If you knew your neighbour was a dole cheat would you report him/her

Specialun · 14-01-2014 01:37PM

Holsten wrote: »

Did the flying in thing ever happen though? I mean where can you fly to/from weekly that gives you a profit after €188?!

yes it did.My brother worked for the revenue/custom's team and they caught a fair few.Most had multiple identities

old hippy · 14-01-2014 01:42PM

No, I am not a member of the curtain twitching brigade & there are those on the dole who find it difficult to cope.

Frigga_92 · 14-01-2014 01:44PM

MonstaMash wrote: »

Re., Question 1: No problem, I just find informing an affront to my own personal code of ethics.

Re., Question 2: I spend a lot of my time giving evidence in court in a professional capacity.

I choose not to get involved in witness accounts, court appearances etc., in a personal capacity.

So if you were lying on the road with your leg hanging off after a crash and there were 2 eye witnesses who pretended they saw nothing that were the only way for you to win your case (and pay for all your medical expenses and other associated expenses), you'd be happy if they just walked away, said nothing, did nothing and left you to it?

BillyMitchel · 14-01-2014 01:48PM

Holsten wrote: »

Did the flying in thing ever happen though? I mean where can you fly to/from weekly that gives you a profit after €188?!

Yeah. Sure loads were caught. At the time it would have been around €212 (cant remember if it was ever more) too. 20 quid flight. 200 bills in a country were its probably a months wage. Remember at one stage it was also paid into banks so they would only have to come back once a month to sign on.

MonstaMash · 14-01-2014 01:48PM

26sdrawkcab wrote: »

So if you were lying on the road with your leg hanging off after a crash and there were 2 eye witnesses who pretended they saw nothing that were the only way for you to win your case (and pay for all your medical expenses and other associated expenses), you'd be happy if they just walked away, said nothing, did nothing and left you to it?

No I wouldn't be happy, I'd be fookd, c'est la vie!

Have you any other scenarios you would like to throw up to convince me of the error of my ways?

It is what it is & I am who I am, the only one who can change that is me...

Good luck with your crusade :P

Frigga_92 · 14-01-2014 01:57PM

MonstaMash wrote: »

No I wouldn't be happy, I'd be fookd, c'est la vie!

Have you any other scenarios you would like to throw up to convince me of the error of my ways?

It is what it is & I am who I am, the only one who can change that is me...

Good luck with your crusade :P

No crusade here ted, just can't believe anyone could be so unbelievably selfish.

Good luck with your life, karma is a bitch.

donegal__road · 14-01-2014 02:01PM

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Yeah. Sure loads were caught. At the time it would have been around €212 (cant remember if it was ever more) too. 20 quid flight. 200 bills in a country were its probably a months wage. Remember at one stage it was also paid into banks so they would only have to come back once a month to sign on.

yep, it was the once a month people that were flying in to sign on... the time the volcano erupted in Iceland and all the flights were cancelled across Europe, 3500 failed to show up to sign-on in Ireland.

MonstaMash · 14-01-2014 02:07PM

26sdrawkcab wrote: »

No crusade here ted, just can't believe anyone could be so unbelievably selfish.

Good luck with your life, karma is a bitch.

Believe :eek:

Don't know Karma, but that's a very unkind thing to say...Ted

banquo · 14-01-2014 02:08PM

No. You don't know the person's circumstances - you could be crippling them while they're waiting on rent allowance or dietry supplement for the sake of 188 a week.

When in doubt, err on the side of humanity.

BillyMitchel · 14-01-2014 02:15PM

donegal__road wrote: »

yep, it was the once a month people that were flying in to sign on... the time the volcano erupted in Iceland and all the flights were cancelled across Europe, 3500 failed to show up to sign-on in Ireland.

No focking way!! 3500? Are you serious? Any links?

darkpagandeath · 14-01-2014 02:23PM

BillyMitchel wrote: »

No focking way!! 3500? Are you serious? Any links?

Ofc not are you mad

darkpagandeath · 14-01-2014 02:28PM

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Yeah. Sure loads were caught. At the time it would have been around €212 (cant remember if it was ever more) too. 20 quid flight. 200 bills in a country were its probably a months wage. Remember at one stage it was also paid into banks so they would only have to come back once a month to sign on.

And it's going back that way soon as it saves huge amount of money electronically transferring money to a bank account. Other jurisdictions never had any issue with people getting paid into the back. Maybe peoples anger should be turned towards the idiots in charge in the SW offices not doing their job properly. And allowing payments to go were there not needed without checking simple stuff.

And there is a distinct lack of facts here just the usual made up nonsense that normally get spouted about people on the dole.

suicide_circus · 14-01-2014 02:28PM

You see, this is why we can't have nice things. Juvenile fear of being a "rat" means that millions are stolen directly from the mouths of those who really need help. Coupled with the "ah sure its grand" attitude allowing gross inefficiency and mismanagement by our betters results in the Ireland you see before you. We are the architects of our own misfortune.

old hippy · 14-01-2014 02:42PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

You see, this is why we can't have nice things. Juvenile fear of being a "rat" means that millions are stolen directly from the mouths of those who really need help. Coupled with the "ah sure its grand" attitude allowing gross inefficiency and mismanagement by our betters results in the Ireland you see before you. We are the architects of our own misfortune.

Hyperbole. The true architects of our misfortune are the banks and successive corrupt governments. But it's easier to blame our woes on the poor.

Tiddlypeeps · 14-01-2014 02:42PM

BillyMitchel wrote: »

No focking way!! 3500? Are you serious? Any links?

A quick Google search turned up this http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ash-cloud-crisis-exposes-welfare-tourists-26664210.html

suicide_circus · 14-01-2014 02:45PM

old hippy wrote: »

Hyperbole. The true architects of our misfortune are the banks and successive corrupt governments. But it's easier to blame our woes on the poor.

Ah yes, "de bankers made me do it", "I cant be arsed voting but its all de gubberments fault" populist cop out bullscheisse.

old hippy · 14-01-2014 02:50PM

Ah yes, blame the poor, tar them all with the same brush, make fun of the accents and accuse them of not being clever enough to vote.

This, folks, is why we can't have nice things.

suicide_circus · 14-01-2014 02:58PM

Ummm im not blaming "the poor", im blaming those with no sense on civic responsibility. Im blaming those who look the other way when money that is collected from the working people of ireland to provide social protection for those in need is stolen by those with an inflated sense of entitlement and mé feinism. Sometimes youre so busy being an "old hippy" at every turn, you forget to make sense

old hippy · 14-01-2014 03:04PM

This thread is behaving weirdly on my pc but I'll try and reply - there are a number of people out there who have indeed made a career out of cheating the dole, sure. I don't condone their actions. I'm more likely to look the other way at those families struggling to survive and doing a few cash in hand gigs to supplement their dole income.

Fr. Ned · 14-01-2014 03:07PM

Gatling wrote: »

Reports are up from didn't see where it was said 80% were proven to be lies

Read the report and you'll see that only 16% resulted in benefit being cut.

Most of these overpayments are because of our inefficient PS workers not doing their job correctly.

Funny how burton came up with the exact same figure in 2013 as she did in 2012 regarding savings due to 'fraud' as she called it.
Fraud being committed by PS staff not doing the job their paid to do.

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Specialun · 14-01-2014 03:13PM

old hippy wrote: »

Hyperbole. The true architects of our misfortune are the banks and successive corrupt governments. But it's easier to blame our woes on the poor.

Nobody is blaming the Poor.If you really think that its only the bankers or governments fault that we are in this mess then you must live in cloud cuckoo landDo you feel that it's ok that people rip off the system so because the big bad bankers are bold

Xios · 14-01-2014 03:22PM

When wealthy of this nation step up to reveal and pay for the crookery, nepotism, bridery, back door deals and all the rest. Then, and only then, will I turn to my lower/middle class neighbour and report their crimes. But by then, i won't need too, because they won't need to cheat the system.

BillyMitchel · 14-01-2014 03:25PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

And it's going back that way soon as it saves huge amount of money electronically transferring money to a bank account. Other jurisdictions never had any issue with people getting paid into the back. Maybe peoples anger should be turned towards the idiots in charge in the SW offices not doing their job properly. And allowing payments to go were there not needed without checking simple stuff.

And there is a distinct lack of facts here just the usual made up nonsense that normally get spouted about people on the dole.

Facts are there it did happen and it is taking the piss in fairness. Everyone involved is at fault if someone can fly back to Ireland once a month while continuing to collect dole.

That's not getting one over on the man that's taking the piss out of every tax paying person in the country.

Renegade Mechanic · 14-01-2014 11:16PM

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Yeah. Sure loads were caught. At the time it would have been around €212 (cant remember if it was ever more) too. 20 quid flight. 200 bills in a country were its probably a months wage. Remember at one stage it was also paid into banks so they would only have to come back once a month to sign on.

Really simple solution to all this "flying in" malarkey would have been to show your passport at the post office when collecting. Cant travel without it being stamped.....

urabell · 14-01-2014 11:18PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Really simple solution to all this "flying in" malarkey would have been to show your passport at the post office when collecting. Cant travel without it being stamped.....

I travel all the time, rarely stamped

Silverbling · 14-01-2014 11:34PM

In my case its all a load of bollix.

I am 48 tomorrow, have always paid 40+ % tax

I lost my highly paid (and cushy job) aged 46 due to the owner passing away.

I used my savings to start a business and to support myself as a single parent with 2 kids and paying rent of €1600 a month plus bills.

When I ran out of money and asked for help I expected a bit of pay back for my 30 years high contribution to the economy.

I get €88 a week because I get €450 a month maintenance and no help at all with my start up business.

My 14 year old son has been very sick, I was turned down for a medical card as my income is too LOW, I had to borrow to pay privately for a lung biopsy. We got a diagnosis and my son is now pink not grey and it can be sorted if never cured.

Our GP applied for a medical card as his drugs are €65 a month, we were turned down because they need a court agreement from his dad, we have been separated 12 years,.......if I could afford the courts I could afford the fecking meds!

So I have to disagree, if they will not respect a GP, help you after paying stupid amounts of tax for years then yes, go ahead and get what you can, claim for the lot, but do it young

The whole system is f^^ked up and needs not just reviews but a major overhaul.

Red Kev · 14-01-2014 11:48PM

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

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It only needs to be done monthly and sometimes less. I think in theory the idea is that you get someone you know here to collect the dole weekly for you at the post office and then only fly over to sign on or for any appointments where you are called into the office. Some areas only require that you sign on every 3 months because they have to deal with too many people. I have no idea how prevalent this is or was, but it is in theory possible to pull off at a profit.

If you live more than 10 miles from a signing on office you only have to sign on every 3 months, they send you out a slip once a month to sign.

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Really simple solution to all this "flying in" malarkey would have been to show your passport at the post office when collecting. Cant travel without it being stamped.....

Passports are not stamped when flying within the EU.

If you want to stop a lot of the flying in and out brigade then make signing on weekly compulsory, have them sign on different days each week to make it more awkward, photo ID (some welfare cards already have this), and then your cheque is printed on the spot. Anybody still having dole payments paid into their bank accounts should have them stopped and get paid by the above method instead.

donegal__road · 15-01-2014 12:01AM

BillyMitchel wrote: »

No focking way!! 3500? Are you serious? Any links?

here you go Billy

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ash-cloud-crisis-exposes-welfare-tourists-26664210.html

Birdie Num Num · 15-01-2014 12:07AM

old hippy wrote: »

Ah yes, blame the poor, tar them all with the same brush, make fun of the accents and accuse them of not being clever enough to vote.

This, folks, is why we can't have nice things.

and who exactly is tarring all with the same brush? Are you implying that only the poor, people with certain accents and those not clever enough to vote are the only ones who are dole cheats?

Henlars67 · 15-01-2014 12:21AM

green_screen wrote: »

If they're doing it for the sake of feeding and clothing themselves, no. If it's just to have extra disposable income, yes.

Yes, I've always said that it is important to try to distinguish between those who are screwing the system, and those who are doing what they have to in order to survive.

If you knew your neighbour was a dole cheat would you report him/her

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