free.

Very well. Complaining about a free service on a different free service.

MadsL · 10-02-2014 12:25AM

mike_ie wrote: »

Google posted that in 2009....

To the streets!!!!

Peregrine · 10-02-2014 12:29AM

MadsL wrote: »

Would I be entitled to complain about Spanish street names in Albuquerque do you think?

Plenty of people have enough Irish to understand street names.

MadsL, if the names on the streets are in Spanish and people use the Spanish names to this day, then maps should show the Spanish names. In Dublin, you wouldn't ask for directions to Sráid Dhoiminic Íochtarach. You'd get laughed at and you'd be lost.

The whole point of a map is to give clear directions and if it's in the wrong language or cluttered with bilingual names, then it renders the map useless. Maybe we have no other choice but to clutter our roadsigns with two languages but this is an online map, it's not that hard to allow the user to choose one language and one language only. I think it is a reasonable complaint.

Carlos Orange · 10-02-2014 12:39AM

Piliger wrote: »

Can;t spot where they said that ... can you post a direct link ? tks.

I notice in the New Google Maps they are back to correct english.

The New Google Maps sprinkles in Irish too but to a lesser degree.

MadsL · 10-02-2014 12:39AM

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

MadsL, if the names on the streets are in Spanish and people use the Spanish names to this day, then maps should show the Spanish names. In Dublin, you wouldn't ask for directions to Sráid Dhoiminic Íochtarach. You'd get laughed at and you'd be lost.

Then why have the LUAS stops also been named in Irish? Also I bet someone would easily understand that you mean Dominick Street Lower, I don't speak Irish, nor did I study it in school, yet I have an understanding of the street name. And if you walk to that street you will find a sign like this:

http://www.philcleary.com.au/photos/Hist_Maire_DorsetSign.jpg

If the street sign says it, why shouldn't google maps?

Peregrine · 10-02-2014 12:45AM

MadsL wrote: »

Then why have the LUAS stops also been named in Irish? Also I bet someone would easily understand that you mean Dominick Street Lower, I don't speak Irish, nor did I study it in school, yet I have an understanding of the street name. And if you walk to that street you will find a sign like this:

http://www.philcleary.com.au/photos/Hist_Maire_DorsetSign.jpg

If the street sign says it, why shouldn't google maps?

Did you just totally ignore the second part of my post or did you read it first before ignoring it?

Yes, the street sign says it because it has to serve for both Irish and English speakers. Ideally, we wouldn't have to display everything two languages. I don't give a ****e what language the other one is by the way if you think I'm here with an anti-Irish agenda.

But this is an online map, not a physical street sign. You could provide the service to both groups separately rather than putting two languages into one map.

Like Yellowblackbird said, it's a basic principle of cartography that a map should be in one language.

Tokyo · 10-02-2014 12:49AM

MadsL wrote: »

Then why have the LUAS stops also been named in Irish? Also I bet someone would easily understand that you mean Dominick Street Lower, I don't speak Irish, nor did I study it in school, yet I have an understanding of the street name. And if you walk to that street you will find a sign like this:

http://www.philcleary.com.au/photos/Hist_Maire_DorsetSign.jpg

If the street sign says it, why shouldn't google maps?

Do you read both languages off each sign you encounter, or do you just pick the one you know best??

It's not a huge leap to let the users select which language they'd like the street names to be displayed in, either in their personal preferences, or a dropdown menu on the map page itself.

MadsL · 10-02-2014 12:53AM

mike_ie wrote: »

Do you read both languages off each sign you encounter, or do you just pick the one you know best??

It's not a huge leap to let the users select which language they'd like the street names to be displayed in, either in their personal preferences, or a dropdown menu on the map page itself.

But Google are displaying BOTH just like Dublin street signs do.

Non-issue really.

MadsL · 10-02-2014 12:55AM

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

MadsL, if the names on the streets are in Spanish and people use the Spanish names to this day, then maps should show the Spanish names.

Would it be offensive to also have them in English, this being America??

Finally I have abandoned Google Gaelic Maps

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