Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

Nodin · 27-01-2014 06:10PM

No

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

And the gay people who oppose gay marriage are also homophobic?

Right...........:rolleyes:

Change the record phill.

floggg · 27-01-2014 06:10PM

No

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Sarky, I haven't posted in an agressive manner in this thread so many others I would appreciate if you'd take your hatred elesewhere. If you want to keep it up you can go on ignore like many other posters.

There is good reason for this step. Many people have said it before me and many will after I'm gone. Marriage holds a special place in society and I believe it's irreplaceable in its potential.

Sarky are you in a long term gay relationship? Do you believe that relationship is "the same as" your parents relationship? The rights issue can be resolved. Marriage can not be replaced IMO.

I'm pretty sure my parents would agree my relationship is the same as theirs. And to that of my straight siblings.

Also, I think the argument that "you an have the same rights as us but not our special word (I.e. Marriage)" is rawly the least defendable position.

Essentially you are happy for them to be the same in substance but for straight and gay relationships to be marked out as different in some way.

There is no actual public policy argument or tangible difference - only a false distinction created just to try and pretend that the two aren't equal or comparable.

It's separate but equal nonsense. Its blatantly homophobic, and very transparently so.

seenitall · 27-01-2014 06:11PM

No

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

And the gay people who oppose gay marriage are also homophobic?

Right...........:rolleyes:

Who knows? Will you ask them?

I suppose you've never in your life heard of any misogynistic women, misandrist men, or racist minorities, either?

Phill Ewinn · 27-01-2014 06:11PM

Nodin wrote: »

What? I've no problem with polygamy.

Why is it you can't actually explain your objection to gay marriage phill? Doesn't it strike you as odd that you - who should be arguing a case - are unable to do so?

I have explained everything Nodin. Also, its a bit late to row back on your earlier comments.

Nodin wrote: »

You know polygamy just ended in some parts of the world, don't you?

No one has suggested marriage should change, just that its availability be extended to same sex couples.

eorpach · 27-01-2014 06:12PM

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

And the gay people who oppose gay marriage are also homophobic?

Right...........:rolleyes:

There is a different between an individual holding a personal opinion, and an organisation actively seeking to influence State social policy on the basis of religious indoctrination.

One does not lend justification to the other.

AnonoBoy · 27-01-2014 06:12PM

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

And the gay people who oppose gay marriage are also homophobic?

Find me these gay people who want to deny themselves rights and I'll give you a shiny penny!

Phill Ewinn · 27-01-2014 06:13PM

Nodin wrote: »

Change the record phill.

Tired of reading the truth? Then don't read my posts. Simples.

Nodin · 27-01-2014 06:13PM

No

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

I have explained everything Nodin. Also, its a bit late to row back on your earlier comments.

No idea what you're on about there phill. You still haven't explained your objection to gay marriage.

Alias G · 27-01-2014 06:13PM

No

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

And the gay people who oppose gay marriage are also homophobic?

Right...........:rolleyes:

Possibly, if they suffer from internal homophobia.

Phill Ewinn · 27-01-2014 06:14PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Find me these gay people who want to deny themselves rights and I'll give you a shiny penny!

There's this thing called google

>

Phill Ewinn · 27-01-2014 06:15PM

I'm off.

If anyone manages to post something that resembles sense, I might return

equivariant · 27-01-2014 06:16PM

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

And the gay people who oppose gay marriage are also homophobic?

Right...........:rolleyes:

Indeed they are.

Check out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDY4QsFqnIQ for a great example of homophobia from a gay man.

_Redzer_ · 27-01-2014 06:17PM

No

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

I'm off.

If anyone manages to post something that resembles sense, I might return

Told ye

eireannBEAR · 27-01-2014 06:18PM

Once gay marriage is made legal,will it have any positive bearing on equal rights for fathers??

hoodwinked · 27-01-2014 06:18PM

No

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

I'm off.

If anyone manages to post something that resembles sense, I might return

i did....

you clearly missed it!

hoodwinked wrote: »

i just cannot believe in a 1st world country, in 2014 we are still arguing that if a couple who love each other want to cement that love and relationship in civil (and religious) law that they aren't allowed to do so because of their gender????

i am a married woman and my husband and i tend not to compare our marriage to others, we are unique as is our marriage and no other marriage be it john and mary down the road or Mike and James up the road changes what we have,

all not allowing gay marriage really does is stop two loving people in a loving relationship from following the path of their relationship like straight people do everyday.

Its their life let them choose how they want to live it.

_Redzer_ · 27-01-2014 06:19PM

No

eireannBEAR wrote: »

Once gay marriage is made legal,will it have any positive bearing on equal rights for fathers??

That's a separate issue, but one I'd like to see addressed as well.

AerynSun · 27-01-2014 06:19PM

No

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Then don't ask for one!

We're not asking for a separate fountain - we want to be allowed to guzzle the straight people water from theirs, without them having a wobbly because there are gay people trying to drink their water.

Kinda reminds me of this:

Feminazi Stole My Ice Cream

floggg · 27-01-2014 06:20PM

No

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Then don't ask for one!

I'm not. I'm demanding access to existing water fountains on the same terms as heterosexual couples.

AnonoBoy · 27-01-2014 06:20PM

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

There's this thing called google
>

I can't very well give Google a shiny penny now can I you silly child?

Tsk! Tsk! Tsk!

floggg · 27-01-2014 06:22PM

No

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

I have explained everything Nodin. Also, its a bit late to row back on your earlier comments.

Nope. There was only vague references to intangibles and meaningless phrases like "special potential"

seenitall · 27-01-2014 06:23PM

No

_Redzer_ wrote: »

Told ye

To be fair, he's the only reason I'm following the thread. It's all been done to the death in numerous other threads, but posters like PE and some rare other gems always keep it fresh.

There is a reason why inanity and repetition are a major stock in trade of absurdist humour.

eireannBEAR · 27-01-2014 06:24PM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

That's a separate issue, but one I'd like to see addressed as well.

I know and i find it down right offensive that we have other far less serious issues dominating the social/political sphere,I genuinely dont know how this issue has been overlooked and neglected for so long.

Fathers are committing suicide down to these laws,but im hoping legeslation for gay marriage will force the governments hand on this.

_Redzer_ · 27-01-2014 06:27PM

No

eireannBEAR wrote: »

I know and i find it down right offensive that we have other far less serious issues dominating the social/political sphere,I genuinely dont know how this issue has been overlooked and neglected for so long.

Fathers are committing suicide down to these laws,but im hoping legeslation for gay marriage will force the governments hand on this.

Far less serious? Ok, if that's your opinion, whatever gets you to vote in favour of SSM I suppose.

eyescreamcone · 27-01-2014 06:27PM

No

eireannBEAR wrote: »

Once gay marriage is made legal,will it have any positive bearing on equal rights for fathers??

I also believe that all fathers should have the same amount of rights.
Whether those fathers are gay or not

walrusgumble · 27-01-2014 06:30PM

eviltwin wrote: »

I heard that RTE had to issue an apology to them last night. Funny how a group who make a living out of making rude and hurtful comments about others get so sensitive when someone else does it. Yes they are homophobic and the media shouldn't give them, or similar groups a platform.

Groups like Iona are responding to rude and hurtful comments and ideas that some how gay couples could and should get married and are prepared to say anything and label them anything they want, in the hope of silencing them

Rude and hurtful comments to one group, is not enough to prevent the rest of us having a full discussion on this and express respective views. "Rude and hurtful" comments are part and parcel of big issue discussions, as seen in the divorce, abortion and even European matters (questions on one's so called nationality)

Being opposed to gay marriage is not an obvious sign of homophobia. If, however, in your world , that is the case, so what? Why should people decide not to support gay marriage or support gay marriage , by throwing out that label. People got called racist for getting rid of the automatic law on citizenship by birth

Skylinehead · 27-01-2014 06:32PM

No

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

I'm off.

If anyone manages to post something that resembles sense, I might return

Now that you're gone, I'm going to make the outlandish prediction that the amount of sense here will increase.

eireannBEAR · 27-01-2014 06:34PM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

Far less serious? Ok, if that's your opinion, whatever gets you to vote in favour of SSM I suppose.

Im not pushed on this matter,but i will vote in favour,I find it disgraceful that the governments wasting money on a vote though,surely it can be pushed through without one.

Just remember ''Gay community'' single fathers support you so in the future you can return the favour.

AerynSun · 27-01-2014 06:35PM

No

Skylinehead wrote: »

Now that you're gone, I'm going to make the outlandish prediction that the amount of sense here will increase.

I'm so disappointed. This thread had... special potential. :P

walrusgumble · 27-01-2014 06:36PM

eireannBEAR wrote: »

Once gay marriage is made legal,will it have any positive bearing on equal rights for fathers??

We now have new Constitutional provision about best interest of the child. Whether that improves the laws on guardianship rights of married and unmarried father being comparable is up in the air

This does not have really have a postitive bearing on equal rights for fathers

Unmarried fathers are still in the boat that they are. Even if a gay had a child from a hetro relationship, but is now married to another person (whether gay or hetro) , the relationship with the child is the same. It will help if the father was married to the mother (guardianship wise) or has little difficulty getting those rights as an unmarried dad

_Redzer_ · 27-01-2014 06:37PM

No

eireannBEAR wrote: »

Im not pushed on this matter,but i will vote in favour,I find it disgraceful that the governments wasting money on a vote though,surely it can be pushed through without one.

Just remember ''Gay community'' single fathers support you so in the future you can return the favour.

That's fair enough. Deal

Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

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