Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

Billy86 · 23-12-2013 08:46PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

Yes but it happens extremely rarely. Wheelie bin man did his community a favour he should not be locked up.

This is the point where I'm beginning reckon you're trolling - on one hand you are saying "nobody" you have heard of has been murdered over it, then on the other you were perfectly aware of someone who was, hence you were lying. Secondly, you claim nobody would get murdered over being on a public register, then salute someone... for murdering a person over being a known paedophile.

Mr Williams · 23-12-2013 08:51PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Nonsense... again. What about the Asian guy who had his house broken into an was beaten so badly with hammers that the scene was described as a 'bloodbath' with neighbours being woken from their sleep from the screaming. Or the family in Tipperary who had their front window basically caved in, were tied up and terrorised with guns and a machete? I'm sure their 8, 6 and 3 year old daughters won't be traumatised for life over that of course! Or the guy who got attacked in the Great Train Robbery, had to retire because of those injuries and as a result died about a year later.

These guys re-offend at much, much higher rates than paedophiles - convicts most forms of burglary are over 4 times more likely to do so. But hey, let's not allow facts and reality and all that junk get in the way...

Not at all surprisingly, not one single person has responded to these on this thread, despite my bringing them up multiple times now.

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I'd agree that those animals that break into peoples houses should get sent down for life. But child abuse is more bigger problem than those sort of burglaries your talking about.

Mr Williams · 23-12-2013 08:52PM

Billy86 wrote: »

This is the point where I'm beginning reckon you're trolling - on one hand you are saying "nobody" you have heard of has been murdered over it, then on the other you were perfectly aware of someone who was, hence you were lying. Secondly, you claim nobody would get murdered over being on a public register, then salute someone... for murdering a person over being a known paedophile.

I only remembered that case your were talking about. Most sexual offenders dont get attacked.

Also it wasnt murder it was manslaughter the guy was only trying to scare him.

Mr Williams · 23-12-2013 08:56PM

NiallSparky wrote: »

And you're not? The people of Ireland have voted against capital punishment.

We were never asked if supported capital punishment against child killers and serial child abusers. Most people with any common sense would support the execution of those people.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-12-2013 08:57PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

I only remembered that case your were talking about. Most sexual offenders dont get attacked.

Also it wasnt murder it was manslaughter the guy was only trying to scare him.

... and you accuse me of making excuses for criminals?

Sweet Jesus, that's it we're done here.

looking_around · 23-12-2013 09:20PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

So you dont think pedophiles should be locked up ? your starting to sound like Harriet Harman.

No, once a paedophile crosses over into a child molester, yes. But many dont, and you're locking someone up for having an attraction/feeling they didn't "choose" to have.
You'd punishing someone for thoughts not actions.

Billy86 · 23-12-2013 09:22PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

I'd agree that those animals that break into peoples houses should get sent down for life. But child abuse is more bigger problem than those sort of burglaries your talking about.

Again this is completely untrue - there were 103 reported cases of "defilement of a boy or girl under 17 years of age" from June 2012 - June 2013 (a decrease of 19.5%) compared to 294 cases of aggravated burglary (an increase of 3.2%) - it is almost three times more prevalent.

http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/crimejustice/2013/recordedcrime_q22013.pdf

And don't even try and claim that aggravated burglaries do not go unreported.

Mr Williams wrote: »

We were never asked if supported capital punishment against child killers and serial child abusers. Most people with any common sense would support the execution of those people.

Yes, we were. We were asked if we wanted to abolish the death sentence for any any all crimes that could be committed, and said yes.

Mr Williams · 23-12-2013 09:32PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Again this is completely untrue - there were 103 reported cases of "defilement of a boy or girl under 17 years of age" from June 2012 - June 2013 (a decrease of 19.5%) compared to 294 cases of aggravated burglary (an increase of 3.2%) - it is almost three times more prevalent.

http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/crimejustice/2013/recordedcrime_q22013.pdf

And don't even try and claim that aggravated burglaries do not go unreported.

Yes, we were. We were asked if we wanted to abolish the death sentence for any any all crimes that could be committed, and said yes.

Most sex crimes are not reported but burglaries are.

Mr Williams · 23-12-2013 09:33PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

... and you accuse me of making excuses for criminals?

Sweet Jesus, that's it we're done here.

Your man wasnt a criminal just a concerned citizen who didnt want those beasts in his area.

Mr Williams · 23-12-2013 09:37PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

... and you accuse me of making excuses for criminals?

Sweet Jesus, that's it we're done here.

I'm not surprised to see you running away from the argument.

Your comments were indefeasible.

looking_around · 23-12-2013 10:04PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

Your man wasnt a criminal just a concerned citizen who didnt want those beasts in his area.

Since when is burning down a house not a crime? regardless of who lived there.

end of the road · 23-12-2013 10:09PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

What are you talking about ? Its well known that pedophiles reoffend.

I'm sick of people making excuses for these animals.

according to statistics only 15 % have been proven to re-offend, fact, deal with it, when you post evidence proving what the other 85 % do then we can talk

Holsten · 23-12-2013 10:13PM

Mr. Williams is a troll.

Why bother feeding it and destroying actual discussion?

Billy86 · 23-12-2013 10:16PM

Holsten wrote: »

Mr. Williams is a troll.

Why bother feeding it and destroying actual discussion?

Fair point, I'll pop it on ignore.

end of the road · 23-12-2013 10:30PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

Yes but it happens extremely rarely.

once is once to many, i don't want ferrel vidulanti vermin in my community thanks

Mr Williams wrote: »

Wheelie bin man did his community a favour he should not be locked up.

Wheelie bin man is a piece of ferrel vermin who needs to be locked up indefinitely, he was probably going to murder someone anyway eventually, just so happens that his first was a paediophile, next time it might be someone for looking strange

end of the road · 23-12-2013 10:36PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

it wasnt murder

debatable

Mr Williams wrote: »

it was manslaughter

because they probably couldn't get enough evidence to charge him with murder, but no doubt it probably was his intention to kill.

Mr Williams wrote: »

the guy was only trying to scare him.

was he? and how would you know that now? because thats what he supposibly said in court which in turn was reported in the papers? you know people do say things as part of their deffence? chances are he knew exactly what he was going to do and did so, the CPS couldn't get enough evidence so he was charged with a lesser crime to make sure he served some time at least, he's still locked up thankfully for a while at least.

end of the road · 23-12-2013 10:41PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

We were never asked if supported capital punishment against child killers and serial child abusers.

wrong, you were asked whether to keep it or abolish it, if your for it for sex offenders and rapists then you would say yes, sounds simple to me and i expect most people.

Mr Williams wrote: »

Most people with any common sense would support the execution of those people.

lol, why would "Most people with any common sense" support the execution of those people or anyone? maybe those who don't support executions have the common sense no? what makes your way right? what right do you have to decide who lives or not?

end of the road · 23-12-2013 10:44PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

Your man wasnt a criminal just a concerned citizen who didnt want those beasts in his area.

the law says otherwise

Arrow. · 24-12-2013 08:42AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not every pedophile acts on his or her desires. It´s the same with any fetish or philia.

In any case, putting someone to death because of somethign they are and not because of something they´ve done is defintiely never going to be a good idea.

Oh I'm not speaking in the context of putting them to death for being a pedophile. Was just making the point that I believe them to be a risk...see further down.

looking_around wrote: »

Thats like saying, someone who plays GTA is going to go around robbing cars and killing people.

Thoughts aren't a crime.

Not a good analogy and not at all the same.

Holsten wrote: »

It's also akin to suggesting that everyday normal men are a danger as they find women attractive and might rape them.

Also that stat of 85% is in relation to people convicted of a sexual crime, not people with a diagnosis of pedophilia.

Sex offender does not equal pedophile.

I know that, I never said it did, but we've veered towards speaking about pedophiles so I'll continue...

..It's not at all akin to that.

Sex with a woman is completely legal, achievable and something society would expect from a grown man (unless he's gay then..ya know!).

If you're a pedophile, you're attracted to kids. You're going to want something to scratch that itch, even if it's a picture - which of course is not OK.

I think it's very naive to suggest that pedophile's can live and function with a few impure thoughts and not act on it at all, in any way.

OldNotWIse · 24-12-2013 10:20AM

Mr Williams wrote: »

I'm not surprised to see you running away from the argument.

Your comments were indefeasible.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-12-2013 02:07PM

Arrow. wrote: »

Oh I'm not speaking in the context of putting them to death for being a pedophile. Was just making the point that I believe them to be a risk...see further down.

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I think it's very naive to suggest that pedophile's can live and function with a few impure thoughts and not act on it at all, in any way.

You're suggesting punihsing someone for something they are, regardless.

Also: how do you know someone is a pedophile if they never touch a child?

Fred Swanson · 24-12-2013 04:50PM

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Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-12-2013 05:17PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Ok, rephrase question: how do you know unless the get cuaght committing the offense?

How do you convict and sentence someone to death for beign a pedophile, without ever cathcing them committing an offense?

The whole idea of the death penalty simply for someone being something, wihtout any evidence that they've committed an offense is one of the most dangerous ideas expressed on this thread.

Fred Swanson · 24-12-2013 05:23PM

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Billy86 · 24-12-2013 06:46PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Your reading comprehension needs some work there Fred.

looking_around · 24-12-2013 06:49PM

Arrow. wrote: »

If you're a pedophile, you're attracted to kids. You're going to want something to scratch that itch, even if it's a picture - which of course is not OK.

I think it's very naive to suggest that pedophile's can live and function with a few impure thoughts and not act on it at all, in any way.

Alot of them are using 3G CGI and couldn't bare the thought of harming a kid. many peadophiles are very conflicted in their attraction, and feel horrible simply thinking about kids, they do not want to actually harm a kid
You'd still be punishing someone, for something they cannot help. For thoughts not actions

How do you know every peadophile touches a kid or watches child porn(real, not cartoons)?

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And on my analogy, is it not?
How so?
It's a game about being a criminal, and one could say people like that because they want to do it in real life, but won't because it's against the law/dangerous etc

Mr Williams · 20-01-2014 09:31PM

end of the road wrote: »

once is once to many, i don't want ferrel vidulanti vermin in my community thanks

Wheelie bin man is a piece of ferrel vermin who needs to be locked up indefinitely, he was probably going to murder someone anyway eventually, just so happens that his first was a paediophile, next time it might be someone for looking strange

Apologies for not writing back sooner my laptop packed up over the christmas.

I would rather have wheelie bin man living in my area than a sex beast.

Wheelie bin man sounds like a civically minded individual who was trying to protect his community.

Mr Williams · 20-01-2014 09:37PM

end of the road wrote: »

the law says otherwise

Sometimes the law is wrong. The law also released larry murphy into the community. In some cases people need to forgot the law and do whats right. Those of us with kids can not allow these sex beasts to live in our community.

Mr Williams · 20-01-2014 09:40PM

end of the road wrote: »

debatable

because they probably couldn't get enough evidence to charge him with murder, but no doubt it probably was his intention to kill.

was he? and how would you know that now? because thats what he supposibly said in court which in turn was reported in the papers? you know people do say things as part of their deffence? chances are he knew exactly what he was going to do and did so, the CPS couldn't get enough evidence so he was charged with a lesser crime to make sure he served some time at least, he's still locked up thankfully for a while at least.

You seem more concerned about a dead sex beast than the people he abused.

The world is a better place without this beast.

end of the road · 20-01-2014 09:42PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

Apologies for not writing back sooner my laptop packed up over the christmas.

I would rather have wheelie bin man living in my area than a sex beast.

Wheelie bin man sounds like a civically minded individual who was trying to protect his community.

lol, he didn't care about his community, his sort don't care about their community either, its all about inflating their ego, thankfully they fail

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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