muslim staff can refuse to serve pork or alcohol

crazygeryy · 22-12-2013 02:29PM #1

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2527820/Marks-Spencer-tells-Muslim-staff-CAN-refuse-serve-customers-buying-alcohol-pork.html

I think this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.i think if you work in a grocery store or any store, your there to work not to practice or impose your religious beliefs on others especially customers.
Serve the customers or piss off and get a job somewhere else.

Potential-Monke · 22-12-2013 02:39PM

I would an me bollix wait for another till. I'd wait until that PC twit fecks off to do a job where they don't have to handle the products. Good thing there's no M&S near me, i'd deliberately go there to buy every pork or alcohol related product i wanted, and make the staff change tills.

Why bloody put them on the tills if they can't fulfill all their duties???????

This bloody world pishes me off greatly...

Edit: That article is after really getting under my skin. I'm actually physically angry about it! PC GONE MAD!!!!

Stojkovic · 22-12-2013 02:42PM

Trolley full of sausages and whiskey.

Hate that ****.

If you cant do the job, dont do it.

My name is URL · 22-12-2013 02:44PM

I wonder if they'd be happy to take a reduction in salary to mirror their distaste of selling alcohol and pork. How hypocritical are they like? They're happy enough to be employed by one of the biggest sellers of alcohol in Britain.. they should fcuking well leave their dumb beliefs at home.

jjpep · 22-12-2013 02:46PM

Pandering to religions is just stupid. How can we expect this to go away when we give any of them this kind of credence.

Teyla Emmagan · 22-12-2013 02:46PM

Disappointed in M&S for their stupidity. Where they lead others will follow.

This is more like it actually:

"Meanwhile, Asda bosses have chosen not to allow Muslims who object to handling alcohol to serve customers on checkouts."

scotchy · 22-12-2013 02:46PM

The Daily Mail and Express are great for stories like this.

The readers comments do be great too.....

Crazy idea if true

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qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 22-12-2013 02:47PM

Imagine the uproar if you went to tesco to buy condoms and all the catholic employees refused to sell them to you. But don't say anything about the Islamic faith unless you want to be labelled a racist

Potential-Monke · 22-12-2013 02:47PM

The top comment in that article, where the majority of people in Morocco are Muslim and they have no problems selling pork/alcohol products...

GalwayGuy2 · 22-12-2013 02:50PM

That's bizarre to be honest. I don't think many Muslims would actually care about serving alcohol.

WilyCoyote · 22-12-2013 02:54PM

Who dictates that Pork is unclean? The, er, Prophet, Bible etc. Jesus if Harry Potter suggested that wearing underpants is against some obscure Dumbledore's cleanliness code is there a possibility that this could become a mainstream tenet of the dominant Quidditch religion in 3514 ACE?
Anyone know where the sick bag is please?

mikemac1 · 22-12-2013 02:56PM

My local Tesco has signs above every till if alcohol can served

Though that's for young workers on summer jobs working the tills and they are underage.

Using the signs at least allows you to pick a till. If I had half my shopping scanned through and was was then refused by the worker I think I'd leave it all there and walk.

shruikan2553 · 22-12-2013 02:57PM

If you dont want to sell items that are being sold in a shop then dont work their. Unless you have a disability or some medical condition then you should be able to do the same work as everyone else. I must find a religion that gives me a 3 day weekend if they are giving into this sort of thing. I think the same of Christian doctors who wont give contraception.

WilyCoyote · 22-12-2013 02:58PM

Potential-Monke wrote: »

The top comment in that article, where the majority of people in Morocco are Muslim and they have no problems selling pork/alcohol products...

I vouch for this. Being going there on holidays for over 30 years. Next one in Jan 2015. Roll on the times.

Son Of A Vidic · 22-12-2013 03:00PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Imagine the uproar if you went to tesco to buy condoms and all the catholic employees refused to sell them to you.

For those of you who were born within the last 20-25 years and don't know. That happened here in backward little Ireland for long enough. I once went into a sports shop to buy a groin guard/groin protection for a martial arts tournament. The wagon behind the counter didn't know what I was talking about and assumed it was condoms. So she then went into a hysterical frenzy about the Pope, morals blah, blah, blah. It was a whole new level of crazy I had never seen before or since.

Temptamperu · 22-12-2013 03:00PM

outrage! its like them catholics not allowing you to drink on good friday.

Links234 · 22-12-2013 03:01PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Imagine the uproar if you went to tesco to buy condoms and all the catholic employees refused to sell them to you. But don't say anything about the Islamic faith unless you want to be labelled a racist

Except that this kinda thing does happen in Ireland, there was a story there recently where someone was refused the pill from her GP, and my girlfriend had been refused medical treatment on religious grounds before also, this is all perfectly legal in Ireland and yet there is no outrage? And being refused health services is quite a bit more serious than being inconvienced for a moment buying your sausages.

scotchy · 22-12-2013 03:05PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Imagine the uproar if you went to tesco to buy condoms and all the catholic employees refused to sell them to you. But don't say anything about the Islamic faith unless you want to be labelled a racist

So if you had beer and condoms you'd have to Q twice:)

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SpaceTime · 22-12-2013 03:05PM

Could you refuse to serve meat on a Friday if you were a particularly devout Christian?

Or, if you're an athiest refuse to sell anything with religious connotations?

How about vegetarians ? I'm pretty offended by killing animals for food but I don't force my employer to ensure there are no ham sandwiches in the canteen fridge.

Daqster · 22-12-2013 03:05PM

I really don't see anything wrong with this. Muslims have a right to have their religion respected in their workplace.

I myself work in Smyths for example and as a member of the Jedi Temple, I refuse to sell stormtroopers.

teddansonswig · 22-12-2013 03:05PM

what about the dunnes stores workers who refused to sell south african produce on principle? should they have fecked off and found another job?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 22-12-2013 03:09PM

Good Lord, it's the Daily Mail for ****'s sake.

Arrow. · 22-12-2013 03:12PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Good Lord, it's the Daily Mail for ****'s sake.

And? They're reporting a story.

Here's a link to the Telegraph if it makes you feel better.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/10532782/Muslim-staff-at-Marks-and-Spencer-can-refuse-to-sell-alcohol-and-pork.html

MagicMarker · 22-12-2013 03:13PM

teddansonswig wrote: »

what about the dunnes stores workers who refused to sell south african produce on principle? should they have fecked off and found another job?

Are Heineken involved in apartheid now?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 22-12-2013 03:14PM

so long as the state isn't forcing m&s to do this then who gives a ****. their business, their rules. if it bothers you shop somewhere else.

zenno · 22-12-2013 03:15PM

If I had to put up with this garbage in queuing twice over something like this, then that store would lose my custom. I would just shop elsewhere, simple as that. The world is gone mad.

If I had a lot of stuff like food and alcohol and pork, and this happened me at the till, I would just leave all the stuff there and walk out, let them deal with that.

The whole point of the store is to sell it's products, if it has a problem selling them, then they shouldn't be in business. It's their loss when folk refuse to shop there again.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 22-12-2013 03:16PM

Arrow. wrote: »

And? They're reporting a story.

Here's a link to the Telegraph if it makes you feel better.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/10532782/Muslim-staff-at-Marks-and-Spencer-can-refuse-to-sell-alcohol-and-pork.html

Slightly, but it's still a non-story.

Very simple solutiuon - put a cluase in the contract of all employees stating that they are comfortable handling all products. Tillers who have already signed contracts can stack shelves in areas where they are comfortable handling the produce. Eveybody wins.

From a customer point of view, I'll take the wine, come round and scan it myself. I do that where the facility is avaialable anyway.

22-12-2013 03:16PM

Daily Mail keeps on giving

My name is URL · 22-12-2013 03:17PM

Links234 wrote: »

Except that this kinda thing does happen in Ireland, there was a story there recently where someone was refused the pill from her GP, and my girlfriend had been refused medical treatment on religious grounds before also, this is all perfectly legal in Ireland and yet there is no outrage? And being refused health services is quite a bit more serious than being inconvienced for a moment buying your sausages.

There's plenty of outrage over that =/

There was a thread about it here just a few months ago iirc. It has nothing to do with this thread, though

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 22-12-2013 03:18PM

My name is URL wrote: »

There's plenty of outrage over that =/

There was a thread about it here just a few months ago iirc. It has nothing to do with this thread, though

to be related you'd need a story about a muslim who opened a newsagents and was then forced to stock wine and bacon in their store.

suicide_circus · 22-12-2013 03:19PM

What if I were uncomfortable serving people with their faces obscured by scaves? What's that? Fired you say?

muslim staff can refuse to serve pork or alcohol

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