Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

AerynSun · 05-02-2014 12:14AM

No

Cydoniac wrote: »

Maybe that can be a new, safe neknomination.

Kinda like the way Saffers do 'em:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-wztJ4m6xE

darced · 05-02-2014 12:14AM

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seenitall · 05-02-2014 12:18AM

No

You have lost me now altogether.I'm not replying to you again so please stop goading me,Im not playing the victim I just cant be bothered with people like you,thanks.

Cowabunga.....dude.

LOL. Fine, no more goading you.

Enjoy your evening!

Sarky · 05-02-2014 12:18AM

No

Relevant:

@SineadKeogh: Maybe we could neknominate all the homophobes to swallow a bottle of cop the **** on?

Annasopra · 05-02-2014 12:24AM

No

El Guapo! wrote: »

Who is this blogger guy on Vincent Brown? Talking out of his arse tbh.

He's an extreme right wing blogger.

He was a Fine Gael member but left them because of the abortion law.

Amongst other things he admires Michelle Bachman and calls women who've had abortions murderesses

http://thickerthantalk.blogspot.ie/

seenitall · 05-02-2014 12:27AM

No

Are you serious!?

Giving a guy like that a platform for anything... pure class.

Bannasidhe · 05-02-2014 12:31AM

No

mango salsa wrote: »

He's an extreme right wing blogger.

He was a Fine Gael member but left them because of the abortion law.

Amongst other things he admires Michelle Bachman and calls women who've had abortions murderesses

http://thickerthantalk.blogspot.ie/

I did find it interesting how he dismissed having being physically assaulted due to being gay as not homophobic with a shure that kind of thing happens casual attitude yet is all worked up about threats on Twitter....

Also - seemingly he, as a gay man, is safer walking the streets of Dublin than a woman... lucky there is no such thing as gay women or they would be in a world of trouble walking the streets of Dublin..... :eek:

The_Captain · 05-02-2014 12:32AM

mango salsa wrote: »

http://thickerthantalk.blogspot.ie/

Thicker than a lot of things by the look of it

EuskalHerria · 05-02-2014 12:39AM

No

seenitall wrote: »

Are you serious!?

Giving a guy like that a platform for anything... pure class.

Well John McGuirk pulled out. I only wish his father had too.

(Too Soon?)

seenitall · 05-02-2014 12:41AM

No

(Too Soon?)

No, I always like that joke.

Stark · 05-02-2014 01:02AM

No

EuskalHerria wrote: »

Well John McGuirk pulled out. I only wish his father had too.

(Too Soon?)

If his parents were pull out method practitioners it would explain quite a lot.

david75 · 05-02-2014 01:26AM

No

darced wrote: »

He did call the audience homophobic didnt he? The crowd laughing when they shouldnt have,would that be a homophobic response?

You're new here, aren't you

david75 · 05-02-2014 01:31AM

No

Move to have a basic intelligence and humanity test before bein allowed to post on boards. Where in all creations name so these I evolved yokels come from!??

darced · 05-02-2014 02:07AM

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floggg · 05-02-2014 08:07AM

No

mango salsa wrote: »

In fairness I understand Brophy is also Solicitor to Gilligan and Zappone

Really?

To me there is a clear conflict of interest in representing them both.

Edit - ok, not clear conflict. A potential one. I was still asleep.

floggg · 05-02-2014 08:24AM

No

mango salsa wrote: »

Were you at the busstop?

darced wrote: »

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In the context of the speech, that would be a fairly ridiculous conclusion.

darced wrote: »

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Shouldn't he have that right?

darced wrote: »

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how does it lessen his point in any way? try focussing on the words spoken and not on the out fit.

also, drag queens have always been on the forefront of lgbt civil rights issue. the first person to fight back at stonewall was a drag queen.

more power to them.

NuMarvel · 05-02-2014 08:53AM

No

floggg wrote: »

Really?

To me there is a clear conflict of interest in representing them both.

There would be a conflict if the firm was representing both of them at the same time or on the same issue, but it's 7 years since the Zappone/Gilligan case, and the issues are different; equality in one case, and alleged defamation in another.

And representing a client doesn't necessarily mean you agree with them. Even though Brophy shares Iona's odd definition of homophobia, he still supports marriage equality.

Zubeneschamali · 05-02-2014 09:26AM

No

PopePalpatine wrote: »

What is it with the Christian reactionaries and "Institutes"? :rolleyes:

It sounds official, and there are no rules stopping anyone calling anything an institute here.

Come on, doesn't "Here is a spokesman for the Iona Institute" sound more imposing than "Here's one of RTé's designated fringe Catholic nutjobs that we uncrate when the Bishops have more sense than to come on and manufacture a controversy for us"?

As the great thinker Paul Simon once said:

Hey Senorita, that’s astute
I said, Why don’t we get together
And call ourselves an institute?

RobertKK · 05-02-2014 09:50AM

I know men who have been attacked, they are heterosexual, if they had been homosexual, it would have been put down as a homophobic attack.
That is just how it goes, some people feel like victims for something that might not necessarily be the case.

Taco Chips · 05-02-2014 10:01AM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

I know men who have been attacked, they are heterosexual, if they had been homosexual, it would have been put down as a homophobic attack.
That is just how it goes, some people feel like victims for something that might not necessarily be the case.

Were they attacked specifically for being heterosexual? If not then it's an invalid comparison and you know it.

Zubeneschamali · 05-02-2014 10:04AM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

I know men who have been attacked, they are heterosexual, if they had been homosexual, it would have been put down as a homophobic attack. That is just how it goes, some people feel like victims for something that might not necessarily be the case.

Can't tell if trolling or really this unpleasant.

Xaniaj · 05-02-2014 10:04AM

RobertKK wrote: »

I know men who have been attacked, they are heterosexual, if they had been homosexual, it would have been put down as a homophobic attack.
That is just how it goes, some people feel like victims for something that might not necessarily be the case.

You're just being factitious now. No one is suggesting that all attacks against homosexuals are homophobic attacks however if the reason for the attack is the person's sexuality, then yes, that is a homophobic attack.

floggg · 05-02-2014 10:06AM

No

NuMarvel wrote: »

There would be a conflict if the firm was representing both of them at the same time or on the same issue, but it's 7 years since the Zappone/Gilligan case, and the issues are different; equality in one case, and alleged defamation in another.

And representing a client doesn't necessarily mean you agree with them. Even though Brophy shares Iona's odd definition of homophobia, he still supports marriage equality.

I had thought further litigation from Zappone/Gilligan was still pending.

And if Iona have a general retainer with Iona, rather than just for the defamation matter there may be a potential conflict, or at the very least a perceived one.

Certainly information in the possession of Zappone/Gilligan as part of their case may be relevant to Iona's effort to undermine and prohibit relationships like theirs and vice versa.

The Law Society's Guide to Good Professional Conduct doesn't strictly speaking prohibit a solicitor acting for both in such circumstances but does caution solicitors to consider their position in such circumstances in order to avoid it becoming an issue.

Now I accept that as Iona aren't directly involved in the litigation, not Zappine/Gilligan (as of yet) in the referendum campaign but to my mind there is certainly some potential conflict there.

humanji · 05-02-2014 10:06AM

Cut out the personal attacks, folks.

floggg · 05-02-2014 10:10AM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

I know men who have been attacked, they are heterosexual, if they had been homosexual, it would have been put down as a homophobic attack.
That is just how it goes, some people feel like victims for something that might not necessarily be the case.

Were they attached just for being heterosexual?

Did somebody see them holding hands with their wife, accuse them of being perverted and disgusting before stomping the **** out of them while yelling "breeder"?

Thought not.

I don't believe for one second that you can't see the difference between being beaten up and being beaten up because of your race/religion/sexual orientation.

Annasopra · 05-02-2014 10:19AM

No

floggg wrote: »

Really?

To me there is a clear conflict of interest in representing them both.

Edit - ok, not clear conflict. A potential one. I was still asleep.

Maybe he is not still Zappones solicitor but he was

Links234 · 05-02-2014 10:50AM

No

Yes, heterosexual people get attacked too, nobody here is suggesting otherwise. Sometimes people can be in the wrong place at the wrong time, bump into someone who's just out looking for a fight on a night out, plenty of people will experience random verbal abuse off complete strangers at random. The failure of some people is that when they hear of LGBT people being the victims of attacks, etc, they filter that through their own experiences of the kind of random abuse that everyone can fall victim to, and assume that LGBT people are being hysterical about it or are otherwise playing it up and need to cop themselves on.

What those people don't seem to grasp is that we are subject to the same random violence as the general populace PLUS a whole lot more. We face the same fear of someone 'startin' as everyone else, the same chance of being mugged as everyone else, PLUS the threat of for example a person or persons waiting in proximity to a gay bar to beat the **** out of someone they find exiting that bar and it's not random, it's not just someone looking for trouble, it's in order to send a message to all the other 'queers' that they're not safe, they're not wanted and they're not like. We have to fear showing affection in public, because of the person who might take the opportunity to send another message with their fists, or worse. We deal with all the **** everyone else deals with PLUS a whole pile more. That's what some of the heteros around here are failing to grasp.

Annasopra · 05-02-2014 10:57AM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

I know men who have been attacked, they are heterosexual, if they had been homosexual, it would have been put down as a homophobic attack.
That is just how it goes, some people feel like victims for something that might not necessarily be the case.

Maybe it would have been a heterophobic attack if the following happened;
"Breeder" was scratched into his car
The following night his car was firebombed

This happened last week in Dublin. "Breeder" wasn't scratched.

"Fag" was.

Ash.J.Williams · 05-02-2014 11:04AM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

I know men who have been attacked, they are heterosexual, if they had been homosexual, it would have been put down as a homophobic attack.
That is just how it goes, some people feel like victims for something that might not necessarily be the case.

I've learned quite a lot this last 3 weeks, you haven't obviously.

efb · 05-02-2014 12:23PM

No

https://twitter.com/independent_ie/status/431012594930171904

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