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eVision (IPTV service from Eircom) [Merged]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,860 ✭✭✭BionicRasher


    barrackali wrote: »
    Have you seen how poor Evisions channel lineup is?

    Its not a bad line up for €10
    Has some stuff the basic Sky line up has not got like Discovery and Setanta Animal Planet and RTE Junior
    All for 1/3 the price of Sky

    Keep the old Sky dish and boxes and you should also continue to get all the Free to Air stuff

    Its a no brainer for a basic TV package in cost savings compared to Sky if you have it in a bundle with Broadband. you can also get an all in bundle which includes a free smart phone and monthly package for €70 per month. If I were to get all that with separate suppliers and bills I would be looking at about €90. For the parents it really is a saving anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,549 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    No ITV/UTV would be the main drawback I'd say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,860 ✭✭✭BionicRasher


    Alun wrote: »
    No ITV/UTV would be the main drawback I'd say.

    Hopefully they are coming to the service but if you are switching from Sky you can always get them FTA with your dish and old sky box


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    fifib wrote: »
    Will eircom do all the setup/cabling with the broadband to the TVs?
    Yes: the signal is carried on the mains electricity via homeplugs. You just need to make sure you can connect the homeplug to an actual mains socket rather than a trailing socket, and only use one of the sockets if it's a double (this has been the most irritating bit for me, but the signal does get worse if I use the second socket on the plate :mad:). The homeplug has pass-through so you don't lose the use of the socket it's in. The guys who did our install were great and made sure everything was working before they left.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭fifib


    BeerNut wrote: »
    only use one of the sockets if it's a double (this has been the most irritating bit for me, but the signal does get worse if I use the second socket on the plate :mad:

    Well thats not ideal. Both TV areas in my parents have double sockets. So they will be able to pick up the channels just not watch them cos they cant plug in the actual TV to the other socket point! :confused:

    Looks like it wont be rolled out in their area anyways until May '14. will have to persevere with Sky until then!


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    fifib wrote: »
    So they will be able to pick up the channels just not watch them cos they cant plug in the actual TV to the other socket point! :confused:
    They can stick a trailing socket in the passthrough on the homeplug and plug the TV and decoder into that. Not pretty, but it should work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    fifib wrote: »
    Got eVision leaflet in paper yesterday. hadnt heard about it until now and considering it for parents. they currently have SKY in 2 rooms and broadband with Vodafone. From what the leaflet says they will make a huge saving switching over. My only concern is the setup. they have broadband coming into modem in hallway and they use wifi for tablet, phones and laptops. The 2 tvs then have cables coming from the satellite dish outside. Will eircom do all the setup/cabling with the broadband to the TVs?

    If you check the leaflet it tells u they will need to bring a cable from the broadband socket to the rooms you want tv....


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    steveon wrote: »
    If you check the leaflet it tells u they will need to bring a cable from the broadband socket to the rooms you want tv....

    Heh? Multi room works on power plugs, not additional wiring.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    Sully wrote: »
    Heh? Multi room works on power plugs, not additional wiring.

    Home-plugs or power plugs as you call them are problematic...cant see this being an ideal solution for everyone!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    so this isnt wireless really? you need homeplugs or wired set up like sky used to insist on for multiroom?


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    so this isnt wireless really? you need homeplugs or wired set up
    It's not wireless at all. Eircom provides the homeplugs as part of the set-up.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    so this isnt wireless really? you need homeplugs or wired set up like sky used to insist on for multiroom?

    I'm not sure what cables the advert mentioned but I sold evision when it launched and the multiroom always used home plugs. Homeplugs are wireless.

    If they don't work than maybe they will wire it up. Who knows, I never came across it before.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    Sully wrote: »
    Homeplugs are wireless.
    :confused: You've lost me.

    Telly [HDMI>] STB [ethernet>] Homeplug [mains>] Homeplug [ethernet>] Modem.

    Wires all the way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,669 ✭✭✭who_me


    BeerNut wrote: »
    :confused: You've lost me.

    Telly [HDMI>] STB [ethernet>] Homeplug [mains>] Homeplug [ethernet>] Modem.

    Wires all the way.

    Quite right. Can't comment on the Homeplugs Eircom provides, but I have them for home and they're very good, far more reliable than Wifi and faster (unless you have a good, recent N or AC Wifi router.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    BeerNut wrote: »
    :confused: You've lost me.

    Telly [HDMI>] STB [ethernet>] Homeplug [mains>] Homeplug [ethernet>] Modem.

    Wires all the way.

    Sorry, I should have been clearer.

    In terms of 'wireless', I meant when compared to UPC or Sky.

    Eircom don't need to wire up any cables from outside / downstairs into each room. Unlike their competitors, the box can move from room to room.

    It has wires from the box to the TV, that's it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    any update on the extra channels "coming soon" that the leaftlet says are coming? I would be suprised if Evision even got anywhere near 10000 customers with that channel line up compared to UPC's offering for 60euro which others point out is far far superior.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Tom Hanks


    Can anyone who has this service tell me if there is a delay on the stream compared to say Saorview?

    If so how many seconds is it


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Tom Hanks wrote: »
    Can anyone who has this service tell me if there is a delay on the stream compared to say Saorview?

    If so how many seconds is it

    Flicking between channels is pretty much instant, no real noticeable delay. Very like Sky. I haven't seen Horizon but Sky & evision have the better UI IMO compared with the old UPC system.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭frankz


    With evision is there any options similar to rf2/magic eye on sky?

    I am not talking about multiroom - I see evision do a separate box for that but it doesn't allow you to watch material recorded on the main box plus there is an extra charge. (as there is with other providers for multiroom)

    What I am looking for is to be able to watch the same channels on other tvs and watch recorded programmes on any of the linked tvs. At the moment I can do this with no extra charge with my sky set up -

    at the moment sky box in sitting room and then - via rf2 and magic eyes - is feed to kitchen and spare room (reluctant to call the spare room the home gym!!) for just one subscription charge. (for my requirements its fine having to have same channel in all rooms, ie don't need multiroom)

    Can I have similar set up with evision?

    Sorry if my explanation is poor

    In brief, with evision, is it possible to distribute the same signal around to other tvs? (ie without going multiroom)


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    frankz wrote: »
    With evision is there any options similar to rf2/magic eye on sky?

    I am not talking about multiroom - I see evision do a separate box for that but it doesn't allow you to watch material recorded on the main box plus there is an extra charge. (as there is with other providers for multiroom)

    What I am looking for is to be able to watch the same channels on other tvs and watch recorded programmes on any of the linked tvs. At the moment I can do this with no extra charge with my sky set up -

    at the moment sky box in sitting room and then - via rf2 and magic eyes - is feed to kitchen and spare room (reluctant to call the spare room the home gym!!) for just one subscription charge. (for my requirements its fine having to have same channel in all rooms, ie don't need multiroom)

    Can I have similar set up with evision?

    Sorry if my explanation is poor

    In brief, with evision, is it possible to distribute the same signal around to other tvs? (ie without going multiroom)

    That's something I would love to see an answer for. In some setups (not evision related) houses can watch whatever is on the main box in any other room. You just tune in the channel. We have it here at home, but have no magic eye or multi room setup. Whatever way the box is setup, I can tune in the 'Sky' Channel on any other TV in the house. I have never fully understood how it works.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭frankz


    Sully wrote: »
    That's something I would love to see an answer for. In some setups (not evision related) houses can watch whatever is on the main box in any other room. You just tune in the channel. We have it here at home, but have no magic eye or multi room setup. Whatever way the box is setup, I can tune in the 'Sky' Channel on any other TV in the house. I have never fully understood how it works.

    For sky its easy enough set up - basically cable out of back of sky box to a distribution box and cable from that box to various tvs in the house. (An easy diy for me who wouldn't be great at diy!!)

    Not having a magic eye just means you cant change the sky channel from the other rooms. In a family situation might be handy that control of the sky box stays in the main room.

    Do you have evision?
    Still wondering is it possible to do something similar with evision


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,646 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    As eVision boxes only have HDMI out, it won't be possible to do a free "multiroom" with eVision.

    This is a definite drawback of eVision (along with many others).

    With Sky, you can "mirror" the output of your Sky box to a second, third, etc. TV

    UPC has the 17 basic analogue channels (not available in Cork) that can be used as a free multiroom in a second room.

    The UPC Horizon box also has the ability to stream channels to a laptop or tablet.

    I think Eircom will have to do something similar to Horizon and allow free streaming to a laptop or tablet to improve the competitiveness of eVision.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,860 ✭✭✭BionicRasher


    bk wrote: »
    As eVision boxes only have HDMI out, it won't be possible to do a free "multiroom" with eVision.

    This is a definite drawback of eVision (along with many others).

    With Sky, you can "mirror" the output of your Sky box to a second, third, etc. TV

    UPC has the 17 basic analogue channels (not available in Cork) that can be used as a free multiroom in a second room.

    The UPC Horizon box also has the ability to stream channels to a laptop or tablet.

    I think Eircom will have to do something similar to Horizon and allow free streaming to a laptop or tablet to improve the competitiveness of eVision.

    Wow you love bashing eVision. We realise that it may not be all singing and dancing and it's not for you but give it a break.

    On another note. Is there any pictures or video of the actual eVision box and UI? Can someone who has it clarify some questions and queries?

    Is there full 7 day EPG for all channels?
    Is there a series record function?
    What connections are around the back of the box?
    Is the box easily movable (i.e. not tied to a cable feed but to a network connection through the homeplugs)

    Edit: Found some stuff on the website but still interested in peoples opinion/details on the box and the ease of use etc of things like series record etc


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    tui0hcg wrote: »
    Is there full 7 day EPG for all channels?
    Yes.
    tui0hcg wrote: »
    Is there a series record function?
    Yes. I tried it once and it didn't work. Possibly operator error, but definitely not one of those things that just works, intuitively.
    tui0hcg wrote: »
    Is the box easily movable (i.e. not tied to a cable feed but to a network connection through the homeplugs)
    Yes -- anywhere you can plug a homeplug you can put the box.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,646 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    tui0hcg wrote: »
    Wow you love bashing eVision. We realise that it may not be all singing and dancing and it's not for you but give it a break.

    MOD WARNING: I'll remind you the first rule of boards is to attack the post, not the poster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,860 ✭✭✭BionicRasher


    bk wrote: »
    As eVision boxes only have HDMI out, it won't be possible to do a free "multiroom" with eVision.

    This is a definite drawback of eVision (along with many others).

    I dont think Sky are too keen on people having free multi room sets up either. Eircom have obviously built a box to try to stop this so I dont see how its a drawback.


    There are drawbacks to everything but IMHO eVision has its strenghts and weaknesses just like everything else
    For the typical user all they want is a TV service in the room they have their main TV and this box will do that job without issue. It will record, series link, show Irish and UK TV, has no set up fee, is moveable and all for a good price and all on one remote control.

    I really dont get all the anti eVision sentiments that are going on in this and other threads. Its a basic service at a good price point for many and is a good addition to the TV market place.
    It may not suit everyone but what will?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭frankz


    tui0hcg wrote: »
    I dont think Sky are too keen on people having free multi room sets up either. Eircom have obviously built a box to try to stop this so I dont see how its a drawback.


    There are drawbacks to everything but IMHO eVision has its strenghts and weaknesses just like everything else
    For the typical user all they want is a TV service in the room they have their main TV and this box will do that job without issue. It will record, series link, show Irish and UK TV, has no set up fee, is moveable and all for a good price and all on one remote control.

    I really dont get all the anti eVision sentiments that are going on in this and other threads. Its a basic service at a good price point for many and is a good addition to the TV market place.
    It may not suit everyone but what will?

    Thanks guys for the clarification.

    Ya exactly evision seems good if it suits the household.
    Our house for example used to having sky in 3 different rooms so evision wouldn't work
    tui0hcg wrote: »
    I dont think Sky are too keen on people having free multi room sets up either. Eircom have obviously built a box to try to stop this so I dont see how its a drawback.


    Just to be clear what I am talking about is not free multiroom - if you want multiroom you pay extra to sky or what ever provider.
    What I have is "mirror" channels in the other room - dont see how sky are not keen on this as their box provides for the option.


    Maybe I misinterpreting but anything sky aren't keen on they simply dont allow. IE They massive organisation and as a customer you can either do something or you can. (not like friends where frowned upon rather against the rules!! :-) :-) )

    Maybe my post wasnt clear and it suggested that I was trying to get something that I shouldn't from sky - this is not the case I am just using a feature of the sky service and if I was to get tv service from a different provider I was just checking would I be able to get a similar set up.
    (hope that clarifies why it might be a drawback for some people)


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,646 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    tui0hcg wrote: »
    I really dont get all the anti eVision sentiments that are going on in this and other threads. Its a basic service at a good price point for many and is a good addition to the TV market place.
    It may not suit everyone but what will?

    Well my own personal opinion is that it is a very poor service, with a limited range of channels, limited features and relatively bad value for money.

    It really isn't a good price point when you factor in that it requires the overly expensive Eircom eFibre product in the first place.

    It may improve in the future, but as it stands now, it is of little benefit to the majority of people and is a very disappointing product.

    I want to see more competition in the TV and Broadband market, but this really isn't it.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    bk wrote: »
    Well my own personal opinion is that it is a very poor service, with a limited range of channels, limited features and relatively bad value for money.

    It really isn't a good price point when you factor in that it requires the overly expensive Eircom eFibre product in the first place.

    It may improve in the future, but as it stands now, it is of little benefit to the majority of people and is a very disappointing product.

    I want to see more competition in the TV and Broadband market, but this really isn't it.

    €10 isn't overpriced IMO.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,860 ✭✭✭BionicRasher


    bk wrote: »
    Well my own personal opinion is that it is a very poor service, with a limited range of channels, limited features and relatively bad value for money.

    It really isn't a good price point when you factor in that it requires the overly expensive Eircom eFibre product in the first place.

    It may improve in the future, but as it stands now, it is of little benefit to the majority of people and is a very disappointing product.

    I want to see more competition in the TV and Broadband market, but this really isn't it.

    My personal opinion is that it's good value for a basic service and not a bad product at all . It would work out 7 euro cheaper a month than what I would pay for broadband phone and sky TV basic package and that's excluding any free months on offer at the moment. It has all the services like series record and record 2 channels etc and a full epg unlike my current free to air. The UI seems good and Its a free installation too.
    It's great to see that it may shake up the market so I say bring it on!


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