Gameweek 15 - Matchday Thread

Lemlin · 08-12-2013 10:26PM

dahat wrote: »

60 with Chico to play, look like losing my FFS Cup game and those Cabaye points on my bench hurt alot.

Still gotta be happy with my weeks work.

Stranger things have happened than Chico scoring. I'm certainly not counting my chickens yet. I'm just wondering did you thinking I had signed Bannan influence your opinion on whether to play him or Cabaye?

As for my own ranking, 69 points for the week. Would have loved to hit 70 but can't be disappointed.

I'm up to 8k in the world. Haven't ever been this high so early before. Even the season I finished at 324 in the world I was outside of the top 100k coming into

I'm learning patience is the key this year. I almost got rid of Ozil a few weeks back. The same goes for Coleman and Lukaku at different stages.

That's why I'm in no rush to transfer out the likes of Mig who aren't excelling but aren't doing badly either.

Here's hoping I can keep pushing on.

dahat · 08-12-2013 10:30PM

Lemlin wrote: »

Stranger things have happened than Chico scoring. I'm certainly not counting my chickens yet. I'm just wondering did you thinking I had signed Bannan influence your opinion on whether to play him or Cabaye?

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The Bannan/Cabaye selection dilemma wasn't influenced by me thinking you had signed him. I just didn't fancy him at OT and Bannan at home was more appealing,it was a risky call that didn't work out but that's how it goes.

Lemlin · 08-12-2013 10:36PM

dahat wrote: »

The Bannan/Cabaye selection dilemma wasn't influenced by me thinking you had signed him. I just didn't fancy him at OT and Bannan at home was more appealing,it was a risky call that didn't work out but that's how it goes.

I've actually had a strange feeling since Friday that I should have started Brady. I can't explain it but I can see him getting something against Swansea.

NabyLadistheman · 08-12-2013 10:46PM

Not a bad day for the non-Rams!

FHFC · 08-12-2013 10:59PM

Lemlin wrote: »

I'm up to 8k in the world. Haven't ever been this high so early before. Even the season I finished at 324 in the world I was outside of the top 100k coming into

I'm learning patience is the key this year. I almost got rid of Ozil a few weeks back. The same goes for Coleman and Lukaku at different stages.

That's why I'm in no rush to transfer out the likes of Mig who aren't excelling but aren't doing badly either.

Hah. I did all of these things. And just gave Mig the bullet!

Where was this advice about 8 weeks ago!!!

Lemlin wrote: »

I've actually had a strange feeling since Friday that I should have started Brady. I can't explain it but I can see him getting something against Swansea.

But I really hope you are right about this one Sensei....

MR NINE · 08-12-2013 11:08PM

Lemlin wrote: »

Stranger things have happened than Chico scoring. I'm certainly not counting my chickens yet. I'm just wondering did you thinking I had signed Bannan influence your opinion on whether to play him or Cabaye?

As for my own ranking, 69 points for the week. Would have loved to hit 70 but can't be disappointed.

I'm up to 8k in the world. Haven't ever been this high so early before. Even the season I finished at 324 in the world I was outside of the top 100k coming into

I'm learning patience is the key this year. I almost got rid of Ozil a few weeks back. The same goes for Coleman and Lukaku at different stages.

That's why I'm in no rush to transfer out the likes of Mig who aren't excelling but aren't doing badly either.

Here's hoping I can keep pushing on.

I would say hes doing very badly. thankfully, a lot of people have him in their team after his excellent start and the trend of early wildcards making him the obvious gk choice around gw 2-4 for wildcards. since gw 3 hes picked up 33 points over 11 gameweeks, thats very bad form for a keeper who is priced so high. I've been wanting to get rid for a long time but never been willing to take a hit to do it. im finally ditching him and im delighted to have done so, far better options out there for gk, with mig being up there with the worst of them as far as form and fixtures are concerned, without even taking price into consideration

Lemlin · 08-12-2013 11:30PM

MR NINE wrote: »

I would say hes doing very badly. thankfully, a lot of people have him in their team after his excellent start and the trend of early wildcards making him the obvious gk choice around gw 2-4 for wildcards. since gw 3 hes picked up 33 points over 11 gameweeks, thats very bad form for a keeper who is priced so high. I've been wanting to get rid for a long time but never been willing to take a hit to do it. im finally ditching him and im delighted to have done so, far better options out there for gk, with mig being up there with the worst of them as far as form and fixtures are concerned, without even taking price into consideration

In terms of goalkeepers, he is placed sixth and only 15 points behind Howard who is top. He has fulfilled the role I wanted him to perfectly allowing me to play him each week and maximise the rest of my budget by having a 4 mil backup.

I'm more than happy to leave him there and prioritise other transfers.

extra gravy · 08-12-2013 11:43PM

In fairness to Mignolet, it's not his fault the defenders in front of him are making mistakes, he's done little wrong this season from what I can remember and should have had more clean sheets. I'll probably keep him until they go to the Etihad and maybe switch to Krul then.

PARlance · 09-12-2013 12:12AM

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Not a bad day for the non-Rams!

Comrade,

An exceptional weekend for the Anti Ramsey Brigade and it's close associate the NoNo Nevers

I've getting a bit of practice at this, by the end of Jan I'll be an expert

PARlance · 09-12-2013 12:15AM

Lemlin wrote: »

In terms of goalkeepers, he is placed sixth and only 15 points behind Howard who is top. He has fulfilled the role I wanted him to perfectly allowing me to play him each week and maximise the rest of my budget by having a 4 mil backup.

I'm more than happy to leave him there and prioritise other transfers.

He's staying with me too, no guarantee of clean sheets this year, the way it's going he could be top of the Keepers by the end Jan.

Lucas Hood · 09-12-2013 12:38AM

Up to 22,672 after 62 this week . Could have been higher had Moxey not have got injured.

wonski · 09-12-2013 12:38AM

Last 2 assists for Lukaku make me regret choosing Remy over him.
The worst part is that both assists were accidental - shot in Manchester that turned into an assist, and now this:mad:
It is officially awarded anyway.
52(-4) is really bad, but I did expect it to be low for me this week. Next week looks very promising, with good fixtures for both defenders and midfielders.
Suarez kept me just above the water for the second gameweek in the row.

As an Arsenal fan, I hope the City game will be quiet enough, but have a feeling Aguero can score 1 or 2...

wonski · 09-12-2013 12:43AM

PARlance wrote: »

Comrade,

An exceptional weekend for the Anti Ramsey Brigade and it's close associate the NoNo Nevers

He scored 21 in last 2 weeks, so having 1 quiet game (with a very strong team) means nothing really.
Arsenal's next fixtures are so tough, that I won't be surprised if he scored none.

P.Walnuts · 09-12-2013 01:02AM

58 with 3 on the bench and still managed to drop from 76k -> 81k

Santi101 · 09-12-2013 01:17AM

Steadily climing again after a few horrible wks around gw 7-9.....was just outside the top 20k after first 5 gw's before plummeting to 350k 4 weeks later due to a combination of a bad wildcard(where I idiotically got RVP in), subsequent reshaping and some stubborness on my part(slow to get Suarez in, and have still avoided Yaya and Ramsey).

3 green GW's in the last 4 and I'm around 177k now. 58 this week thanks to Suarez and Ozil.

Danger781 · 09-12-2013 01:46AM

55 points this week. Green arrows all around once more!

Annoyed at the Lukaku assist. I have both him and Oviedo so I get it either way, but it's the principle. I don't think he could have grazed the ball any less than he did. It should have gone to Oviedo.

wonski · 09-12-2013 02:15AM

Danger781 wrote: »

55 points this week. Green arrows all around once more!

Annoyed at the Lukaku assist. I have both him and Oviedo so I get it either way, but it's the principle. I don't think he could have grazed the ball any less than he did. It should have gone to Oviedo.

Wait until tomorrow, when all the subs are in. Lad at work has - I kid you not - Fer and Whittaker coming in for Oscar and Verthongen

He made 2 transfers this week, so not a zombie at all (well, he kind of is having the 2 in his team, but he is fairly active).
So, let's wait and see what the average is:rolleyes:

Lemlin · 09-12-2013 02:20AM

Danger781 wrote: »

55 points this week. Green arrows all around once more!

Annoyed at the Lukaku assist. I have both him and Oviedo so I get it either way, but it's the principle. I don't think he could have grazed the ball any less than he did. It should have gone to Oviedo.

I have to disagree. The path of the ball clearly changed after he went for the overhead kick so, even if just wind from his jump blew the ball, Lukaku deserved the assist due to altering the location of the ball.

Danger781 · 09-12-2013 02:25AM

Lemlin wrote: »

I have to disagree. The path of the ball clearly changed after he went for the overhead kick so, even if just wind from his jump blew the ball, Lukaku deserved the assist due to altering the location of the ball.

I didn't see the direction being altered. Maybe I'm just not astute when it comes to spotting such subtle touches..

To me, it looked Oviedo curled the ball across the box to Deulofeu. Lukaku attempted to bicycle kick the ball, missed it, and the ball continued on its trajectory to Deulofeu.

wonski · 09-12-2013 02:46AM

Lemlin wrote: »

I have to disagree. The path of the ball clearly changed after he went for the overhead kick so, even if just wind from his jump blew the ball, Lukaku deserved the assist due to altering the location of the ball.

Let me fix your post, if you don't mind:
Lukaku didn't deserve an assist, he just got one. The only reason he got an assist today, and Giroud didn't, was a lenght of a hair tbh.
2 very similiar situations, so there is something to compare.
Now, don't get me wrong - the rules are the rules - they watched it, and there was a slight touch to the ball that changed its course. But saying he deserved one is a bit of overstatement. He just missed the ball, so did Giroud.
I actually feel more confident having Remy now - last assist from Lukaku was when he missed a target (missed is an understatement), and another one was awarded for missing the ball...
Assist (imo) shouldn't be awarded for - as you called it - altering the location of the ball.

P.Walnuts · 09-12-2013 02:50AM

wonski wrote: »

Let me fix your post, if you don't mind:
Lukaku didn't deserve an assist, he just got one. The only reason he got an assist today, and Giroud didn't, was a lenght of a hair tbh.
2 very similiar situations, so there is something to compare.
Now, don't get me wrong - the rules are the rules - they watched it, and there was a slight touch to the ball that changed its course. But saying he deserved one is a bit of overstatement. He just missed the ball, so did Giroud.
I actually feel more confident having Remy now - last assist from Lukaku was when he missed a target (missed is an understatement), and another one was awarded for missing the ball...
Assist (imo) shouldn't be awarded for - as you called it - altering the location of the ball.

My reading of it - If Lukaku wasn't there and didn't touch the ball (however slight) would Delofeau have received the ball? He wouldn't have as the ball would of been headed clear.

Also for the bolded part, two messy assists against Man U and Arsenal away is a great return tbh. Looking at comparable strikers I can't see any reason to overlook Lukaku especially given Everton upcoming fixtures

Dempsey · 09-12-2013 02:55AM

My reading of it is that Lukaku is the last everton player to touch the ball before Delofeau scored. Assist goes to him.

wonski · 09-12-2013 03:01AM

P.Walnuts wrote: »

My reading of it - If Lukaku wasn't there and didn't touch the ball (however slight) would Delofeau have received the ball? He wouldn't have as the ball would of been headed clear.

Also for the bolded part, two messy assists against Man U and Arsenal away is a great return tbh. Looking at comparable strikers I can't see any reason to overlook Lukaku especially given Everton upcoming fixtures

I do get this, but it was purely accidental in my opinion. I would never said he deserved one, regardless of what the specialist teams watching the replay say;) He did get one, because of the rules, but he didn't deserve one imo.
We don't know what would have happened if, so I don't buy it, but I do agree slight touch may change the course of the game. Beauty of it I suppose...
Not sure what browser you use, but there is no bolded part there...

P.Walnuts · 09-12-2013 03:02AM

wonski wrote: »

I do get this, but it was purely accidental in my opinion. I would never said he deserved one, regardless of what the specialist teams watching the replay say;) He did get one, because of the rules, but he didn't deserve one imo.
We don't know what would have happened if, so I don't buy it, but I do agree slight touch may change the course of the game. Beauty of it I suppose...
Not sure what browser you use, but there is no bolded part there...

My bad, I ment to bold the part where you said you were happy with Remy over Lukaku

wonski · 09-12-2013 03:04AM

P.Walnuts wrote: »

My bad, I ment to bold the part where you said you were happy with Remy over Lukaku

I have to be happy with him, bolded or not... Used my free transfer already...

Lemlin · 09-12-2013 08:11AM

wonski wrote: »

I do get this, but it was purely accidental in my opinion. I would never said he deserved one, regardless of what the specialist teams watching the replay say;) He did get one, because of the rules, but he didn't deserve one imo.
We don't know what would have happened if, so I don't buy it, but I do agree slight touch may change the course of the game. Beauty of it I suppose...
Not sure what browser you use, but there is no bolded part there...

Why wouldn't he deserve it? As another user said, if Lukaku wasn't there the simple fact is the ball would have been headed clear. Lukaku was the reason the ball got to Delofeu. Without him attempting to overhead kick it, it wouldn't of got there. That to me is why he deserves the assist.

It's something annoys me in the game tbh. I've often seen a player make a good dummy run and create space by jumping over a ball they could touch and they get nothing. While I do admit that would be far too hard to track it is very annoying. They used to have an item called a secondary assist. I think they got rid of it a few years back because it was too hard to track. It was points for a player who didn't assist but made a pass that contributed significantly to a goal.

Now Lukaku wasn't dummying but the simple fact is touch or not, and I do believe he got a slight touch, his presence allowed the ball to get to Delofeu. If he wasn't there it was headed clear. There were at least two defenders standing there to clear only he got himself in the way.

roryc · 09-12-2013 10:41AM

Danger781 wrote: »

I didn't see the direction being altered. Maybe I'm just not astute when it comes to spotting such subtle touches..

To me, it looked Oviedo curled the ball across the box to Deulofeu. Lukaku attempted to bicycle kick the ball, missed it, and the ball continued on its trajectory to Deulofeu.

I have no idea how you can't see the ball changing direction! If it hadn't hit Lukaku it would have even gone to Deulofeu! It goes from a gently outswinging cross to directly towards Deulofeu. Here's a pretty picture for anyone that still struggles with physics.

Whether he deserved the assist doesn't matter, people have been awarded assists for the ball hitting their arse when they knew nothing about it. Lukaku's touch meant the ball went to Deulofeu. If Lukaku wasn't there I can't see how Deulofeu would have scored, it would have either been headed clear or landed to far right for Deulofeu to have a shooting angle.

People saying he doesn't deserve an assist have a bit of an argument. People who say they can't even see a touch...

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G1032 · 09-12-2013 11:00AM

Man, can we put the bl@@dy assist debate to bed. He got an assist and frankly I couldn't care less whether he touched it with his head, leg, hand or @rse or if he didn't touch it at all. Points have been awarded and confirmed. Let's all just move on now

Swiper the fox · 09-12-2013 11:06AM

The assist thing is a bit of a joke at the best of times, how often does a player DESERVE an assist, I'd say less than half the time but those are the rules, I can remember a game last year where Santi Cazorla got four assists in a game where he was decidedly mediocre and just happened to be the last player to touch the ball on each occasion, the game where Ozil got three earlier in the season all from poor set pieces where Mert, Sagna and someone else produced outrageous headers from badly placed crosses. Get over it and move on, it'll work in your favour some time.

PARlance · 09-12-2013 11:08AM

Swiper the fox wrote: »

The assist thing is a bit of a joke at the best of times, how often does a player DESERVE an assist, I'd say less than half the time but those are the rules, I can remember a game last year where Santi Cazorla got four assists in a game where he was decidedly mediocre and just happened to be the last player to touch the ball on each occasion, the game where Ozil got three earlier in the season all from poor set pieces where Mert, Sagna and someone else produced outrageous headers from badly placed crosses. Get over it and move on, it'll work in your favour some time.

Careful now.... you could have made your point without casting my Ozil in a bad light

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