Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

RobertKK · 03-02-2014 11:47AM

Corkfeen wrote: »

Got done research that shows same sex parents are inferior? You claim to be well versed in it but have yet to provide anything, strange!

I don't look at anybody as being inferior.

I do see people seeing themselves as being somehow inferior, then believing a piece of paper from the state changes things.

J_E · 03-02-2014 11:48AM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

I don't look at anybody as being inferior.

I do see people seeing themselves as being somehow inferior, then believing a piece of paper from the state changes things.

That makes no sense, at all.

RobertKK · 03-02-2014 11:49AM

floggg wrote: »

But his opinions are backed up by research. The research has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions.

Can you give me the sample sizes for all the research, please.

Daith · 03-02-2014 11:49AM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

I do see people seeing themselves as being somehow inferior, then believing a piece of paper from the state changes things.

Of course it does but I like how you shifted the goal posts from "I don't support gay marriage" to "I don't support civil marriage for anyone (but its just lucky I can get married if I want)".

Corkfeen · 03-02-2014 11:50AM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

I don't look at anybody as being inferior.

I do see people seeing themselves as being somehow inferior, then believing a piece of paper from the state changes things.

You clearly do in relation to them being parents. Prove your opinion or it is a worthless one. Also, explain why Iona's view on firing teachers isn't homophobic.

RobertKK · 03-02-2014 11:51AM

Daith wrote: »

Of course it does but I like how you shifted the goal posts from "I don't support gay marriage" to "I don't support civil marriage for anyone (but its just lucky I can get married if I want)".

I posted months back here I don't support state marriage.

Muise... · 03-02-2014 11:51AM

Daith wrote: »

Nope, not according to the broadcast regulation which states that if one show is deemed "unbalanced" then RTE can run another show to show the opposite view.

Which Iona declined.

Breda had no problem going onto another RTE show on the Thursday following the debate and discussing it there though....

It's very unfortunate that "balance" is widely seen as giving equal airtime to opposing opinions, instead of using reason to identify accurate information from each and judge the arguments accordingly. If that was done, Iona wouldn't be able to screech about name-calling because they'd actually have to listen and think before their tantrum. Rory O'Neill was very balanced and qualified everything he said very carefully. But that Iona crowd are a hornets' nest of cnuts. :mad:

RobertKK · 03-02-2014 11:56AM

Corkfeen wrote: »

You clearly do in relation to them being parents. Prove your opinion or it is a worthless one. Also, explain why Iona's view on firing teachers isn't homophobic.

Why do I have to be a spokesperson for a group I do not represent?

The best situation for a child is to have both biological parents, who love and support that child.
Do you agree?

I don't view anyone as inferior, but it seems in most cases whether heterosexual or homosexual, that it is the adults putting their wants ahead of children.

J_E · 03-02-2014 11:59AM

No

@KeithM: @cydoniac @Iconoclast70 @JamesCsn @PantiBliss Sorry I've heard enough ranting drag queens labeling & name calling. I hit the mute button.

And I've heard enough of this bull**** :mad:

Stark · 03-02-2014 11:59AM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

Why do I have to be a spokesperson for a group I do not represent?

Because currently on this thread, you're their most vocal defender.

RobertKK wrote: »

The best situation for a child is to have both biological parents, who love and support that child.
Do you agree?

No, and there's a ****load of studies quoted above that disagree with you.

floggg · 03-02-2014 11:59AM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

Can you give me the sample sizes for all the research, please.

The research has been provided to you and is available to read.

It has been peer reviewed and accepted by major international medical and psychiatric organisations.

If you believe there are specific issues with it, then perhaps you should demonstrate the issues rather than peremptorily asking us to disprove your unsubstantiated objections.

Given however that it seems you have not rads any of them, it's difficult how you could rationally and in good faith have an specific issues with aspects of the study.

You might also advise us in your critique of your professional qualifications and experience in this field, so we can properly assess your competency in this field versus the experts who peer reviewed them.

hoodwinked · 03-02-2014 12:00PM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

The best situation for a child is to have both biological parents, who love and support that child.
Do you agree?

not at all,

my biological father is absolutely a failure as a parent, my non biological father (my mothers husband) loved and supported me more in the years i've known him than even my mother.

a parent doesn't need to be biologically related to be a good parent, nor does gender matter, i'd take two same gender parents just like my step dad than two parents like my biological parents anyday.

floggg · 03-02-2014 12:01PM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

The best situation for a child is to have both biological parents, who love and support that child.
Do you agree?

If we accept that as true, how does marriage equality alter that position?

J_E · 03-02-2014 12:02PM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

Why do I have to be a spokesperson for a group I do not represent?

The best situation for a child is to have both biological parents, who love and support that child.
Do you agree?

I don't view anyone as inferior, but it seems in most cases whether heterosexual or homosexual, that it is the adults putting their wants ahead of children.

There aren't going to be kids taken away from their biological parents just because of this...

Corkfeen · 03-02-2014 12:05PM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

Why do I have to be a spokesperson for a group I do not represent?

The best situation for a child is to have both biological parents, who love and support that child.
Do you agree?

I don't view anyone as inferior, but it seems in most cases whether heterosexual or homosexual, that it is the adults putting their wants ahead of children.

You've been arguing they're not homophobic, so prove it! Simple as. Non biological parents can be equally as good, biological relationship does not equal automatic good parenting.

floggg · 03-02-2014 12:05PM

No

floggg wrote: »

Em, what?

Religious marriage is the weak version. It offers nothing but a nice day out.

Civil marriage offers stability, security, inheritance rights, maintenance and support obligations, pension rights, tax breaks, immigration rights.

Civil marriage is the only show in town if you want any form of protection and benefits for your family.

And if you're opposition is to all civil marriage, why are you arguing against the gays so much.

I fear you may be perhaps being a little disingenuous here

I'd appreciate your response to this, and how you square your opposition to civil marriage with your earlier statement that marriage was a good option for straight couples wanting a family.

I'm am interested in understanding the logic behind your views.

david75 · 03-02-2014 12:06PM

No

Will all of this deter RTE and other media outlets, involving or inviting Iona on air in future do you think?

Daith · 03-02-2014 12:08PM

No

david75 wrote: »

Will all of this deter RTE and other media outlets, involving or inviting Iona on air in future do you think?

Nope. Both Panti and Iona were invited back on last Saturday's show and all declined.

RTE will just be more "careful" in a debate which would be worrying.

J_E · 03-02-2014 12:08PM

No

david75 wrote: »

Will all of this deter RTE and other media outlets, involving or inviting Iona on air in future do you think?

They have to have a fair account from both sides, and unfortunately Iona are one of the few organised groups on the matter.

Maximus Alexander · 03-02-2014 12:13PM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

Can you give me the sample sizes for all the research, please.

If this is the part where you go ahead and dismiss peer-reviewed studies based on their sample sizes, then I suggest you have think about the extent of your qualifications in the field before you make a fool of yourself.

Judith Stacey, a Professor of Social and Cultural Analysis and Sociology, had this to say about sample sizes when called as a witness in a case about Gay and Lesbian parenting:

Judith Stacey wrote:

If the court were to accept Professor Nock’s primary criticisms of these studies, it would have to dismiss virtually the entire discipline of psychology. The vast majority of research in child development, and in the field of psychology more broadly, would be invalidated as unscientific. The research design of the studies on lesbian and gay parenting that Professor Nock criticizes is by no means peculiar to or below the generally accepted scientific standards of the field. On the contrary, most of the research designs used in these studies characterize predominant methods employed throughout the entire discipline of psychology. In essence, Professor Nock appears to be claiming that psychologists would have to become demographers in order for their work to have scientific value.

floggg · 03-02-2014 12:19PM

No

Daith wrote: »

Nope. Both Panti and Iona were invited back on last Saturday's show and all declined.

RTE will just be more "careful" in a debate which would be worrying.

RTE had two Iona reps (including Breda O'Brien) on a 4 person panel for a debate on education last week.

Not a chance of them going away.

david75 · 03-02-2014 12:55PM

No

Excellent reading
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/01/30/what_is_homophobia_why_straight_men_are_right_to_be_afraid_of_homosexuality.html

Zubeneschamali · 03-02-2014 12:58PM

No

floggg wrote: »

Religious marriage is the weak version. It offers nothing but a nice day out.

Wait, what about the old guy with the beard on the cloud with the sunbeams and stuff? Isn't he supposed to do something, with a pigeon or something?

Nodin · 03-02-2014 01:03PM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

You are a member of pussy riot?

I read reports that children were present, maybe when you were in the museum you didn't see them.

I don't give a shite what you read, I saw the video, and they weren't.

floggg · 03-02-2014 01:03PM

No

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Wait, what about the old guy with the beard on the cloud with the sunbeams and stuff? Isn't he supposed to do something, with a pigeon or something?

Why do these debates always end up being about bestiality!

Corkfeen · 03-02-2014 01:07PM

No

Nodin wrote: »

I don't give a shite what you read, I saw the video, and they weren't.

I didn't feel like watching the video as I'm in a lab but googled it, to see if any reports mentioned children. Oddly enough they didn't. Researching skills of Robert are even more greatly diminished.

AerynSun · 03-02-2014 01:07PM

No

floggg wrote: »

Why do these debates always end up being about bestiality!

In Voina's case it wasn't a pigeon but a frozen chicken, so that's kinda like necro-bestiality?

Muise... · 03-02-2014 01:10PM

floggg wrote: »

Why do these debates always end up being about bestiality!

because the homophobes run out of strawmen?

Sarky · 03-02-2014 01:10PM

No

The chickens can't be more then a year or two old to boot. Necropaedobestiality?

... this slippery slope stuff is fun, no wonder conservatives are always harping on about it instead of using evidence and logic!

Nodin · 03-02-2014 01:11PM

No

Why is Roberto on about parenting?

Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

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