Do you think Enda Kenny is doing a good job?

wretcheddomain · 12-12-2013 07:10PM #1

Note that the thread title doesn't say 'perfect job' because no such leader can do a perfect job no matter what set of cards they have to play with.

Personally, if you see past the selfish fog of negativity promulgated from the masses (who would complain about Kenny even if he were leading a boom), then you can clearly see that Kenny is doing a respectfully good job.

This doesn't mean I agree with every decision that has been made - as we can all list many things that were dealt with inappropriately or flat out wrong.

But, on balance, I think history will be kind to Mr. Kenny.

...and now every forthcoming post will descend us back into that thick fog of negativity.

whupdedo · 12-12-2013 07:12PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Note that the thread title doesn't say 'perfect job' because no such leader can do a perfect job no matter what set of cards they have to play with.

Personally, if you see past the selfish fog of negativity promulgated from the masses (who would complain about Kenny even if he were leading a boom), then you can clearly see that Kenny is doing a respectfully good job.

This doesn't mean I agree with every decision that has been made - as we can all list many things that were dealt with inappropriately or flat out wrong.

But, on balance, I think history will be kind to Mr. Kenny.

...and now every forthcoming post will descend us back into that thick fog of negativity.

Yes

Evelyn Cusack · 12-12-2013 07:13PM

Completely agree with you chief. So would the silent majority.

You don't see nearly as much negativity in the real world as you do from all the little internet weirdos

irishfeen · 12-12-2013 07:13PM

IMO History will look at the current administration/Taoiseach in a very very good light ... Might be the best Taoiseach since Lemass - (and that's coming from a person who has the love of Fianna Fail running through his veins

)

I think Fine Gael will run away with the next election, possibly going very close to a single party government.

wretcheddomain · 12-12-2013 07:14PM

Evelyn Cusack wrote: »

Completely agree with you chief. So would the silent majority.

You don't see nearly as much negativity in the real world as you do from all the little internet weirdos

Thanks Evelyn - we can always count on you to let us know what's beyond the fog.

By the way, are you launching another attack against pseudopostmen after the 9 o'clock news?

Evelyn Cusack · 12-12-2013 07:16PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Thanks Evelyn - we can always count on you to let us know what's beyond the fog.

By the way, are you launching another attack against pseudopostmen after the 9 o'clock news?

If I hear anymore from that twerp I'll wrap my legs around his head and suffocate him in my crotch

Zamboni · 12-12-2013 07:18PM

Christ no!
The govt have achieved almost nothing and perpetuated the ff fvck up.
Business as usual as far as I can see.

wretcheddomain · 12-12-2013 07:18PM

Zamboni wrote: »

Business as usual as far as I can see.

You haven't seen through the fog yet.

diomed · 12-12-2013 07:24PM

He is doing the job, which is light years ahead of the other crowd's performance.

irishfeen · 12-12-2013 07:26PM

Zamboni wrote: »

Christ no!
The govt have achieved almost nothing and perpetuated the ff fvck up.
Business as usual as far as I can see.

But how can you say that? ... unemployment is down, jobs are being created, we are ranked the best country to do business in the world, he officially apologized to the survivors of the Magdalene laundries, they pardoned the WW2 veterans, legislated for the X case, restored our international reputation, will take the country out of the bailout without the need for an overdraft ..... etc.

They have almost done more in their couple of years in power then FF did in 14, people are not stupid - it was never going to be all fun and games. Most people I do believe think the have done as well as they can. We were a complete basket case in the eyes of the world when they took power, now most are standing back applauding what has been achieved.

The Backwards Man · 12-12-2013 07:27PM

He's doing a hell of a lot better than any of the other gomies from the other parties would if they were in charge.

Yellow121 · 12-12-2013 07:30PM

The truth is he's done very little! The majority of decisions were made for this government by outsiders and from the little bit of juggling that FG could oversee, they decided to hit low and middle income citizens the hardest. It's far from a good job he's doing.

irishfeen · 12-12-2013 07:34PM

Yellow121 wrote: »

The truth is he's done very little! The majority of decisions were made for this government by outsiders and from the little bit of juggling that FG could oversee, they decided to hit low and middle income citizens the hardest. It's far from a good job he's doing.

So who would you replace Kenny with? ... Adams/Sinn Fein? ... see them run the country into the ground taxing the hole off anyone who tries creating jobs and earns a good wage?

diomed · 12-12-2013 07:35PM

I think some people expected him to press the reset button on the debt and the recession, and it would be all butterflies and lollipops again.

Yellow121 · 12-12-2013 07:37PM

irishfeen wrote: »

So who would you replace Kenny with? ... Adams/Sinn Fein? ... see them run the country into the ground taxing the hole off anyone who tries creating jobs and earns a good wage?

The question was not who you'd replace him with but what is your opinion of the job Enda Kenny is doing. Everyone else in the Dáil are irrelevent to this question.

irishfeen · 12-12-2013 07:38PM

diomed wrote: »

I think some people expected him to press the reset button on the debt and the recession, and it would be all butterflies and lollipops again.

Yeah the way people are talking you would think he was given an economy on a silver platter akin to Ahern in 1997.

irishfeen · 12-12-2013 07:42PM

Yellow121 wrote: »

The question was not who you'd replace him with but what is your opinion of the job Enda Kenny is doing. Everyone else in the Dáil are irrelevent to this question.

But if you think Kenny is doing a bad job then what/who could do better? .. what do you think he is doing wrong btw?

darkoo · 12-12-2013 07:42PM

Evelyn Cusack wrote: »

Completely agree with you chief. So would the silent majority.

You don't see nearly as much negativity in the real world as you do from all the little internet weirdos

Does this mean yourself.

Conmaicne Mara · 12-12-2013 07:43PM

Ask me next Tuesday or Wednesday.

Karl Stein · 12-12-2013 07:44PM

He's done a great job of following orders.

Btw, lest our Fine Gael-bots explode with misplaced smugness, we should remind them that their party was offering a turbo-charged version of the celtic pyramid FF were presiding over so things may well have been worse had they got their way.

wretcheddomain · 12-12-2013 07:47PM

Carlos Roca wrote: »

He's done a great job of following orders.

Btw, lest our Fine Gael-bots explode with misplaced smugness, we should remind them that their party was offering a turbo-charged version of the celtic pyramid FF were presiding over so things may well have been worse had they got their way.

The past affirmations are irrelevant to the question of this thread today.

If not following these 'orders' would have landed us in a worse position (i.e. The Sinn Feinian position) then Kenny made the right decision either way. In this sense, you are admitting 'Yes' to the poll.

efb · 12-12-2013 07:47PM

Yes. Happy enough 8/10

irishfeen · 12-12-2013 07:50PM

Carlos Roca wrote: »

Btw, lest our Fine Gael-bots explode with misplaced smugness, we should remind them that their party was offering a turbo-charged version of the celtic pyramid FF were presiding over so things may well have been worse had they got their way.

Your probably right but look they weren't in power so you cannot say it for certain - FF will always be tainted for giving away our economic sovereignty.

Karl Stein · 12-12-2013 07:54PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

The past affirmations are irrelevant to the question of this thread today.

Lol, what? Past affirmations have everything to do with the question of this thread.

If not following these 'orders' would have landed us in a worse position (i.e. The Sinn Feinian position) then Kenny made the right decision either way. In this sense, you are admitting 'Yes' to the poll.

You forgot to add the 'Atari-sock-puppet-would-do-just-as-good-a-job' option.

Look, I have nothing against what's-his-name personally - he's an unremarkable apparatchik.

road_high · 12-12-2013 07:57PM

diomed wrote: »

He is doing the job, which is light years ahead of the other crowd's performance.

Remember back to when idiot Cowen was Taoiseach. Drunk on radio and then he to bring the IMF in. Kenny is trustworthy and has forged a very good relationship with all other EU/World leaders. It's mainly die in the wool FF'ers and extreme lefties (who are never happy anyhow) that attack Kenny ad-nauseum.
The mood of the country has defo lifted the past few years under his helm and his government. Honestly think he is one of the best Taoisigh in a long long time.

road_high · 12-12-2013 07:58PM

irishfeen wrote: »

Your probably right but look they weren't in power so you cannot say it for certain - FF will always be tainted for giving away our economic sovereignty.

Here's hoping they are because it's what they deserve.

irishfeen · 12-12-2013 08:07PM

road_high wrote: »

Here's hoping they are because it's what they deserve.

Here here! ... but you know as well as I do that Fianna Fail are by far the most powerful political organisation on the ground across rural Ireland in particular... I hear even from the old folks and aunts/uncles that "it was the banks fault" ... :rolleyes: ... I argue but there is no changing a FF family

KyussBishop · 12-12-2013 08:10PM

irishfeen wrote: »

But how can you say that? ... unemployment is down, jobs are being created, we are ranked the best country to do business in the world, he officially apologized to the survivors of the Magdalene laundries, they pardoned the WW2 veterans, legislated for the X case, restored our international reputation, will take the country out of the bailout without the need for an overdraft ..... etc.

They have almost done more in their couple of years in power then FF did in 14, people are not stupid - it was never going to be all fun and games. Most people I do believe think the have done as well as they can. We were a complete basket case in the eyes of the world when they took power, now most are standing back applauding what has been achieved.

As far as I can see, apart from the usual cheering that recovery is perpetually 'just around the corner', we're just as screwed economically as we were before, and are only waiting for the next stage of the crisis (that of unsustainable private debt catching up with us).

Not saying it for the sake of being negative, it's just that we could be doing so much better than we are now, and being optimistic about our current lot prevents people from seeing this and pushing for it.
I'm very optimistic about how much better we could be doing, just not so optimistic we have the right politicians for doing it.

No matter what Enda does, he's always going to come out looking better compared to the last lot that were in government - but he's not doing a particularly good job.
If he pushed more for proper recovery policies in Europe, he'd be doing a better job, and if he took initiative here to promote a return to full employment using available policies (without any EU help - probably pissing off the Troika due to the policies needed, which would take courage), he certainly would be remembered as one of the greater leaders in the countries history - right now though, no sign of that.

Zamboni · 12-12-2013 08:11PM

We still owe a fortune. They bottled it when negotiating with the bloated public service.
Minuscule repossessions. Massive unemployment.
I'm not blaming FG. But they have done sweet FA.

And now they are selling state assets sooner than burning investors in banks or negotiating with unions.
Cowards.

They are all scum to be fair.

road_high · 12-12-2013 08:14PM

irishfeen wrote: »

Here here! ... but you know as well as I do that Fianna Fail are by far the most powerful political organisation on the ground across rural Ireland in particular... I hear even from the old folks and aunts/uncles that "it was the banks fault" ... :rolleyes: ... I argue but there is no changing a FF family

I don't think they are any more. Their local structure across Ireland is actually pretty weak. There were many ordianry decent FF people that were none too happy with the centralisation of power to the Bertie mafia.

In Dublin in particular FF are non-existant in parts. No.4 party there.

P.S. I really hope they don't re-build or anything, we don't need anymore Cowens (still one on the dail) or Coughlans

DeanAustin · 12-12-2013 08:17PM

Zamboni wrote: »

We still owe a fortune. They bottled it when negotiating with the bloated public service.
Minuscule repossessions. Massive unemployment.
I'm not blaming FG. But they have done sweet FA.

And now they are selling state assets sooner than burning investors in banks or negotiating with unions.
Cowards.

They are all scum to be fair.

Can understand people making an argument against Kenny but calling him scum is breathtakingly stupid and undermines anything you posted before that.

One word I would never associate with Kenny is scum.

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