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Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Hagar the Nice.


    Malcolm Murray in the Scotsman

    RANGERS will need a £10 million cash injection to stay afloat in the next 18 months, according to former chairman Malcolm Murray.

    The club’s complex ownership structure, as well as the discontent from supporters at the continued presence of finance director Brian Stockbridge on the board, also has Murray concerned about the ability to attract such investment.

    The businessman was one of the four “requisitioners” who failed to be voted on to the Ibrox board at Thursday’s annual general meeting, but Murray believes the outcome of that event, which witnessed loud booing of any contribution from Stockbridge, will not be “the line in the sand” hoped for by new club chief executive Graham Wallace, who has also admitted Rangers need “external funds” in the medium term.

    Murray said: “Unless they can pull a few rabbits out of hats I don’t see who will invest in the club if the board remains exactly the way it is presently.”

    Murray said. “In the next three months there have to be changes. I’m pretty sure they won’t be able to go back to the same institutional investors for more money with the current board set-up. The bulk of them certainly wouldn’t do it. The danger now is that the institutional investors pile out of this, because they are fed up. I’m not saying it will happen, but there is a danger that I’m worried about.

    “If that happens, the share price goes down and the cost of raising capital goes up, by definition. This thing needs an injection of roughly £10m over the next 18 months.”

    Murray claimed that 40 million 25p shares would be required to raise that sum.

    However, issuing such a large number of shares would dilute the existing shareholding of current investors and Murray insisted that would be “terrible” for the financial institutions who have already put money into the club.

    He added: “They could equally end up sitting on stock that isn’t highly valued but remains a global brand.

    “However, it is a mix-up because it has institutional investors, fans, private investors, and this mysterious block of 40-odd per cent [of shares] that seems to control it [the club] in Laxley, Blue Pitch, Charles Green’s old shares and Mike Ashley.”

    South Africa-based businessman Dave King has claimed that he was the only person he felt would be willing to invest in Rangers at present but chief executive Wallace presented a different picture. He said: “We will need investment as we go forward. What I don’t want to say is we need a figure of X million pounds because, until we’ve examined the structure of the organisation, and what we need [over] the next 18 months, it’s premature to put a figure on it. As I went round talking to institutions in the last several weeks, they said they were willing to increase their investment provided the club can demonstrate stability and leadership and the semblance of a solid plan.”

    Wallace is not planning talks with King but neither does he rule him out. “I’ve never met Dave King or had any conversations with him,” he added. “When we have developed the plan to determine the level of funding we need, we’ll engage with a wide constituency. I wouldn’t rule anybody out. If that includes Mr King, we’ll deal with that at the time”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    That's pretty old news.

    Ironically, admin 2 could prove to be the only way to get rid of the current board.

    That, or someone steps up and buys them out which I doubt will happen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    If you could get rid of the current board, be that through them being bought out or otherwise, what's the long term aim?

    Assuming the debt was cleared, and costs brought under control, at what level can rangers hope to compete? Leaving champions lge revenue aside, the club don't generate the same level of revenue as celtic. Couple that with celtic's hold on the one CL spot, and the gap will only widen. Will Rangers fans accept living within their means under a prudent board playing second fiddle to Celtic, or are we likely to see further cries for a new board?

    I honestly believe many Rangers fans are happier now, easing to wins week in week out, then they would be slogging into second place behind Celtic


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Hagar the Nice.


    If RFC win their league,which is really a formality now,and enter SFL2,then it's possible they go into administration again.
    If so,I think I'm right in saying that they'd be deducted 25 points + another few years out of Europe on top of the ban already in place,might be wrong though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    If RFC win their league,which is really a formality now,and enter SFL2,then it's possible they go into administration again.
    If so,I think I'm right in saying that they'd be deducted 25 points + another few years out of Europe on top of the ban already in place,might be wrong though.

    Would it be 25pts though? Given its a different company, I'm don't know would it be 12 or 25?

    As for Europe, they're not banned, theyre ineligible afaik, on the basis of not having three years audited accounts. Same happened Derry City a few years back

    Edit: the above isn't a "new club" dig by any means, I genuinely don't know how another admin' would be punished given it would be a different company in admin


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    If you could get rid of the current board, be that through them being bought out or otherwise, what's the long term aim?

    Assuming the debt was cleared, and costs brought under control, at what level can rangers hope to compete? Leaving champions lge revenue aside, the club don't generate the same level of revenue as celtic. Couple that with celtic's hold on the one CL spot, and the gap will only widen. Will Rangers fans accept living within their means under a prudent board playing second fiddle to Celtic, or are we likely to see further cries for a new board?

    I honestly believe many Rangers fans are happier now, easing to wins week in week out, then they would be slogging into second place behind Celtic

    Living within our means is the long term aim.

    I'm fully confident that playing second fiddle to Celtic would only be a temporary thing when we make it back to the Premiership (if the posts in the Celtic thread are anything to go by, regarding investing in the squad ;) and capitalising on Rangers' absence).

    And what happens on the field is nice now, but I don't know a single Rangers fan who's not worried or angry at what happens in the board room.

    If debts are cleared it will take a few years probably to catch up to Celtic, but have no fear: It will happen at one point ;)
    If RFC win their league,which is really a formality now,and enter SFL2,then it's possible they go into administration again.
    If so,I think I'm right in saying that they'd be deducted 25 points + another few years out of Europe on top of the ban already in place,might be wrong though.

    Like Liamo said: We're not really banned, we're just not eligible due to the 3 year accounts thing.

    If we do go into admin again it'll probably happen this season (April is what most people guess).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Living within our means is the long term aim.

    I'm fully confident that playing second fiddle to Celtic would only be a temporary thing when we make it back to the Premiership (if the posts in the Celtic thread are anything to go by, regarding investing in the squad ;) and capitalising on Rangers' absence).

    And what happens on the field is nice now, but I don't know a single Rangers fan who's not worried or angry at what happens in the board room.

    If debts are cleared it will take a few years probably to catch up to Celtic, but have no fear: It will happen at one point ;)

    Do you think the fans will accept second fiddle for five or so years?

    What makes you think Rangers can compete long term on a lesser budget, something they've never before managed?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Hagar the Nice.


    I can see RFC needing to sell an number of high profile earners very soon,there's no way that they can keep Super Salary on £800,000 k a year either.
    They will have to cut their cloth accordingly and if they don't then I see more problems ahead and it will be a much harder league next season with Hearts in their league.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,134 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    I think football clubs need to get out of this mindset that it is OK to go into administration, burn their debts and than start afresh as if nothing has happened. There should be tougher rules to stop this kind of stuff


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    I think football clubs need to get out of this mindset that it is OK to go into administration, burn their debts and than start afresh as if nothing has happened. There should be tougher rules to stop this kind of stuff

    Going into administration has nothing to do with 'burning debts' in this case.

    There are (as far as I know) no debts at the moment.

    The main reason would be to get the board out, who are relying on their shares to stay in power. Administration would make those shares worthless.
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Do you think the fans will accept second fiddle for five or so years?

    What makes you think Rangers can compete long term on a lesser budget, something they've never before managed?

    Never before managed ?

    Rangers have not always been the richest club in Scotland, there were times when Celtic was that club.

    Accepting it ? Maybe not, but there won't be much of a choice. I think the majority would be fine with it if it meant the club could get healthy again and in the right hands.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 438 ✭✭Antifa161


    It's liquidation that 'burns debts', not admin. Clubs can come back out of admin when their finances are sorted out - when a club is liquidated it's the end of the road. That's why Rangers fans, ex players and so on were dead against it until it actually happened and they all changed their minds and decided it actually makes no difference and is merely a means of financial recovery rather than fatality.
    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Rangers have not always been the richest club in Scotland, there were times when Celtic was that club.
    But look what it did to you. You had less money than us but you spent more, and paid the ultimate price. I think what he's asking is would your fans be happy to accept that as a business/brand you are 2nd and it's ok for you to operate as such. That's not a dig btw - having less money doesn't mean you can't be a better squad and besides it's not as if you need that much to outspend us :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,134 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Administration is protection from creditors i.e. people you owe money to. You can offer those people a % of what is owed and if accepted, you come out of administration. Make no mistake though, it is burning debts. Why would a company who does not owe people money go into administration? New Rangers often declare they are debt free as if it is a badge of honour


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Never before managed ?

    Rangers have not always been the richest club in Scotland, there were times when Celtic was that club.

    Accepting it ? Maybe not, but there won't be much of a choice. I think the majority would be fine with it if it meant the club could get healthy again and in the right hands.

    In the last thirty years, any period of success that has been achieved has been in tandom with either external financing or accumulating debt. Given the level of success in that time period, its going to be a difficult concept for the fans to get used to, particularly one as agitable as rangers are


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Administration is protection from creditors i.e. people you owe money to. You can offer those people a % of what is owed and if accepted, you come out of administration. Make no mistake though, it is burning debts. Why would a company who does not owe people money go into administration? New Rangers often declare they are debt free as if it is a badge of honour

    I know what administration is, my point was that if it does happen then it won't be used as a tool to simply do away with debts, it will be used to force out the board (hopefully).


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Happy Christmas folks, have a good one and all the best for 2014.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Happy Christmas folks, have a good one and all the best for 2014.

    Thats if Newco survive 2014 :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Happy Christmas folks, have a good one and all the best for 2014.

    Same to you of course :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Hagar the Nice.


    If RFC go kaput for the first time ever in their short history,who would you all support?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 438 ✭✭Antifa161


    If RFC go kaput for the first time ever in their short history,who would you all support?
    Chelsea, but they'll tell everyone it's still Rangers ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Hagar the Nice.


    Antifa161 wrote: »
    Chelsea, but they'll tell everyone it's still Rangers ;)
    Am shoving that in my mate's cracker,he a bluenose,I'm sure he'll appreciate it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 438 ✭✭Antifa161


    Let it be known I'm not responsible for anything you shove up your mates cracker


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Hagar the Nice.


    Antifa161 wrote: »
    Let it be known I'm not responsible for anything you shove up your mates cracker
    He once shoved an ice lolly up his bahookie,he said it was fab.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Pretty soft penalty awarded by a certain Dallas Jnr.
    Jig scores

    1-0


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 438 ✭✭Antifa161


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Pretty soft penalty awarded by a certain Dallas Jnr.
    Jig scores

    1-0
    It's like printing money at the bookies :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Hagar the Nice.


    RFC set a new penalty record in div 3,they are 2 short of the record for div 2,not bad for a new club.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    I backed Stranraer double chance @ 13/2. Delighted


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    RFC set a new penalty record in div 3,they are 2 short of the record for div 2,not bad for a new club.

    I'm sure if you checked any league, the team who spend most time in the opposition box will, by and large , get the most pen's


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Hagar the Nice.


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    I'm sure if you checked any league, the team who spend most time in the opposition box will, by and large , get the most pen's
    Mid 80's we went 18 months without getting a penalty,very odd for an attacking team.


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