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The majority of Irish people are passive and obedient.

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  • #32
    professore
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    If I was passive I wouldn't bother voting.


  • #33
    Phoebas
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    harryr711 wrote: »
    And as I said, that's not my political opinion, that is my take on how Chomsky's quote on the spectrum of opinion applies to Ireland, "how narrow that spectrum is in Ireland for the majority, and how opinions outside that spectrum are dismissed out of hand." Seriously, read Chomsky's quote and try to understand what he is saying.

    What a cop out! Its not your 'opinion', its just your 'take'.


  • #34
    jesse pinkman
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    Have you been reading John Waters articles again OP? They should come with a health warning . . bound to mess with your head.


  • #35
    dxhound2005
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    P_1 wrote: »
    True there are various other options but I think the point was that no matter what way you vote you're going to ultimately end up with one of the two (FF/FG) being the leading party in the government.

    But that is a big change from the majority of the past when FF were in power on their own.


  • #36
    harryr711
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    anncoates wrote: »
    It's always an amusing characteristic of a lot of smug left, utterances about the passivity of others that you think merely pointing out the passivity of others in itself is equivalent to 'action' and deserving of moral superiority.
    Haha, because I raise the issue of the acceptable spectrum of opinion I must have smug left-wing political views? :D A wrong assumption on your part, but you know what they say, "never assume...".


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  • #37
    professore
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    If you're not a socialist at 20 you have no heart; if you're still a socialist at 30 you have no brain. As for the Labour party here - please ! The defenders of the most privileged in our society, the public sector. They are an embarrassment.


  • #38
    harryr711
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    What a cop out! Its not your 'opinion', its just your 'take'.
    Let me adjust that:

    And as I said, that's not my political opinion, that is my opinion on how Chomsky's quote on the spectrum of opinion applies to Ireland, "how narrow that spectrum is in Ireland for the majority, and how opinions outside that spectrum are dismissed out of hand." Seriously, read Chomsky's quote and try to understand what he is saying.


  • #39
    c_man
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    professore wrote: »
    If you're not a socialist at 20 you have no heart; if you're still a socialist at 30 you have no brain. As for the Labour party here - please ! The defenders of the most privileged in our society, the public sector. They are an embarrassment.

    I'd wager there's still a few AHers with "Gilmore for Taoiseach" posters hidden under their beds. Bless them.


  • #40
    anncoates
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    harryr711 wrote: »
    Haha, because I raise the issue of the acceptable spectrum of opinion I must have smug left-wing political views? :D

    No, it's a valid view but criticizing the inaction of others in itself does not mean you are not as effete as they are.


  • #41
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,613 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    professore wrote: »
    If you're not a socialist at 20 you have no heart; if you're still a socialist at 30 you have no brain. As for the Labour party here - please ! The defenders of the most privileged in our society, the public sector. They are an embarrassment.

    And yet you would vote for a party with Shane Ross and Vincent Browne who are amongst the most privileged in our society. They were at fee paying private schools and university long before university was even a dream for most people.


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  • #42
    EuropeanSon
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    What a dumb nonentity of a thread.


  • #43
    EuropeanSon
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    And yet you would vote for a party with Shane Ross and Vincent Browne who are amongst the most privileged in our society. They were at fee paying private schools and university long before university was even a dream for most people.

    And, obviously, that makes them bad people.


  • #44
    _Redzer_
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    I'd definitely say Irish people are very passive. We love to bitch and moan, but when it comes down to it no action is taken.


  • #45
    harryr711
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    c_man wrote: »
    I'd wager there's still a few AHers with "Gilmore for Taoiseach" posters hidden under their beds. Bless them.
    A frightening thought.


  • #46
    dxhound2005
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    EuropeanSon wrote: »
    And, obviously, that makes them bad people.

    That makes their pretence to be interested in the welfare of ordinary people and their faux outrage at what is happening in politics obviously fake.


  • #47
    Phoebas
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    harryr711 wrote: »
    Let me adjust that:

    And as I said, that's not my political opinion, that is my opinion on how Chomsky's quote on the spectrum of opinion applies to Ireland, "how narrow that spectrum is in Ireland for the majority, and how opinions outside that spectrum are dismissed out of hand." Seriously, read Chomsky's quote and try to understand what he is saying.

    So you've started a thread to discuss your take on Chomsky's quote, but four pages in and you still haven't told us what your opinion is?


  • #48
    EuropeanSon
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    That makes their pretence to be interested in the welfare of ordinary people and their faux outrage at what is happening in politics obviously fake.

    Because unless you grew up with no money you can't have empathy and want people who have less privileged backgrounds to have good lifestyles, of course.


  • #49
    harryr711
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    EuropeanSon wrote: »
    What a dumb nonentity of a thread.
    So, there is actually a broad spectrum of acceptable opinion in Ireland, the majority of Irish people are politically aware and don't dismiss different political views out of hand even if they disagree with them?


  • #50
    EuropeanSon
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    harryr711 wrote: »
    So, there is actually a broad spectrum of acceptable opinion in Ireland, the majority of Irish people are politically aware and don't dismiss different political views out of hand even if they disagree with them?

    An OP posts a quote he found on the internet with no opinion on it. That is what this thread is.


  • #51
    harryr711
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    So you've started a thread to discuss your take on Chomsky's quote, but four pages in and you still haven't told us what your opinion is?
    EuropeanSon wrote: »
    An OP posts a quote he found on the internet with no opinion on it. That is what this thread is.

    And as I said, that's not my political opinion, that is my opinion on how Chomsky's quote on the spectrum of opinion applies to Ireland, "how narrow that spectrum is in Ireland for the majority, and how opinions outside that spectrum are dismissed out of hand." Seriously, read Chomsky's quote and try to understand what he is saying.

    I've given my opinion on the quote in that I believe it can be applied to Ireland, in particular regarding the majority of people for whom the only options are "FF, FG, spoiled vote, no vote" come the next election as in the first post.


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  • #52
    Menas
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    I thought this thread was already shut down by Whoopsie?


  • #53
    Valetta
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    harryr711 wrote: »
    And as I said, that's not my political opinion, that is my opinion on how Chomsky's quote on the spectrum of opinion applies to Ireland, "how narrow that spectrum is in Ireland for the majority, and how opinions outside that spectrum are dismissed out of hand." Seriously, read Chomsky's quote and try to understand what he is saying

    Do you understand what he is saying?

    Seriously?


  • #54
    Roy Squeaking Topcoat
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  • #55
    dxhound2005
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    EuropeanSon wrote: »
    Because unless you grew up with no money you can't have empathy and want people who have less privileged backgrounds to have good lifestyles, of course.

    Having empathy and wanting people to have good lifestyles is fine even if it was sincere. But preferring those two individuals to be in power over what has gone before on the basis that what has gone before protected the privileged is just bizarre.


  • #56
    Joshua J
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    In rolls the FG PR machine to somewhat prove the OPs point.


  • #57
    dxhound2005
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    Joshua J wrote: »
    In rolls the FG PR machine to somewhat prove the OPs point.

    Mary Lou has sent one of her messenger boys along.


  • #58
    Legs.Eleven
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    The title you put on your thread labels the majority of Irish people as passive and obedient - that's not Chomsky, that's you!


    No, Noam Chomsky said it. I have a quote here. I'll go find it now....



    ....here it is...


    "The Irish are passive and obedient" - Noam Chomsky


  • #59
    Phoebas
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    Joshua J wrote: »
    In rolls the FG PR machine to somewhat prove the OPs point.

    The OP hasn't made a point. He's trying his very best not to.


  • #60
    Joshua J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Joshua J


    Well I'm 2 for 2. I wonder can I make it a full house.......


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  • #61
    Menas
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    Legs.Eleven wrote: »
    No, Noam Chomsky said it. I have a quote here. I'll go find it now....



    ....here it is...


    "The Irish are passive and obedient" - Noam Chomsky

    So who added the word 'majority'?
    Do we have a misquoting scandal on our hands?


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