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The Origin of Specious Nonsense. Twelve years on. Still going. Answer soon.

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  • #512
    pauldla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭pauldla


    J C wrote: »
    The poster was asking for clarity on how I would vote in a Referendum ... and I had already refused to make public how I vote (on the important democratic principle of the confidentiality of the ballot box) ... and I was pointing out this fact in response to being repeatedly asked for an answer as to how I vote when I had already said firmly that I wouldn't answer such questions.

    This isn't being obstructionist ... its defending a very important democratic principle.

    There is nothing to stop one from revealing ones voting preference in a secret ballot: for example, exit polls are commonly found in democratic countries, with no infringement on democratic principles.

    If you do not wish to reveal how you would vote in a referendum, even if it be on an anonymous forum like boards.ie, that's entirely your business, but you must realize that you run the risk of making yourself look childish or obstructionist oh what's the point why am I even writing this I'm going to make myself a coffee and look at cute pictures of pets.


  • #513
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    J C wrote: »
    God is a God of justice ... so He will give everyone, including the young man in your story, the opportunity to be Saved ... but He won't force him.


    How does he give him the opportunity to be saved? The boy has turned his back on "God" which by your reckoning is a mortal sin and so a one way ticket to hellfire and damnation. Are you saying "God" holds some sort of interview process to see if someone should be allowed into heaven?

    J C wrote: »
    Did you see the video of the woman whose father was a satanist high priest and horribly abused and raped her when she was a child? ... and she subsequently became a Saved Christian ... and even forgave her father on his deathbed ... and led him in the sinners salvation prayer.
    With God everything is possible ... but we have to co-operate with Him.



    But she had faith and she lived, she had forgivness, and therefore in your eyes she is going straight to heaven If she had decided to turn her back on "God" and commit suicide would she go to heaven? What of her Father would he be heading off to heaven or would he be on a fast train to hell?


  • #514
    [-0-]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    How about those propositions JC?


  • #515
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Jernal wrote: »
    Vague answers like this are unwelcome and pointless.

    In all honesty JC's whole persona on this forum is unwelcome and pointless.


  • #516
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,247 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Another "new" thread. I can't keep up...


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  • #517
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    bumper234 wrote: »
    How does he give him the opportunity to be saved? The boy has turned his back on "God" which by your reckoning is a mortal sin and so a one way ticket to hellfire and damnation. Are you saying "God" holds some sort of interview process to see if someone should be allowed into heaven?
    ... all sin is serious to an infinitely holy God. The concepts of 'mortal' and 'venial' sin are Roman Catholic inventions.

    The young man will have the opportunity to be Saved ... if he refuses God will not force him ... no more than He will force anybody else, to be Saved.
    bumper234 wrote: »
    But she had faith and she lived, she had forgivness, and therefore in your eyes she is going straight to heaven If she had decided to turn her back on "God" and commit suicide would she go to heaven? What of her Father would he be heading off to heaven or would he be on a fast train to hell?
    Both herself and her father appear to be Saved.
    It goes to show that even being horribly abused and raped doesn't always cause people to reject God and Salvation.


  • #518
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    J C wrote: »
    ... all sin is serious to an infinitely holy God. The concepts of 'mortal' and 'venial' sin are Roman Catholic inventions.

    The young man will have the opportunity to be Saved ... if he refuses God will not force him ... no more than He will force anybody else, to be Saved.

    Both herself and her father appear to be Saved.
    It goes to show that even being horribly abused and raped doesn't always cause people to reject God and Salvation.

    So there is a chance that the young man in my story could bump Into the man who abused him and drove him to end it all? That's some concept of heaven you have.


  • #519
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    pauldla wrote: »
    There is nothing to stop one from revealing ones voting preference in a secret ballot: for example, exit polls are commonly found in democratic countries, with no infringement on democratic principles.
    The secrecy of the ballot is a major empowerment of the electorate ... and a major bulwark against bullying and discrimination where somebody doesn't vote the way somebody else wants them to.
    Exit polls can potentially infringe the secrecy of the ballot if they are conducted in public or make the person being polled feel compelled to reveal how they voted.
    pauldla wrote: »
    If you do not wish to reveal how you would vote in a referendum, even if it be on an anonymous forum like boards.ie, that's entirely your business, but you must realize that you run the risk of making yourself look childish or obstructionist oh what's the point why am I even writing this I'm going to make myself a coffee and look at cute pictures of pets.
    The secrecy of the ballot is a very important principle that is being increasingly eroded and compromised by both pre-vote polls and exit polls.


  • #520
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    bumper234 wrote: »
    So there is a chance that the young man in my story could bump Into the man who abused him and drove him to end it all? That's some concept of heaven you have.
    ... just like a mother who aborted her unborn child or a person who divorced another person may also meet each other in Heaven.
    As they will all be Saved, forgiveness and friendship will rule supreme in their spiritual relationships.


  • #521
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    J C wrote: »
    ... just like a mother who aborted her unborn child or a person who divorced another person may also meet each other in Heaven.
    As they will all be Saved, forgiveness and friendship will rule supreme in their spiritual relationships.

    How could you meet an aborted 'child'? It wouldn't even be developed enough to speak or anything


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  • #522
    Absolam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,913 ✭✭✭Absolam


    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    How could you meet an aborted 'child'? It wouldn't even be developed enough to speak or anything
    Obviously the soul is already fully developed, and just as old people become young again in heaven, babies can become grown ups in heaven.
    That's the cool thing about magic... it's magic!


  • #523
    magicbastarder
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    J C wrote: »
    ... just like a mother who aborted her unborn child or a person who divorced another person may also meet each other in Heaven.
    As they will all be Saved, forgiveness and friendship will rule supreme in their spiritual relationships.
    we are, to a very large extent, our memories.
    so what would someone who never had memories, or has none left, be like? be they a miscarried/aborted child, someone profoundly mentally handicapped, or someone suffering from advanced alzheimers?


  • #524
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    Absolam wrote: »
    Obviously the soul is already fully developed, and just as old people become young again in heaven, babies can become grown ups in heaven.
    That's the cool thing about magic... it's magic!

    Sorry I forgot what I was talking about. Need less logic, need moar magic!


  • #525
    kiffer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer


    Guys... guys... you've got it wrong.
    You don't meet anyone in heaven, there's no time to chit chat, all you do is sing a single note of praise to the Lord... you don't care thay your relatives are in hell, you only have one emotion or thought and that's sheer awe at the glory of God.
    You don't get to hang out with famous people or play ping pong with jesus


  • #526
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    kiffer wrote: »
    Guys... guys... you've got it wrong.
    You don't meet anyone in heaven, there's no time to chit chat, all you do is sing a single note of praise to the Lord... you don't care thay your relatives are in hell, you only have one emotion or thought and that's sheer awe at the glory of God.
    You don't get to hang out with famous people or play ping pong with jesus

    Well if there is no Jeebus ping pong then i am out.


  • #527
    IT-Guy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭IT-Guy


    J C wrote: »
    ... just like a mother who aborted her unborn child or a person who divorced another person may also meet each other in Heaven.
    As they will all be Saved, forgiveness and friendship will rule supreme in their spiritual relationships.

    WTF? Talk about emotional abuse! The concept of an aborted foetus in heaven has so much wrong with it and not just because there ain't no such thing as heaven. As for divorced people meeting in heaven, I presume there was a good earthly reason for them divorcing and it's a tad inappropriate to say those reasons wouldn't still be there after they enter 'heaven'. Does everyone lose their critical faculties when entering this magical realm?


  • #528
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    J C wrote: »
    ... just like a mother who aborted her unborn child or a person who divorced another person may also meet each other in Heaven.
    As they will all be Saved, forgiveness and friendship will rule supreme in their spiritual relationships.
    kiffer wrote: »
    Guys... guys... you've got it wrong.
    You don't meet anyone in heaven, there's no time to chit chat, all you do is sing a single note of praise to the Lord... you don't care thay your relatives are in hell, you only have one emotion or thought and that's sheer awe at the glory of God.
    You don't get to hang out with famous people or play ping pong with jesus
    bumper234 wrote: »
    Well if there is no Jeebus ping pong then i am out.

    We really need to send this thread to the makers of South Park, there's material in the last couple of pages alone for a whole new movie. Comedy gold!


  • #529
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    smacl wrote: »
    We really need to send this thread to the makers of South Park, there's material in the last couple of pages alone for a whole new movie. Comedy gold!

    Royalties for boards beers :D


  • #530
    Sierra 117
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Sierra 117


    kiffer wrote: »
    You don't get to hang out with famous people or play ping pong with jesus

    What? My years of ping pong practicing were for nothing?!


  • #531
    kiffer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer


    Sierra 117 wrote: »
    What? My years of ping pong practicing were for nothing?!

    I know... but on the plus side Jesus would probably have done all those annoying trick shots.
    I hear he plays a mean game of wine pong...


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  • #532
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    we are, to a very large extent, our memories.
    so what would someone who never had memories, or has none left, be like? be they a miscarried/aborted child, someone profoundly mentally handicapped, or someone suffering from advanced alzheimers?
    In this world our mortal memories and experiences may seem important and in many cases, subject to physical and environmental limitations ... but our immortal spirits are not subject to such limitations and they will have all of the experiences that eternity will provide in a Heaven that is an amazingly beautiful and intellectually stimulating place.


  • #533
    Quatermain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭Quatermain


    I disagree entirely on this view.
    Heaven, as conventionally conceived, is a place so inane, so dull, so useless, so miserable that nobody has ever ventured to describe a whole day in heaven, though plenty of people have described a day at the seaside

    -> George Bernard Shaw.


  • #534
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    kiffer wrote: »
    I know... but on the plus side Jesus would probably have done all those annoying trick shots.
    I hear he plays a mean game of wine pong...
    ... he certainly has an excellent vintage wine cellar!!!!:)


  • #535
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    J C wrote: »
    In this world our mortal memories and experiences may seem important and in many cases, subject to physical and environmental limitations ... but our immortal spirits are not subject to such limitations and they will have all of the experiences that eternity will provide in a Heaven that is an amazingly beautiful and intellectually stimulating place.

    But none of this will matter one iota as you have already stated that we will be too enraptured by "Gods" awesomeness to notice anything else around us.


  • #536
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Quatermain wrote: »
    I disagree entirely on this view.

    Heaven, as conventionally conceived, is a place so inane, so dull, so useless, so miserable that nobody has ever ventured to describe a whole day in heaven, though plenty of people have described a day at the seaside
    -> George Bernard Shaw.
    You're quite entitled to disagree.

    Shaw was obviously talking about a Heaven of his own invention ...

    1 Corinthians 2:9

    But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

    Doesn't sound 'inane, dull or miserable' to me.


  • #537
    Quatermain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭Quatermain


    You're right. It just sounds vague and unknowable. It sounds like it could be a row of iron maidens and a sea of molten iron. It could be dragons spewing chemical toxins into the air. It could even be a cheap hack's way of escaping having to do any form of descriptive writing. It sounds, in short, like an easy out.


  • #538
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    bumper234 wrote: »
    But none of this will matter one iota as you have already stated that we will be too enraptured by "Gods" awesomeness to notice anything else around us.
    That will be part of it ... but we will also be in Paradise with everything that this word implies.


  • #539
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,035 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    You're quite entitled to disagree.

    Shaw was obviously talking about a Heaven of his own invention ...

    1 Corinthians 2:9

    But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

    Doesn't sound 'inane, dull or miserable' to me.

    That's so vague that it could mean that could be eternally experiencing the Big Bang on a loop.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #540
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Quatermain wrote: »
    You're right. It just sounds vague and unknowable. It sounds like it could be a row of iron maidens and a sea of molten iron. It could be dragons spewing chemical toxins into the air. It could even be a cheap hack's way of escaping having to do any form of descriptive writing. It sounds, in short, like an easy out.
    It sounds like a promise that Paradise will be an amazing place.

    What you describe is an aspect of Hell.


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  • #541
    Quatermain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭Quatermain


    J C wrote: »
    It sounds like a promise that Paradise will be an amazing place.

    What you describe is an aspect of Hell.

    Weird, then, how much more apparently detailed the place of punishment is when compared to the place of reward, eh?


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