Bangernomics car of the week/day part III

davycc · 30-12-2013 09:17PM

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/price-drop-bzr-20v-black-top/6113795

Nice levin nct 10/14 /few TRD goodies too

$1200 might buy id say..nice fun car for somebody

joujoujou · 30-12-2013 09:29PM

davycc wrote: »

[...] nice fun car for somebody

Nice indeed. Sadly it's white.

davycc · 30-12-2013 09:55PM

joujoujou wrote: »

Nice indeed. Sadly it's white.

suits it well for me nice racing colours:D

black wheels work nicely too imo

Jesus. · 30-12-2013 11:24PM

Would those Levin's feel a bit lame by today's standards or would they still feel pokey?

brembo26 · 30-12-2013 11:27PM

I drove one for a few months which was totally standard and it was plenty pokey. Id say a lot are the same providing the hole hasn't been driven out of it.

davycc · 30-12-2013 11:30PM

Ded_Zebra wrote: »

So you actually thing the GTI is going to be faster to 100km/h and 1/4 mile than a 20v levin. Not sure if you are trolling or have no comprehension of what an extra 40bhp per ton is going to be like in terms of a race. The golf has 113 bhp per 1000kg and the levin has 160bhp per 1000kg. Get over yourself :rolleyes:

That puny figure of 113bhp is from the only the little 8 valves stats ,ya may want to review your train of thought on your next reply if your basing your entire debate on the wrong engine entirely . :eek:

I am well aware what an extra 40bhp/ton feels like thanks:D

Im not into trolling at all just stating my own findings from my own real world on the road 1st hand experience..That 160bhp often quoted for 20v 4ages is on jap fuel etc and for whatever reason they seem loose a lot of power here and 125-140bhp on irish fuel is more likely to be witnessed at any of the rolling roads around the country..

Hondas Vtec & Mitsubishis Mivec models seem lees affected by the Irish juice and make the power on the Rolling Roads that they should..

Now for the best part..VW 1.8 KR 16v engines have 140bhp stock and many will actually gain a little MORE power as the miles rack up and only really loosen up after 100k miles too:cool:

not quiet the +40bhp/ton real world advantage you were confused enough to be claiming initially.
now sorry Im not trying to wind yourself or any other Toyota peeps up..ive a lot of respect for Toyotas myself. (AE86 my fav Toyota btw:cool:)

Here are 2 links to the full impartial Autotest reviews of the then brand new 1986 Golf GTI16v and the 1984 Corolla GT Coupe:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/3058015767/in/set-72157610074563428/

http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/49359

the measly underpowered old slow Panzer-Tank golf is still quicker than than the much loved AE86s in every stat:D

davycc · 31-12-2013 12:00AM

Jesus. wrote: »

Would those Levin's feel a bit lame by today's standards or would they still feel pokey?

plenty quick enough for a cheap to run daily driver IMO.
Make an addictive roar when the 4 throttle bodies bodies open up full chat too:D

bladespin · 31-12-2013 01:08AM

davycc wrote: »

plenty quick enough for a cheap to run daily driver IMO.

With all those mods the insurance would rule that out for me anyway.

Ded_Zebra · 31-12-2013 02:31AM

davycc wrote: »

That puny figure of 113bhp is from the only the little 8 valves stats ,ya may want to review your train of thought on your next reply if your basing your entire debate on the wrong engine entirely . :eek:

I am well aware what an extra 40bhp/ton feels like thanks:D

Im not into trolling at all just stating my own findings from my own real world on the road 1st hand experience..That 160bhp often quoted for 20v 4ages is on jap fuel etc and for whatever reason they seem loose a lot of power here and 125-140bhp on irish fuel is more likely to be witnessed at any of the rolling roads around the country..

Hondas Vtec & Mitsubishis Mivec models seem lees affected by the Irish juice and make the power on the Rolling Roads that they should..

Now for the best part..VW 1.8 KR 16v engines have 140bhp stock and many will actually gain a little MORE power as the miles rack up and only really loosen up after 100k miles too:cool:

not quiet the +40bhp/ton real world advantage you were confused enough to be claiming initially.
now sorry Im not trying to wind yourself or any other Toyota peeps up..ive a lot of respect for Toyotas myself. (AE86 my fav Toyota btw:cool:)

Here are 2 links to the full impartial Autotest reviews of the then brand new 1986 Golf GTI16v and the 1984 Corolla GT Coupe:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/3058015767/in/set-72157610074563428/

http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/49359

the measly underpowered old slow Panzer-Tank golf is still quicker than than the much loved AE86s in every stat:D

This will be my last post on the matter as it has got wildly off topic. That link that you posted says that the 0-60mph time for the golf is 8 seconds (really good info on those pages btw, where did you get them and do they have the same thing for lots of cars). That 8 seconds I'm sure is the time for a perfect launch and 1 person in the car. In this video the launch is terrible, the gear changes are quite slow and there are 2 people in the car. It's hard to tell but I make the 0-100kmh time to be about 7-7.5 seconds. If it got a good launch and 1 person it would be faster again. Now until you can show me conclusive proof that the GTI is faster I'm going to go on thinking that the Levin is

tuxy · 31-12-2013 02:32AM

Is the super strut suspension still the main thing to look out for when buying an ae111? I know it used to be very expensive to replace.

davycc · 31-12-2013 05:16AM

Ded_Zebra wrote: »

This will be my last post on the matter as it has got wildly off topic. That link that you posted says that the 0-60mph time for the golf is 8 seconds (really good info on those pages btw, where did you get them and do they have the same thing for lots of cars). That 8 seconds I'm sure is the time for a perfect launch and 1 person in the car. In this video the launch is terrible, the gear changes are quite slow and there are 2 people in the car. It's hard to tell but I make the 0-100kmh time to be about 7-7.5 seconds. If it got a good launch and 1 person it would be faster again. Now until you can show me conclusive proof that the GTI is faster I'm going to go on thinking that the Levin is

Yea I wish I had a proper online source for scans of old car reviews like the 2 Autocars I linked ,such thorough testing back in the days.I only found the 2 links from some random flukey googling;)

About the Golf 16vs time of 8.0 was when brand new with delivery mileage..they honestly open up and get a fair bit quicker with age and higher mileage,i thought most petrolheads would have known this .I dont think mid to low 7sec would be unheard of now either:cool:

Please watch the 1st minute or so of this vid for an eyeopener even if its Quentin fecking-smug-git Wilson

My old golf was in Wicklow town last I heard keep an eye out for her for me please:) I would love her back on my driveway..

Im sorry to yourself and everybody else reading for taking it off topic too but felt I had little choice at the time:p

bear1 · 31-12-2013 10:29AM

Is this thread now about 0-100 times?

DeFinch89 · 31-12-2013 10:35AM

tuxy wrote: »

Is the super strut suspension still the main thing to look out for when buying an ae111? I know it used to be very expensive to replace.

It still would be, i have superstrut in my celica and from what iv read i could easily downgrade to the simpler standard macpherson and wishbone setup if i needed to, i imagine the same can be done for corolla's/levin's.

to be honest dont let the fact it has superstrut put you off, when you go to see the car check all individual joints on all four corners for signs of any play and loosness even go so far as to jack up each corner and check again.

Sobanek · 31-12-2013 10:35AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5fGMWLrzek

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201309098694803/sort/default/usedcars/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/make/bmw/engine-size-cars/3l_to_3-9l/page/1/postcode/tf28ba/model/m5?logcode=p

I know it's far from Bangernomics territory, but it's for sale for quite a long time now and if it was still available in February, I'd be tempted to offer them 3,750

DeFinch89 · 31-12-2013 10:40AM

bear1 wrote: »

Is this thread now about 0-100 times?

Its all good bangernomics sense

we all know quick 0-100kph times sells cars

nd · 31-12-2013 10:54AM

05 Peugeot 407, nct to aug. 15, 1650 euro

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/peugeot-407-2-years-nct/6190591

nd · 31-12-2013 10:56AM

volvo s40 petrol, nct to dec. 14, 1150 euro

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volvo-s40/5925398

nd · 31-12-2013 10:59AM

Fiat Seicento,nct to mar, tax to april, 650 euro

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/fiat-seicento-1-1-tax-nct-4-14/6193422

bladespin · 31-12-2013 11:51AM

DeFinch89 wrote: »

Its all good bangernomics sense

we all know quick 0-100kph times sells cars

I doubt you'll ever see a good 0-100kph time here tbh.

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 31-12-2013 11:52AM

bladespin wrote: »

I doubt you'll ever see a good 0-100kph time here tbh.

There have been plenty of fast cars here, I remember an e39 540i and a jag XK anyway.

bladespin · 31-12-2013 11:57AM

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

There have been plenty of fast cars here, I remember an e39 540i and a jag XK anyway.

Fast as compared to what??? A 5 sec 0-60 time is good but not fast. A 540i wouldn't be fast IMO, nice though, don't remember the XK, it wold be closer to what I'd consider fast(ish) though you can get an awful lot faster for a bangernomic budget than that; if fast is the main priority.

Off topic though.

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 31-12-2013 12:01PM

bladespin wrote: »

Fast as compared to what??? A 5 sec 0-60 time is good but not fast. A 540i wouldn't be fast IMO, nice though, don't remember the XK, it wold be closer to what I'd consider fast(ish) though you can get an awful lot faster for a bangernomic budget than that; if fast is the main priority.

Off topic though.

e39 540i is 5.5 seconds 0-60, I'd consider that pretty fast tbh. Anything sub 6.0 is what I would class as "fast".

You could get a faster one sure, but probably would be japanese with a stressed tiny engine.

OFF TOPIC = BANNED

bear1 · 31-12-2013 12:03PM

bladespin wrote: »

Fast as compared to what??? A 5 sec 0-60 time is good but not fast. A 540i wouldn't be fast IMO, nice though, don't remember the XK, it wold be closer to what I'd consider fast(ish) though you can get an awful lot faster for a bangernomic budget than that; if fast is the main priority.

Off topic though.

I'm generally curious, but if 5sec to 60mph is good then what do you consider fast?

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 31-12-2013 12:25PM

bear1 wrote: »

I'm generally curious, but if 5sec to 60mph is good then what do you consider fast?

A veyron perhaps? :P

Jesus. · 31-12-2013 12:33PM

Ded_Zebra wrote: »

In this video the launch is terrible, the gear changes are quite slow and there are 2 people in the car. It's hard to tell but I make the 0-100kmh time to be about 7-7.5 seconds.

Its quicker than that. The 0-60 time according to that video is closer to 6 seconds!

Which makes me doubt its veracity I'm afraid Zebra lad

bear1 · 31-12-2013 12:33PM

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

A veyron perhaps? :P

Sure my diesel volvo is better than that!
Can a Veyron do 700km to a tank?!?
Honestly though, and I don't mean any disrespect to the poster but 5 sec to 100 is fairly feckin quick IMO of course

Old diesel · 31-12-2013 12:35PM

Errm - I should think if your in a good condition car that does less then 8,5 seconds 0 to 60 at this end of the market - your probably in a a VERY nice car for the money (imo)