Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

RobertKK · 04-02-2014 03:18PM

mango salsa wrote: »

Did RTE not censor the RTE player?

Were you there when they got legal advice?

Usually if in the wrong, there is an edit.

We see mods do it all the time on boards, should mods not edit posts that could or are causing trouble, because it could be viewed as censorship, or are they just being sensible?

floggg · 04-02-2014 03:21PM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

Were you there when they got legal advice?

Usually if in the wrong, there is an edit.

We see mods do it all the time on boards, should mods not edit posts that could or are causing trouble, because it could be viewed as censorship, or are they just being sensible?

No, as has been pointed out often it's just cheaper, not to mention easier, to give in regardless of the rights or wrongs.

I can only assume you are intentionally ignoring that point at this stage.

Muise... · 04-02-2014 03:26PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Were you there when they got legal advice?

Usually if in the wrong, there is an edit.

We see mods do it all the time on boards, should mods not edit posts that could or are causing trouble, because it could be viewed as censorship, or are they just being sensible?

Of course it's censorship in both cases; the question is whether it is justified in the public interest or not. A qualified description of Iona, Waters and O'Brien as homophobic, from an individual unaffiliated to RTE, seemed accurate to many - have you noticed that the mods here are not censoring this description? - so it is extremely odd that RTE should censor it.

eyescreamcone · 04-02-2014 05:03PM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

Ronan Mullen is a great person, who is genuine.

It is interesting people would rather his views were silenced....

Ronan Mullen is definitely NOT a great person.

I would regard him as a muppet with bigoted views not worthy of his station in society.

Sarky · 04-02-2014 05:13PM

No

Remember when Mullen conflated abortion with school shootings?

The man's a perfectly awful f*ckstain.

PopePalpatine · 04-02-2014 05:50PM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

Ronan Mullen is a great person, who is genuine.

It is interesting people would rather his views were silenced....

A genuine headcase, you mean.

I doubt Mullen would be too averse to silencing others if he got any sort of power (e.g. junior ministerial position).

efb · 04-02-2014 05:53PM

No

He's planning on running in north west constituency in the Euros

J_E · 04-02-2014 06:04PM

No

Two straight men will be discussing their experiences of homophobia on Vincent Browne tonight. One of them is reasonable, one of them isn't.

Sarky · 04-02-2014 06:06PM

No

Ah, John McGuirk. Who better to discuss such matters than the Libertas PR guy who called one of their election candidates a psychotic bitch?

J_E · 04-02-2014 06:19PM

No

Sarky wrote: »

Ah, John McGuirk. Who better to discuss such matters than the Libertas PR guy who called one of their election candidates a psychotic bitch?

Not to mention this;

@john_mcguirk: I will be on #vinb tonight to discuss standards in public discourse.

Standards in public discourse my hole. Might want to start at home.

Sarky · 04-02-2014 06:21PM

No

It gets better. Also on the panel is Kevin Brophy. Of Brophy Solicitors. Guess which anti-gay lobby group calling themselves an institute is represented by Brophy Solicitors?

Zen65 · 04-02-2014 06:21PM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

I think the state should just get lost, it shouldn't be involved in the love business.

Marriage (legally) is not about love.

It is about conferring rights and protection to two people and to their children (howsoever conceived or adopted).

Denying those rights and protections, for reasons of race, colour, age, disability, sexual orientation, or religion is discrimination.

Lou.m · 04-02-2014 06:24PM

No

David Norris raising the issue in the Seanad today.

Fr. Ned · 04-02-2014 06:45PM

efb wrote: »

And if so do you think it's acceptable. Would people be allowed have racist views and not be allowed be challenged on this? And to call them racist is stifling debate???

The IONA institute are as entitled to hold their views as much as any PC brigade loving liberal or group of liberals.

The last time I looked, this wasn't north Korea.

J_E · 04-02-2014 06:46PM

No

Fr. Ned wrote: »

The IONA institute are as entitled to hold their views as much as any PC brigade loving liberal or group of liberals.

Throwaway liberal rhetoric nonsense. Is that you, David?

On a more positive notice, gay marriage just passed in Scotland.

Nodin · 04-02-2014 06:49PM

No

Fr. Ned wrote: »

The IONA institute are as entitled to hold their views as much as any PC brigade loving liberal or group of liberals.

The last time I looked, this wasn't north Korea.

Not agreeing with homosexuality (whatever the hell that's supposed to be) is fine and dandy. Campaigning against gay marriage and thus imposing their dated, jaded, tried and fucking failed "morality" is not.

Bannasidhe · 04-02-2014 06:49PM

No

Fr. Ned wrote: »

The IONA institute are as entitled to hold their views as much as any PC brigade loving liberal or group of liberals.

The last time I looked, this wasn't north Korea.

and the PC Brigade is allowed to call them on their views - that is how we know it isn't North Korea.

Muise... · 04-02-2014 06:50PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

The IONA institute are as entitled to hold their views as much as any PC brigade loving liberal or group of liberals.

The last time I looked, this wasn't north Korea.

We are ALL entitled to hold views, and no one is disputing that, but most of us can't sway the national broadcaster to censor views we do not like.

It's certainly Orwellian, but more doublethink and Animal Farm than North Korea: we are all entitled to hold views, but some of us are more entitled than others.

Delirium · 04-02-2014 06:50PM

No

Fr. Ned wrote: »

The IONA institute are as entitled to hold their views as much as any PC brigade loving liberal or group of liberals.

The last time I looked, this wasn't north Korea.

That's funny considering Iona are the only ones who had an opponent censored.

Sarky · 04-02-2014 06:51PM

No

I find it amusing that Iona is part of Scotland, which just passed their marriage equality bill by an overwhelming majority. Perhaps Quinn's institute can sue Scottish parliament for associating them with such tolerant views.

EuskalHerria · 04-02-2014 06:58PM

No

Fr. Ned wrote: »

The IONA institute are as entitled to hold their views as much as any PC brigade loving liberal or group of liberals.

The last time I looked, this wasn't north Korea.

Their is a fundamental difference between something not being "PC" and it being discriminatory.

You're right, this isn't North Korea. Once again the only ones trying to stifle debate are those who were unsatisified with a right of reply and who wanted to line their own pockets. So your analogy works against you.

It's also funny you mention a place where people are unable to express their opinions and own way of life due to fear. It sounds vaguely familiar to the the Ireland of old that was gripped and shaped by the Catholic Church. They also stifled any debate that was not in line with its "ethos".

Piliger · 04-02-2014 07:10PM

No

Being opposed to gay marriage = homophobic in the current sense of the word. End of.

When people oppose equal rights for any section of society, then that is prejudice and bigotry.

EVERYone is entitled to their views. But everyone else is entitled to call them out on it and express THEIR views.

Iona are bigots and homophobic, through and through. It's just who they are.

Fr. Ned · 04-02-2014 07:11PM

Nodin wrote: »

Not agreeing with homosexuality (whatever the hell that's supposed to be) is fine and dandy. Campaigning against gay marriage and thus imposing their dated, jaded, tried and fucking failed "morality" is not.

So, campaigning for something is ok but campaigning against it isn't?

I see.....

EuskalHerria · 04-02-2014 07:14PM

No

Fr. Ned wrote: »

So, campaigning for something is ok but campaigning against it isn't?

I see.....

If it was political parties, then of course there is a difference there and that is ok.

However if you are campaigning against a group of society and the issue is them having the same rights you have, then yes, that's discrimination and that's not ok. Do you understand now or do you want to continue to shift the goalposts and be facetious?

Fr. Ned · 04-02-2014 07:15PM

I think we can see by the few hysterical replies to my first comment on this subject how there can never be a rational 'debate' in this country.

Liberals want to shut down the debate and shout and scream at anyone who chooses to disagree with them.

Muise... · 04-02-2014 07:17PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

I think we can see by the few hysterical replies to my first comment on this subject how there can never be a rational 'debate' in this country.

Liberals Iona Institute, John Waters and Breda O'Brien want to shut down the debate and shout and scream at anyone who chooses to disagree with them.

Seriously, Father, you nearly have me praying for your undead soul.

Daith · 04-02-2014 07:18PM

No

Fr. Ned wrote: »

I think we can see by the few hysterical replies to my first comment on this subject how there can never be a rational 'debate' in this country.

Liberals want to shut down the debate and shout and scream at anyone who chooses to disagree with them.

So debate. What rights would you give gay people.

Fr. Ned · 04-02-2014 07:18PM

Personally I don't really care what homosexual couples do.

If they want to get married, then go ahead.

One thing they can't do though is procreate, only hetrosexual couples can do that, and that's what keeps the human race alive.

Fr. Ned · 04-02-2014 07:19PM

Muise... wrote: »

Seriously, Father, you nearly have me praying for your undead soul.

Who are the ones shouting loudest?

Look at the poll.......

DrumSteve · 04-02-2014 07:19PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

I think we can see by the few hysterical replies to my first comment on this subject how there can never be a rational 'debate' in this country.

Liberals want to shut down the debate and shout and scream at anyone who chooses to disagree with them.

Whats this liberal crap? Are we in America?

If by liberal you mean people who dont stick their noses into other peoples lives and try tell them how to live, colour me a ****ing liberal.

Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

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