Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

Dempsey · 18-01-2014 07:55PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Dempsey, you seriously need to read what is actually said.

I never said that the Celtic fans didn't help in getting McCann in, which was ultimately the best move.

But they didn't 'run the spivs out', those decisions were made well above the head of any fan.

And since you asked so friendly *cough* I googled Brian Dempsey.

http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Brian+Dempsey

Oh, and:

Again from the same article.

Dubbed by some as a martyr and hero, he was to prove to be quite a difficult character to assess. Unafraid to make public appearances criticising the board at Celtic supporter meetings (such as "Save our Celts"), go on the radio or do TV interviewers, he was a very visible character. Dempsey had some strong supporters in the press (in particular the highly sycophantic Gerry McNee) which helped him, but his support amongst the club supporters seemed to decline.

Working with Fergus and others, they put together the organisations to take over the club as it crumbled.

However, he played his part to help bring down the old regime, and for the long-term benefit of the club he deserves our respect for that at least.

And if you look a little lower

MILLIONAIRE Brian Dempsey has consistently championed the cause of the Celtic fans for change ...

After experiencing at first hand the determination of the board to do things their way.Dempsey, 44, was co-opted as a director of the club in May 1990, along with Michael Kelly.It was a real break with tradition which was seen at the time as a far-sighted move to help the Parkhead club increase revenue and boost their image in the business community.Property developer Dempsey's company had enjoyed a turnover of £20 million in the financial year prior to his walking into the boardroom.Dempsey was from outwith the family dynasties which had controlled Celtic - he even had an executive box at Ibrox - but his commitment to the club was never in doubt.

However, five months later, he found himself booted out in bizarre circumstances.A mere five minutes before the club's AGM in October 1990, Dempsey was told that Michael Kelly and major shareholder Chris White intended to oppose his ratification to the board.White said at the time there was a "fundamental difference of opinion at board level as to how the club could be kept at the top level in British football".

Where Celtic should play their football was central to that difference of opinion.Dempsey felt Celtic should relocate in another part of Glasgow.And he had a piece of prime land, at the edge of the Stepps bypass, which he was keen to offer for a new stadium.It was also felt his idea that Celtic should become a public limited company had not gone down well with the men at the top.Fellow-director Jimmy Farrell became embroiled in the row and claimed White had tried to axe him, too, because he backed Dempsey.Fans were furious at the boardroom coup and began a campaign for change.Dempsey, whose late father was the Labour MP for Coatbridge and Airdrie, became their unofficial champion and spoke at the inaugural meeting of the Save Our Celts group in February 1991.He said the board should stop their "childish petulance" and forget the idea that anyone who dares to criticise them is creating mischief.And later he withdrew thousands of pounds in sponsorship to the club.

Since then he has been a major player on the sidelines as the grass-roots campaign to get rid of the board gained momentum.In March 1992, along with financial expert David Low and Canadian Jim Doherty, he led a successful fight by rebel shareholders to prevent Farrell and fellow-director Tom Grant being booted off the board.Dempsey ridiculed the board's plans to build a super stadium at Cambuslang, calling it "worse than EuroDisney," and encouraged fans to boycott matches.He told a supporters rally: "You have the power - use it. You have the courage - don't be afraid." When Scots-born tycoon Fergus McCann came from Canada to join the power struggle, Dempsey teamed up with him.

The McCann-Dempsey consortium launched an £18 million bid for control of Celtic.But a voting pact of five directors stopped them in their tracks.The pact prevented the "rebels" mustering enough votes to push through their financial lifeline.The plug had been pulled. Dempsey and McCann walked away.But they were never too far away from the action.

Amazing how you have the blinkers on

Not so amazing is your knowledge (or more importantly the lack of) of what actually happened then try to turn around and tell us what happened based on a 2 second google! :rolleyes:

Jelle1880 · 18-01-2014 08:07PM

Still no proof from you that it was the Celtic fans who 'ran the spivs out', as it was so eloquently put.

Sure, comments on me as usual but that's hardly any proof.

Since you seem to be so ITK, how exactly did the Celtic fans force anyone out ?

Staying away ? Backing Dempsey and McCann by protests ?

The only thing that is sure is that they backed McCann once he was in tremendously (as mentioned, the massive amount of season tickets etc.) but that has nothing to do with what happened during the takeover.

Banners during games amount to nothing in the great scheme of things.

Hagar the Nice. · 18-01-2014 08:19PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Still no proof from you that it was the Celtic fans who 'ran the spivs out', as it was so eloquently put.

Sure, comments on me as usual but that's hardly any proof.

Since you seem to be so ITK, how exactly did the Celtic fans force anyone out ?

Staying away ? Backing Dempsey and McCann by protests ?

The only thing that is sure is that they backed McCann once he was in tremendously (as mentioned, the massive amount of season tickets etc.) but that has nothing to do with what happened during the takeover.

Banners during games amount to nothing in the great scheme of things.

Quite simple really,we stayed away in droves,more so after the 4-2 defeat at CP,the old board were barracked non stop for the last 20 minutes,once it was ft,the fans gave them laldy.
The attendance dropped big time,the board knew their time was up,and BTW,Brian Dempsey was backed by 90% of our fans,I know because I was there.

Dempsey · 18-01-2014 08:23PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Still no proof from you that it was the Celtic fans who 'ran the spivs out', as it was so eloquently put.

Sure, comments on me as usual but that's hardly any proof.

Since you seem to be so ITK, how exactly did the Celtic fans force anyone out ?

Staying away ? Backing Dempsey and McCann by protests ?

The only thing that is sure is that they backed McCann once he was in tremendously (as mentioned, the massive amount of season tickets etc.) but that has nothing to do with what happened during the takeover.

Banners during games amount to nothing in the great scheme of things.

All I pointed out is how you only gleam articles for nuggets to suit your idea that Celtic fans did nothing of note. Seems you just want me to google articles for you with this 'proof it to me' plea. I've nothing to prove to you, go do your own research you ignorant little man.

Dempsey · 18-01-2014 08:35PM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

Quite simple really,we stayed away in droves,more so after the 4-2 defeat at CP,the old board were barracked non stop for the last 20 minutes,once it was ft,the fans gave them laldy.
The attendance dropped big time,the board knew their time was up,and BTW,Brian Dempsey was backed by 90% of our fans,I know because I was there.

As I said earlier, Rangers fans have voted with their feet and money and I'm not sure if that penny has dropped yet!

Jelle1880 · 18-01-2014 08:43PM

Dempsey wrote: »

All I pointed out is how you only gleam articles for nuggets to suit your idea that Celtic fans did nothing of note. Seems you just want me to google articles for you with this 'proof it to me' plea. I've nothing to prove to you, go do your own research you ignorant little man.

It'd now quite clear that you're the one who is just glossing over posts to perpetuate your own ideas about me.

I didn't say anything like that, I simply said that it wasn't the fans who got rid of the old Celtic board.

As for your last sentence, I don't want to get banned but let's just say it shows the kind of person you are.

Lennonist · 18-01-2014 08:57PM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

Quite simple really,we stayed away in droves,more so after the 4-2 defeat at CP,the old board were barracked non stop for the last 20 minutes,once it was ft,the fans gave them laldy.
The attendance dropped big time,the board knew their time was up,and BTW,Brian Dempsey was backed by 90% of our fans,I know because I was there.

From memory the Celtic fans boycotts were significant and had a huge affect on getting the old board out. The gates plummeted and it was due directly to the boycott. The turmoil at Celtic went on for a while. I remember Jim Kerr from Simple Minds was mentioned in the media as a high profile potential investor. Charlie Nicholas was involved with meetings organising boycotts. All sorts of speculation was going on.

The old board at one stage talked about selling Parkhead and building a new stadium in Cambuslang. The protests from the fans helped to pave the way for McCann to come in. The message was clear from the supporters that they would not support the club unless bona fide people took charge. I think this is the key point in relation to The The Rangers, this has not appeared to have happened with them. Perhaps since they actually went under and died it's probably less likely to happen, because they would only be trying to save a reincarnation of the old club.

When McCann came in at Celtic, he was backed to the hilt. Rangers didn't find a McCann. Did their supporters do enough to save their club? I think they know the answer to that themselves.

Dempsey · 18-01-2014 08:57PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

It'd now quite clear that you're the one who is just glossing over posts to perpetuate your own ideas about me.

I didn't say anything like that, I simply said that it wasn't the fans who got rid of the old Celtic board.

As for your last sentence, I don't want to get banned but let's just say it shows the kind of person you are.

Now you are twisting your own words.

That's not 'running spivs out of Celtic Park'.
The protests against the board by the Celtic fans resulted in the same as those at Ibrox: Not much.

Nothing of note is another way of saying not much in my book and many others.

Celtic fans had a very significant part to play as did Brian Dempsey. You seem to be the only Scottish Football fan that would dispute this.

As for the person I am, I'm just speaking my mind. You either like it or you dont. Have your best shot I wont report ya. What you think of me wont lose me any sleep but I'm sure its colourful!

LiamoSail · 18-01-2014 09:25PM

Lennonist wrote: »

Did their supporters do enough to save their club? .

When they were needed, they stepped up. And showed liquidation the red card

Hagar the Nice. · 18-01-2014 09:43PM

Lennonist wrote: »

From memory the Celtic fans boycotts were significant and had a huge affect on getting the old board out. The gates plummeted and it was due directly to the boycott. The turmoil at Celtic went on for a while. I remember Jim Kerr from Simple Minds was mentioned in the media as a high profile potential investor. Charlie Nicholas was involved with meetings organising boycotts. All sorts of speculation was going on.

The old board at one stage talked about selling Parkhead and building a new stadium in Cambuslang. The protests from the fans helped to pave the way for McCann to come in. The message was clear from the supporters that they would not support the club unless bona fide people took charge. I think this is the key point in relation to The The Rangers, this has not appeared to have happened with them. Perhaps since they actually went under and died it's probably less likely to happen, because they would only be trying to save a reincarnation of the old club.

When McCann came in at Celtic, he was backed to the hilt. Rangers didn't find a McCann. Did their supporters do enough to save their club? I think they know the answer to that themselves.

I still have The Celtic View from the week it showed us moving to Robroyston and showing what like it would be when finished.
Thing is,it was all pie in the sky and we knew it cos the club was skint.
This is quite a good article about it.

http://www.talkceltic.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3874506

Hagar the Nice. · 18-01-2014 09:47PM

How the 'mighty' have fallen eh!
Natcho Novo ready to sign for Hurlford Juniors.

A Dub in Glasgo · 19-01-2014 09:14AM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/10581698/Rangers-manager-Ally-McCoist-blames-rogue-traders-for-clubs-plight.html

McCoist really does not have a clue

Coillte_Bhoy · 19-01-2014 02:19PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/10581698/Rangers-manager-Ally-McCoist-blames-rogue-traders-for-clubs-plight.html

McCoist really does not have a clue

That reporter nails the truth...

They were plunged into administration in February 2012 and ceased to exist in June of that year.

There is the real prospect of the new club

Jelle1880 · 19-01-2014 02:33PM

New club, and yet you lot still can't shut the **** up about us

weldoninhio · 19-01-2014 02:34PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/10581698/Rangers-manager-Ally-McCoist-blames-rogue-traders-for-clubs-plight.html

McCoist really does not have a clue

McCoist knows exactly whats going on, has done from the start. He's just making sure he makes as much as possible before it goes kaput again.

Coillte_Bhoy · 19-01-2014 03:27PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

New club, and yet you lot still can't shut the **** up about us

New club, same fans, same culture etc

Eirebear · 19-01-2014 05:18PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

New club, same fans, same culture etc

...same players, same staff, same stadium, same training ground, same problems, same hatred by Celtic fans.

Yep, completely different entity.

TBH, I can understand you lot coming on here and taking the piss, that's fine but it's hilarious looking at some of you expecting sensible debate and conversation at the same time.
One or the other lads, carry on.

weldoninhio · 19-01-2014 05:26PM

Eirebear wrote: »

...same players, same staff, same stadium, same training ground, same problems, same hatred by Celtic fans.

Yep, completely different entity.

TBH, I can understand you lot coming on here and taking the piss, that's fine but it's hilarious looking at some of you expecting sensible debate and conversation at the same time.
One or the other lads, carry on.

Didn't the old club have Alan McGregor? Steven Naismith? Whittaker etc??

Dempsey · 19-01-2014 05:33PM

Eirebear wrote: »

...same players, same staff, same stadium, same training ground, same problems, same hatred by Celtic fans.

Yep, completely different entity.

TBH, I can understand you lot coming on here and taking the piss, that's fine but it's hilarious looking at some of you expecting sensible debate and conversation at the same time.
One or the other lads, carry on.

The speculators that own RIFC, SFA & SPFL thank you for your continued delusion.

LiamoSail · 19-01-2014 05:55PM

Eirebear wrote: »

TBH, I can understand you lot coming on here and taking the piss, that's fine but it's hilarious looking at some of you expecting sensible debate and conversation at the same time.
One or the other lads, carry on.

I'm guilty of that myself, but I agree with your point.

What's going on at Rangers now is topical and worthy of discussion. Between Kerrydale Street & the HuddleBoard, and RangersMedia & FollowFollow, anyone can fill their boots with the usual "Haha stupid huns" and "Fenian bastard mhedia WATP" generic lark. This thread is a good opportunity to discuss event without the groupthink and dismissive mentality that exists elsewhere

I hope this isn't interpreted as back seat modding, but given the rules of the forum regarding conduct, and that most who post here are amicable and reasonably sensible, I would think there's an opportunity to develop a good, informative discussion on events unfolding at Ibrox, while avoiding the pitfalls that hamper most other fan sites

bobbysands81 · 23-01-2014 02:05PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

You waited for McCann to step in with his money and then backed him.

That's not 'running spivs out of Celtic Park'.
The protests against the board by the Celtic fans resulted in the same as those at Ibrox: Not much.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/fergus-mccanns-battle-save-celtic-3013568

He pretty much did the same as what some of the Rangers groups attempted now (Blue Knights, McColl's group,...), with the difference that the board of Celtic back then completely misread his intentions. The ones at Ibrox are fully aware of how to keep other people out.

The 'obsessed' thing is not exactly because we were warned, it's because of what's clearly visible in this thread.

There are none so blind as those that refuse to see.
Your inability to accept constructive criticism is unreal Jelle, but you just keep follow following.

Jelle1880 · 24-01-2014 01:50AM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

There are none so blind as those that refuse to see.
Your inability to accept constructive criticism is unreal Jelle, but you just keep follow following.

Constructive criticism

That'll be a first for some on here.

LiamoSail: As long as some of the Celtic fans behave like petulant kids who only come in here to stir trouble I doubt we'll see many sensible debates.

I'm all for taking the piss in either this or the Celtic thread, but it seems like a few of the tims on here feel the need to constantly go further, down to the pathetic and nasty. God forbid if a Rangers fan comes into a Celtic thread to joke around (the thread from the Juventus game comes to mind), but apparently it's a free for all in here.

The worst part is that when a Celtic fan (CSF for example) makes a comment about how the Hagars of this world need to chill out they're somehow seen as 'not real fans' ?

A Dub in Glasgo · 24-01-2014 07:14AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

The worst part is that when a Celtic fan (CSF for example) makes a comment about how the Hagars of this world need to chill out they're somehow seen as 'not real fans' ?

You are definitely extracting the urine now

Jelle1880 · 24-01-2014 10:40AM

I actually thought he was one :pac:

Coillte_Bhoy · 24-01-2014 12:15PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I actually thought he was one :pac:

Just because he posts idiotic nonsense? Fair assumption i suppose

Hagar the Nice. · 24-01-2014 02:15PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Constructive criticism

That'll be a first for some on here.

LiamoSail: As long as some of the Celtic fans behave like petulant kids who only come in here to stir trouble I doubt we'll see many sensible debates.

I'm all for taking the piss in either this or the Celtic thread, but it seems like a few of the tims on here feel the need to constantly go further, down to the pathetic and nasty. God forbid if a Rangers fan comes into a Celtic thread to joke around (the thread from the Juventus game comes to mind), but apparently it's a free for all in here.

The worst part is that when a Celtic fan (CSF for example) makes a comment about how the Hagars of this world need to chill out they're somehow seen as 'not real fans' ?

CSF one of us?
In the words of JP McEnroe,'Ye canny be serious laddie.'.

bobbysands81 · 25-01-2014 12:36AM

Your Financial Director, Brian Stockbridge, has walked away. The gift keeps on giving.

He's followed David Murray, Alistair Johnston, Paul Murray, Martin Bain, Donald McIntyre, Gordon Smith, Ali Russell, Gregg Wylde, Steven Naismith, Maurice Edu, Carlos Bocanegra, Dorin Goian, Kirk Broadfoot, Rhys McCabe, Sone Aluko, Salim Kerkar, Alejandro Bedoya, Manuel Ortiz, Steven Whittaker, Jamie Ness, John Fleck, Kyle Lafferty, Allan McGregor, Steven Davis, Kevin Kyle, Fran Sandaza, Pip Yeates, Neil Murray, Tommy Wilson, Ross McAskill, Charles Green, Imran Ahmad, Neil Alexander, Malcolm Murray, Philip Cartmell, Lindsay Herron, Walter Smith, Kal Naismith, Blair Currie, Charles Green (again !), Andrew Mitchell, Scott Gallacher, Anestis Argyriou, Ian Hart, Craig Mather, Bryan Smart, James Traynor, Darren Cole, Dave King, Paul Murray (again !) and Malcolm Murray (again !) who have all also walked away.

TheBuilder · 25-01-2014 12:37AM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Your Financial Director, Brian Stockbridge, has walked away.

Not before time, scumbag

bobbysands81 · 25-01-2014 12:41AM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Not before time, scumbag

Being serious now... is it good for you he's gone? If so, how come?

bobbysands81 · 25-01-2014 12:42AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Constructive criticism

That'll be a first for some on here.

LiamoSail: As long as some of the Celtic fans behave like petulant kids who only come in here to stir trouble I doubt we'll see many sensible debates.

I'm all for taking the piss in either this or the Celtic thread, but it seems like a few of the tims on here feel the need to constantly go further, down to the pathetic and nasty. God forbid if a Rangers fan comes into a Celtic thread to joke around (the thread from the Juventus game comes to mind), but apparently it's a free for all in here.

The worst part is that when a Celtic fan (CSF for example) makes a comment about how the Hagars of this world need to chill out they're somehow seen as 'not real fans' ?

CSF a Celtic fan?

Good Jesus.

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