There is no moral difference between a Stealth bomber and a suicide bomber

Captain Chaos · 03-01-2014 05:06PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Anyway is there a moral difference between a stealth bomber and a suicide bomber ect and if so why?
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Yes there is, you even said it yourself in your third post. A stealth bomber targets the "bad guys" while a suicide bomber kills who ever they want and 99% of the time civilians are the intended targets.

Stealth bombers are only used to knock out or bypass enemy air defence radars so they can hit high value highly protected targets. Once all defences are gone standard bombers take over that can carry more weapons than stealths can and are cheaper to use.

The Diabolical Monocle · 03-01-2014 05:06PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The people who were raping China such as those in charge of unit 731 or emperor Hirohito got away scot free. In fact the scientists involved in dissecting people alive in unit 731 worked in Japan's health sector after the war!

While the civilian sat at home and reaped the benefits.

You cant punch someone in the face and say 'but my arm did it'.

steddyeddy · 03-01-2014 05:07PM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Yes there is, you even said it yourself in your third post. A stealth bomber targets the "bad guys" while a suicide bomber kills who ever they want and 99% of the time civilians are the intended targets.

Stealth bombers are only used to knock out or bypass enemy air defence radars so they can hit high value highly protected targets. Once all defences are gone standard bombers take over that can carry more weapons than stealths can and are cheaper to use.

How do you think a bomb works? They're not precision instruments.

P_1 · 03-01-2014 05:08PM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Yes there is, you even said it yourself in your third post. A stealth bomber targets the "bad guys" while a suicide bomber kills who ever they want and 99% of the time civilians are the intended targets.

Stealth bombers are only used to knock out or bypass enemy air defence radars so they can hit high value highly protected targets. Once all defences are gone standard bombers take over that can carry more weapons than stealths can and are cheaper to use.

Actually weren't stealth bombers originally conceived as a way of dropping nukes without being detected like a missile would?

steddyeddy · 03-01-2014 05:08PM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

While the civilian sat at home and reaped the benefits.

You cant punch someone in the face and say 'but my arm did it'.

Then by extension the civilians who supported an apartheid government in South Africa where viable targets?

Nino Brown · 03-01-2014 05:09PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

And whose to say who's right and who's wrong?

My point exactly, that's why we have wars, and why we always will. Right and wrong is decided by which side you're on

Setun · 03-01-2014 05:10PM

3rdDegree wrote: »

The Japanese just wouldn't stop fighting otherwise. They were like Russell Crowe on speed!

Actually Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not necessarily the reasons the Japanese surrendered - Russia also declared war on them as Japan moved further into Asia. See here => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_War_(1945)

DoesNotCompute · 03-01-2014 05:11PM

banquo wrote: »

Because otherwise the war there would have gone on for longer, and a greater number of people than were killed from the bombs would have died.

But why nuke civilians? Why not nuke a military target?

steddyeddy · 03-01-2014 05:13PM

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

But why nuke civilians? Why not nuke a military target?

It would be extremely unlikely that a nuke would take out only military targets unless those targets were in Siberia or some equally remote places.

Captain Chaos · 03-01-2014 05:13PM

P_1 wrote: »

Actually weren't stealth bombers originally conceived as a way of dropping nukes without being detected like a missile would?

Nope. That concept came later once they figured out how to make a larger aircraft like a long range heavy bomber stealthy. The first stealths were small short range tactical bombers as proof of concept. It was only in the mid-late 80's they managed to make/develop stealth aircraft that had the performance to actually engage in air to air combat with another aircraft.

Holsten · 03-01-2014 05:14PM

Good quote and quite true.

War is war no matter how it's fought.

steddyeddy · 03-01-2014 05:16PM

Callum Gorgeous Farmhouse wrote: »

Whether its a jet bomber or a grunt with his boots on the ground we all try to be stealthy.. My uniform is camo, my boots are soft & quiet, I've no metal buckets on any of my equipment even my weapon has a flash hider.. And all soldiers go to war for political reasons I guess.

Would it be true to say that soldiers don't always see things are necessarily good guys Vs bad guys?

The Diabolical Monocle · 03-01-2014 05:17PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Then by extension the civilians who supported an apartheid government in South Africa where viable targets?

Maybe its okay to sit back and have atrocities done in your name.

Japanese culture at the time was, once again, that of being the chosen ones, the superior humans, and every war factory worker and administrator and supplier loyally paid out their share to their glorious empire expecting they'd get what was coming to them as part of the glorious empire.

Ben Shekelberg · 03-01-2014 05:17PM

Stealth bombers go in take out legit military targets. Suicide bombers blow themselves up in markets and train stations in an attempt to kill as many civilians as possible. So yes, there is a difference.

steddyeddy · 03-01-2014 05:18PM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Maybe its okay to sit back and have atrocities done in your name.

Japanese culture at the time was, once again, that of being the chosen ones, the superior humans, and every war factory worker and administrator and supplier loyally paid out their share to their empire expecting they'd get what was coming to them as part of the glorious empire.

Unfortunately that belief is not extinct

Holsten · 03-01-2014 05:19PM

Ben Shekelberg wrote: »

Stealth bombers go in take out legit military targets.

No, what they believe to be legit military targets.

westcoast66 · 03-01-2014 05:20PM

dotsman wrote: »

Do you have any idea of how many lives those actions saved. Not just american lives, but Japanese?

Don't get me wrong - sucks to be on the receiving end of a nuke. But it was the second World War where, 70 years later, people are still trying to count the dead. After a decade of horrific war where the Japanese where the aggressors, where the majority of casualties were civilians and where the brutality of the regime was well known, killing a few (with respect to the estimated 60 million dead so far) to end the war was a far better option, both at the time and still today, than let it continue for another couple of months, possibly requiring a land invasion of Japan (which would have made every previous battle of the war look like a picnic)

None. Unless you have figured out the secret of eternal life?

Ben Shekelberg · 03-01-2014 05:20PM

Holsten wrote: »

No, what they believe to be legit military targets.

Like airfields, ammunition depots, communication centres.

Nino Brown · 03-01-2014 05:22PM

Ben Shekelberg wrote: »

Like airfields, ammunition depots, communication centres.

That's what you consider to be a legitimate target. Terrorists consider us to be legitimate targets, it depends how you look at it.

The Diabolical Monocle · 03-01-2014 05:23PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Unfortunately that belief is not extinct

Shure they should know by now t'is the Irish.

P_1 · 03-01-2014 05:26PM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Nope. That concept came later once they figured out how to make a larger aircraft like a long range heavy bomber stealthy. The first stealths were small short range tactical bombers as proof of concept. It was only in the mid-late 80's they managed to make/develop stealth aircraft that had the performance to actually engage in air to air combat with another aircraft.

Ah right, I guess you're talking about the F117 and the B2 right?

Ben Shekelberg · 03-01-2014 05:27PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Unfortunately that belief is not extinct

Have they ever paid any compensation like the Germans? They're still reviled in many parts of Asia, and frankly that's not surprising. As for the atomic bombs, I don't believe for one second the Japenese weren't going to fight to the last man. The committed atrocities on par with the Nazis, and while I don't take any pleasure in the thought of civilians being incinerated, I can't say I feel much sympathy.

Nino Brown · 03-01-2014 05:30PM

Ben Shekelberg wrote: »

Have they ever paid any compensation like the Germans? They're still reviled in many parts of Asia, and frankly that's not surprising. As for the atomic bombs, I don't believe for one second the Japenese weren't going to fight to the last man. The committed atrocities on par with the Nazis, and while I don't take any pleasure in the thought of civilians being incinerated, I can't say I feel much sympathy.

I bet they have stories of western atrocities too, but history is written by the victors.

http://listverse.com/2012/12/14/top-10-allied-war-crimes-of-world-war-ii/

Daqster · 03-01-2014 05:31PM

Of course there can be a moral difference between the two.

Stealth bombers don't have the temptation of 72 virgins for a start.

Heck, I nearly joined the Taliban myself for that perk alone.

Nino Brown · 03-01-2014 05:33PM

Daqster wrote: »

Of course there can be a moral difference between the two.

Stealth bombers don't have the temptation of 72 virgins for a start.

Heck, I nearly joined the Taliban myself for that perk alone.

That's for eternity tho, so you bang all 72, then you just have 72 nagging chicks for eternity. I bet they spend eternity trying to blow themselves up again.

MadsL · 03-01-2014 05:34PM

P.Walnuts wrote: »

I remember watching a documentary where a British soldier was calling the Taliban cowards for planting roadside bombs, wanting then to come out and fight like men etc...

He then climbed into an Apache to hover silently 100 feet in the air and pick off unsuspecting targets.

Was the helicopter invisible?

The Diabolical Monocle · 03-01-2014 05:34PM

Nobody said they were female.

steddyeddy · 03-01-2014 05:35PM

MadsL wrote: »

Was the helicopter invisible?

I would give me great pleasure being able to see a herlicoptor that was dropping bombs on me!

Ben Shekelberg · 03-01-2014 05:36PM

Nino Brown wrote: »

I bet they have stories of western atrocities too, but history is written by the victors.

http://listverse.com/2012/12/14/top-10-allied-war-crimes-of-world-war-ii/

Are you saying the Allies were no better than the Axis?

end of the road · 03-01-2014 05:40PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The people of Nagasaki and Hiroshima started it? It's an atomic bomb. It does not target "bad guys".

and which the effects of are still around today apparently, but shur tis grand as it was murica who dropped it, if it was dropped on murica they would still be talking about it today

There is no moral difference between a Stealth bomber and a suicide bomber

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