Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

floggg · 05-02-2014 02:59PM

No

darced wrote: »

Exactly my point the audience being a prime example.

No, they weren't.

Ash.J.Williams · 05-02-2014 03:02PM

No

vicwatson wrote: »

Still don't get why the person that supposedly libelled that institute didn't pay the money over instead of RTE/taxpayer - its a joke

RTE libeled because they failed to sort it out the second it happened...like on the bbc.

floggg · 05-02-2014 03:02PM

No

[Deleted User] wrote: »

:D

If I was into girls, I would be seriously confused after seeing the way he fills out a dress!

Annasopra · 05-02-2014 03:06PM

No

Daith wrote: »

That person is being sued as well.

We'll need truckloads of popcorn

Happyman42 · 05-02-2014 03:07PM

No

K-9 wrote: »

Ah yeah, the bould Pee Flynns daughter Beverly, last I heard nothing had been paid either!

Seriously? Is it being persued?

Ash.J.Williams · 05-02-2014 03:08PM

No

Cydoniac wrote: »

100% yes. When I came out, the only person amongst family/friends who had a serious issue with it was myself. I still had to play different variants of myself depending on where I was and who I was with. Hated myself for lying/checking my self for 'gayness' but was enveloped in a fear of perception too.

It's only in the last 2/3 months that I finally came to terms with myself, a real inner comfort rather than an external one.

I found that segment of the speech very thought provoking.

Zubeneschamali · 05-02-2014 03:26PM

No

Daith wrote: »

That person is being sued as well.

Well, maybe. What we know is that Panti received legal letters, that's not the same thing as being sued.

I would imagine Waters' and Iona's legal advisers will tell them to settle for the license payers moneysatisfaction they have received from RTÉ, and to not even consider getting into a court wrangle with Panti/Rory since:

a) They may lose, throwing away what they "won" when RTÉ buckled early and

b) Panti/Rory doesn't have a heap of license payers money to give them.

Sarky · 05-02-2014 03:28PM

No

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Well, maybe. What we know is that Panti received legal letters, that's not the same thing as being sued.

I would imagine Waters' and Iona's legal advisers will tell them to settle for the license payers moneysatisfaction they have received from RTÉ, and to not even consider getting into a court wrangle with Panti/Rory since:

a) They may lose, throwing away what they "won" when RTÉ buckled early and

b) Panti/Rory doesn't have a heap of license payers money to give them.

c) They've recieved global condemnation for going after RTÉ. Win or lose, going after Panti after all that is even more suicidal in terms of PR. They may as well be killing children live on television for all the optics it'll generate.

Obliq · 05-02-2014 03:39PM

No

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0205/502379-rte-iona/

MD Glen Killane speaks publicly about the case.

Sarky · 05-02-2014 03:44PM

No

MD of RTE says every available option was explored, including apology, right of reply, donation to a neutral charity. Iona Institute refuses all these in favour of being given money.

Breda O'Brien says it was never about the money.

One of these people is lying through their teeth. Oh, I wonder which one it could be.

lazygal · 05-02-2014 03:46PM

No

Sarky wrote: »

MD of RTE says every available option was explored, including apology, right of reply, donation to a neutral charity. Iona Institute refuses all these in favour of being given money.

Breda O'Brien says it was never about the money.

One of these people is lying through their teeth. Oh, I wonder which one it could be.

From what I understand, lies make baby Jesus cry.

Piliger · 05-02-2014 03:54PM

No

Sarky wrote: »

MD of RTE says every available option was explored, including apology, right of reply, donation to a neutral charity.

And we should DAMAND to see the legal advice.

Dyr · 05-02-2014 04:02PM

darced wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

I imagine you wouldn't have to

vicwatson · 05-02-2014 05:09PM

No

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Yeah, because that's the biggest issue here

It's AN issue, might not be your big issue, but it sets a dangerous precedence where RTE decide to use taxpayers funds in an out of court situation, Monsieur know it all.

floggg · 05-02-2014 05:41PM

No

vicwatson wrote: »

It's AN issue, might not be your big issue, but it sets a dangerous precedence where RTE decide to use taxpayers funds in an out of court situation, Monsieur know it all.

As Rory didn't say anything wrong he shouldn't pay anything.

I think what's being lost in this too often is how measured his clarification of what constituted homophobia actually was.

He primarily accused them of being mean and preventing others happiness.

To the extent Rory used the word homophobia, it was in the context of a discussion about how we are all homophobic to varying degrees.

el pasco · 05-02-2014 06:18PM

eviltwin wrote: »

I heard that RTE had to issue an apology to them last night. Funny how a group who make a living out of making rude and hurtful comments about others get so sensitive when someone else does it. Yes they are homophobic and the media shouldn't give them, or similar groups a platform.

Why not?

Piliger · 05-02-2014 06:39PM

No

floggg wrote: »

To the extent Rory used the word homophobia, it was in the context of a discussion about how we are all homophobic to varying degrees.

I am sorry but that is so much nonsense. And it also gives an out to the haters in Iona. The majority of people in this country are not homophobic to any extent whatsoever imho.

Obliq · 05-02-2014 07:03PM

No

Piliger wrote: »

I am sorry but that is so much nonsense. And it also gives an out to the haters in Iona. The majority of people in this country are not homophobic to any extent whatsoever imho.

I'm sorry now...but I don't think you've listened to Panti's speech? I know I (and I consider myself a proper right-on "some of my best friends are gay" woman), had to check in with myself plenty, after listening to his incredibly honest and insightful words. As did my Aunt, 70, when she watched the clip, 40 years a working artist in this country. (Proud niece here, in case anyone misses that

) And I quote:

"Thanks Obliq, all I'd heard was that RTE had paid someone for something connected with a show where the word homophobic had been used and exclaimed that the airwaves were open to free and frank debate. Of course when you hear that you know they mean the opposite. However, from listening to the video the hypocrisy is far worse than I'd imagined.

A terrific call to all of us to examine our attitudes honestly.

Talk to you soon, A xxxx"

I'm calling you now to check in with yourself too. As we do, as emotionally mature people who wish to continue learning about themselves.

Piliger · 05-02-2014 07:24PM

No

Obliq wrote: »

I'm sorry now...but I don't think you've listened to Panti's speech? I know I (and I consider myself a proper right-on "some of my best friends are gay" woman), had to check in with myself plenty, after listening to his incredibly honest and insightful words. As did my Aunt, 70, when she watched the clip, 40 years a working artist in this country. (Proud niece here, in case anyone misses that ) And I quote:

"Thanks Obliq, all I'd heard was that RTE had paid someone for something connected with a show where the word homophobic had been used and exclaimed that the airwaves were open to free and frank debate. Of course when you hear that you know they mean the opposite. However, from listening to the video the hypocrisy is far worse than I'd imagined.

A terrific call to all of us to examine our attitudes honestly.

Talk to you soon, A xxxx"

I'm calling you now to check in with yourself too. As we do, as emotionally mature people who wish to continue learning about themselves.

I have no idea what all of that meant ... no offence .. however my comment was poorly worded.

I didn't mean the actual discussion of the suggestion "about how we are all homophobic to varying degrees" What I should have made clearer was that I was referring to the idea itself, that "we are all homophobic to varying degrees".

NuMarvel · 05-02-2014 07:28PM

No

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Well, maybe. What we know is that Panti received legal letters, that's not the same thing as being sued.

I would imagine Waters' and Iona's legal advisers will tell them to settle for the license payers moneysatisfaction they have received from RTÉ, and to not even consider getting into a court wrangle with Panti/Rory since:

a) They may lose, throwing away what they "won" when RTÉ buckled early and

b) Panti/Rory doesn't have a heap of license payers money to give them.

Seeing as how money isn't (allegedly) the primary issue for Waters and Iona, I'm sure they will continue with their legal proceedings against Panti. After all, she hasn't apologised to them at all, and it is their good name they want to protect.

No, I don't believe that for a second either...

tile_man · 05-02-2014 07:31PM

Piliger wrote: »

I am sorry but that is so much nonsense. And it also gives an out to the haters in Iona. The majority of people in this country are not homophobic to any extent whatsoever imho.

well im not sure what defines homophobia from your POV but id be of the opinion that majority of people are somewhat homophobic , being derogatory towards gays was the rule when I was growing up and im in my mid thirties

Obliq · 05-02-2014 07:40PM

No

Piliger wrote: »

I have no idea what all of that meant ... no offence .. however my comment was poorly worded.

I didn't mean the actual discussion of the suggestion "about how we are all homophobic to varying degrees" What I should have made clearer was that I was referring to the idea itself, that "we are all homophobic to varying degrees".

"The majority of people in this country are not homophobic to any extent whatsoever imho." Your quote.

No offence taken - not even on behalf of gay people....because you seem a bit muddled. I think we are all a bit homophobic to varying degrees - you have denied that (in your quote above). I referred you to Panti's speech to find out how, if we are honest with ourselves, we are all that bit homophobic (for want of a better word - perhaps ending in "ism") and hate ourselves a little bit for that. I referred you to my free-thinking aunt.

I personally, am taking Panti's congratulations on only being a little bit homophobic seriously, because it would be SO surprising if we weren't. Considering our overpoweringly homophobic culture that we were raised in...........right?!

floggg · 05-02-2014 07:45PM

No

Piliger wrote: »

I am sorry but that is so much nonsense. And it also gives an out to the haters in Iona. The majority of people in this country are not homophobic to any extent whatsoever imho.

Did you watch it?

As he said himself, it's similar to racism - whether we like it or not we are all a little bit racist.

His point is that we should recognise when we do and address it.

I cannot see anything to disagree with him on.

As a out and proud gay man, I recognise that I too can, at times, carry homophobic views. You can't help but pick them up from society.

If you listen to Panti's speech at the Abbey, you will see he recognises it in himself at times. It can be as subtle as when he wishes his friend would be just a little bit less gay on the train.

I would suggest watching both his Satruday night show appearance and his speech at the abbey before re-assessing my comments (they are both worth watching in themselves).

Annasopra · 05-02-2014 07:56PM

No

Obliq wrote: »

"The majority of people in this country are not homophobic to any extent whatsoever imho." Your quote.

No offence taken - not even on behalf of gay people....because you seem a bit muddled. I think we are all a bit homophobic to varying degrees - you have denied that (in your quote above). I referred you to Panti's speech to find out how, if we are honest with ourselves, we are all that bit homophobic (for want of a better word - perhaps ending in "ism") and hate ourselves a little bit for that. I referred you to my free-thinking aunt.

I personally, am taking Panti's congratulations on only being a little bit homophobic seriously, because it would be SO surprising if we weren't. Considering our overpoweringly homophobic culture that we were raised in...........right?!

Agreed.
Panti noted that she is homophobic.
I am sometimes homophobic.

That's what happens when there is a general culture of homophobia. There has been a culture of homophobia in Ireland emanating from religion, the media, the political system, the education system. It's a pervasiveness. Of course things have vastly changed in the last 25 years but the remnants of that culture still stay with many of us here in Ireland.

Only last year I listened to a speech by the Dundalk Outcomers manager where she acknowledged they are now assisting teenagers who are homeless. These teenagers have been kicked out of home by their parents because they are gay.

opinionated3 · 05-02-2014 08:04PM

Not really sure how I'd react if I found out my son/daughter was gay. ...

lazygal · 05-02-2014 08:10PM

No

opinionated3 wrote: »

Not really sure how I'd react if I found out my son/daughter was gay. ...

Really? Why?

I would love them and hope they'd know being gay is not something to worry about.

opinionated3 · 05-02-2014 08:14PM

Guess I am something of a traditionalist. Definitely wouldn't kick them out of the home or anything but I guess I would be somewhat disappointed. Certainly wouldn't allow boyfriends or girlfriends into the house. ..

hotmail.com · 05-02-2014 08:16PM

No

opinionated3 wrote: »

Guess I am something of a traditionalist. Definitely wouldn't kick them out of the home or anything but I guess I would be somewhat disappointed. Certainly wouldn't allow boyfriends or girlfriends into the house. ..

You have homophobic tendencies.

P_1 · 05-02-2014 08:17PM

No

opinionated3 wrote: »

Guess I am something of a traditionalist. Definitely wouldn't kick them out of the home or anything but I guess I would be somewhat disappointed. Certainly wouldn't allow boyfriends or girlfriends into the house. ..

Would you allow a son's girlfriend or a daughter's boyfriend into the house though out of interest?

lazygal · 05-02-2014 08:17PM

No

opinionated3 wrote: »

Guess I am something of a traditionalist. Definitely wouldn't kick them out of the home or anything but I guess I would be somewhat disappointed. Certainly wouldn't allow boyfriends or girlfriends into the house. ..

That's incredibly sad.

If your son or daughter was planning a civil partnership would you go?

Being traditional is not an excuse for treating gay offspring differently.

Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

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