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    #32
    mountainyman
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    Joey the lips wrote: »


    2. Although it was pointed out later, none of the world believed the extermination was on the level it was or any where near it. The eastern europeans supported hitler in his quest( This is fact not fiction).
    In fairness there were many Eastern Europeans helped Jews. There was an underground organisation calle Zagota :
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BBegota They saved 50,000 Jews.
    If the puppet states that the Nazis set up were anti semitic this is because only an anti semitic puppet state would be allowed by the Nazis. It proves nothing.

    If many Eastern European Christians hated jews and were happy to sell them out to the nazis there were others who were willing to risk their lives to save Jews.

    In Ukraine, Poland and Byelorussia any suspicion of helping Jews and you and your family would be killed.


    Joey the lips wrote: »

    and there is no doubt in my mond that if the vatican at the time refused to step in an condem it, ireland who's morals came from the vatican would not have.

    The Vatican condemned German Anti semitism from 1937.
    Pope Pius XI wrote:
    11. None but superficial minds could stumble into concepts of a national God, of a national religion; or attempt to lock within the frontiers of a single people, within the narrow limits of a single race, God, the Creator of the universe, King and Legislator of all nations before whose immensity they are "as a drop of a bucket"


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    #33
    BossArky
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Serious question.

    Does the "Holocaust" refer to all those who were murdered in the German death camps or to the "Final Solution" of the so-called Jewish question? :confused:
    IRISH RAIL wrote: »
    I wonder how much help the IRA gave to hitler and his final solution?

    Stick to the topic Irish Rail. If you want to take the conversation elsewhere please start a new thread.


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    #34
    ilkhanid
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    As to the topic of the IRA and the Nazis, suffice to say that if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. The facts about Krystallnacht,the first concentration camps,the Nuremberg laws etc were well known by then, why else were left-wing elements in the IRA denouncing fascism? Did the Irish members of the International brigades think they were going off on a skite? The IRA knew the kind of people they were looking to for help,and they didn't care one whit.
    "The holocaust is mostly linked to the jews but more than 200000 political prisoners and russian pow died along with them"
    Although there is a large margin of error here, roughly a million political prisoners,mentally ill and disabled,Romanies, homosexuals and miscellaneous died in concentration camps,three and a half million Russian POWs died in German hands. Reprisals in occupied Europe and deaths by deliberate and indiscriminate actions including starvation caused by the extraction of food stocks briing the toll up even higher. Of these deaths the word 'Holocaust' refers only to the Jewish deaths by customary usage. Most historians describe the holocaust as the Jewish component of these acts.


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    #35
    mrtaylor1981
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    ilkhanid wrote: »
    As to the topic of the IRA and the Nazis, suffice to say that if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. The facts about Krystallnacht,the first concentration camps,the Nuremberg laws etc were well known by then, why else were left-wing elements in the IRA denouncing fascism? Did the Irish members of the International brigades think they were going off on a skite? The IRA knew the kind of people they were looking to for help,and they didn't care one whit.
    "The holocaust is mostly linked to the jews but more than 200000 political prisoners and russian pow died along with them"
    Although there is a large margin of error here, roughly a million political prisoners,mentally ill and disabled,Romanies, homosexuals and miscellaneous died in concentration camps,three and a half million Russian POWs died in German hands. Reprisals in occupied Europe and deaths by deliberate and indiscriminate actions including starvation caused by the extraction of food stocks briing the toll up even higher. Of these deaths the word 'Holocaust' refers only to the Jewish deaths by customary usage. Most historians describe the holocaust as the Jewish component of these acts.
    Yes the IRA were quite aware of the Nazi's and concentration camps. Ofcourse they are like the Germans who lived through the period and denied they had any knowledge.


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    #36
    mrtaylor1981
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    McArmalite wrote: »
    Crystal nacht was a terrible pogrom where nazi mobs openly aided by the German police and army attacked and looted Jewish homes. But I don't know why a unionist would point an accusing finger at the nazi's, as unionist mobs, openly aided by the british police and army attacked and looted Catholic homes in terrible pogroms also ??

    To quote brianthebard again - " Prove it or you're trolling ".



    This particuliar article on wiki on the so called " Plan Kathleen " is a complete piece of fiction, probably written by one of our lovely unionist friends no doubt. It can't be traced through four authoritive studies into German Intelligence ops in Ireland, namely -
    The Secret Army: The IRA 1916-1979 - J. Bowyer Bell (1971)
    Irish Secrets - German Espionage in wartime Ireland 1939-1945 - Mark M. Hall (2003)
    The Shamrock and the Swastika - German Espionage in Ireland in WW2 - Carolle J. Carter (1977)
    Spies in Ireland - Enno Stephan (1963)

    It's just unionist fiction.

    British naval superiority may well have made such an invasion impossible. But the unionists wouldn't know much about WW2 anyway, as they refused to be conscripted as their feet were too sore from all the orange marching ;):D.

    Now, any chance we could get back to the orginal post " Does the "Holocaust" refer to all those who were murdered in the German death camps or to the "Final Solution" of the so-called Jewish question? "
    " But the unionists wouldn't know much about WW2 anyway, as they refused to be conscripted as their feet were too sore from all the orange marching ". If the unionists had not played their part, Mr. de Valera and the Irish government would have had to contend with the German and later the Japanese representatives to their heart’s content Mr. SmartAlec.


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    #37
    junder
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    McArmalite wrote: »
    In my post #2, I said “The concentration camps in WW2 has been hijacked by the zionists to justify the annexation of Palestine “. But it looks like this thread has also been hijacked by a zionist to divert discussion on the make up of those killed in the Final Solution into a discussion on the IRA alleged support of Hitler :rolleyes::). Just how many Jews did the IRA kill in Ireland Irish Rail or should that be Isreali Rail :D ?? ?

    As absurd a discussion as you could get, the reality was that Frank Ryan and a few IRA men made overtures to the Germans for weapons etc to fight a just and honourable cause, the british occupation forces in Ireland. But if Irish Rail and our unionist friend cherrypicker are anything to go by, you’d think the IRA had been the SS and camp guards who rounded up the Roma’s, political opponents, Jews, mentally and physically ill and forced them into the gas chambers. As brianthebard stated " Prove it or you're trolling ".

    Arthur griffth was a well recorde anti-semiti, the leader of the IRA of the time died on a german u-boat and just why did old dev said a letter of condolance when hitler died, moreover why do you choose to call yourself after a weapon that was put to good use killing innocent people in northern ireland, you should be acreful about pointing fingers, and if the unionists never took part in the 2nd world war howcome Lord Molyneux was amoung the first soliders to enter belgan belson


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    #38
    ckristo2
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    Good evening Friends. The I.R.A. always employed the saying my enemy's enemy is my friend. Irish Nationaliss fought with the Boers in South Africa in 1900 and sought help from The German Kaiser in World War I. Using the Nazis as a kind of moral fulcrum, so whoever supported them is the worst in the world displays an ignorance or the period. Apart from the I.R.A. who were trying to be opportunistic (but achieved nothing from it) People sympathised with Hitler in the 30's and 40's because they were afraid of Communism not because they believed in National Socialism. Yes Zionists use the Holocaust and it is an irony so shocking that some of the Israeli soldiers who bombed and gassed infants in Gaza last January were probably the grandchildren of Concentration camp survivors.


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    #39
    ilkhanid
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    "...so whoever supported them is the worst in the world displays an ignorance or the period." Many of the people who supported them were pretty bad. One only has to see the way they behaved when that Nazis handed power to them. The IRA would have been no better if they had had the chance.
    "People sympathised with Hitler in the 30's and 40's because they were afraid of Communism not because they believed in National Socialism. " And because many of them were anti-democratic and anti-semitic in most cases. Look at the relish with which the Nazi quislings turned on the Jews when that were given the opportunity by their German masters.


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    #40
    DublinDes
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Why are people trying to change the thread which is about The Holocaust into something to do with the IRA? :confused:
    Because they have a Israeli/unionist agenda to drag the topic off in a different direction. Even the moderator BossArky asks people to stop dragging the agenda off in post #33 but still ilkhanid ( twice ), mrtaylor1981, junder try to turn the post into something about the IRA and not the subject the holocaust.
    I have seen this before, it's where someone does not like the critical nature of the discussion, so they drag it off into a debate about the IRA - when the IRA have zero to do with the part of history trying to be discussed.


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    #41
    McArmalite
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    DublinDes wrote: »
    Because they have a Israeli/unionist agenda to drag the topic off in a different direction. Even the moderator BossArky asks people to stop dragging the agenda off in post #33 but still ilkhanid ( twice ), mrtaylor1981, junder try to turn the post into something about the IRA and not the subject the holocaust.
    I have seen this before, it's where someone does not like the critical nature of the discussion, so they drag it off into a debate about the IRA - when the IRA have zero to do with the part of history trying to be discussed.

    Sure thing DublinDes, we have seen this before. Whenever any discussion invovled the mildest criticism of britain, e.g. the Famine, 1798, Cromwell etc, on would come a few unionists with " the IRA did this, the IRA did that, the IRA did the other " etc, etc, when the IRA had nothing whatsoever to do with the period of history been discussed, when they didn't even exist until centuries later. And all this, when the wrongs of the IRA were but a tiny fraction of those perpetrated by britian - and that's not just in Ireland. But it was all about wrecking the thread if it was been critical of their beloved britain.

    Not trying to tell BossArky what to do, but I'd advise he should watch out for this unionist tatic of destroying any discussion that is even mildly critical of britain with the IRA did this, the IRA did that etc, etc, etc. as 15/18 months ago, they nearly had this forum destroyed.


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    #42
    Neutronale
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    junder wrote: »
    Arthur griffth was a well recorde anti-semiti, the leader of the IRA of the time died on a german u-boat and just why did old dev said a letter of condolance when hitler died, moreover why do you choose to call yourself after a weapon that was put to good use killing innocent people in northern ireland, you should be acreful about pointing fingers, and if the unionists never took part in the 2nd world war howcome Lord Molyneux was amoung the first soliders to enter belgan belson

    Did Molyneaux ever talk about the gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen?


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    #43
    boomchicawawa
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    Neutronale wrote: »
    Did Molyneaux ever talk about the gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen?

    I'm confused. Are you asking this question of a poster from five years ago or are you fishing for a reaction from present members about evidence of gas chambers ?


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    #44
    Reekwind
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    boomchicawawa wrote: »
    I'm confused. Are you asking this question of a poster from five years ago or are you fishing for a reaction from present members about evidence of gas chambers ?
    I'm guessing the latter. Although it could just be a complete coincidence that the poster in question has recently been banned from AH after engaging in a spot Holocaust denial


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    #45
    boomchicawawa
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    Yes, a complete coincidence no doubt :rolleyes:


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    #46
    boomchicawawa
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    As this thread is about the holocaust. I think this info may be of interest to some. I have a file of 'tapping' documents from 1944. That is, conversations of German POWs who were secretly recorded by the British and then transcribed. There are apparently thousands of these documents, I only have one file (WO208/4138) which consists of over 800 pages. It makes for compelling reading. There is a book based on this type of files, 'Soldaten'-( Harold Welzer, Sonke Neitzel)

    Here is one such conversation:


    Leutnant Simianer (7/GR 979, 271) captured near Maltot 23 July 1944
    Leutnant 19y (HQ 77ID) Captured near Pepiers 18 July1944

    Simianer: To think of what the SS did at Simferopol, the things I saw there!

    19y: Were you in the Crimea?

    Simianer: In 1943,they shot forty thousand Jews, men women, children and all! They had to dig their own graves first. It was like this: about a thousand of them were shot every day. They had to dig a large hole first of all. They shovelled earth until 12 o clock and then about two hundred were shot; then another two hundred were shot, and then another two hundred, six hundred altogether. Then the remaining four hundred shovelled earth onto them and at the same time they dug another grave for themselves by 7o clock. When they had been shot the next lot had to come and shovel earth on them. (WO208/4138-p586)

    Its worth noting that this was recorded in 1944, some ten months before the end of the war and was not published as Allied propaganda. This was the reality for Jews in the territories occupied by the Nazi's, their only 'crime' was to be Jewish. A shameful stain in the long history and man's inhumanity to man IMO.


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    #47
    Neutronale
    Registered Users Posts: 429 ✭✭Neutronale


    boomchicawawa wrote: »
    I'm confused. Are you asking this question of a poster from five years ago or are you fishing for a reaction from present members about evidence of gas chambers ?

    Whatever, just thought I'd ask :)


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    Neutronale
    Registered Users Posts: 429 ✭✭Neutronale


    Reekwind wrote: »
    I'm guessing the latter. Although it could just be a complete coincidence that the poster in question has recently been banned from AH after engaging in a spot Holocaust denial

    Thats the funny thing about censorship, it doesnt make the questions go away, just makes it curiouser and curiouser ;)


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    Neutronale
    Registered Users Posts: 429 ✭✭Neutronale


    boomchicawawa wrote: »
    As this thread is about the holocaust. I think this info may be of interest to some. I have a file of 'tapping' documents from 1944. That is, conversations of German POWs who were secretly recorded by the British and then transcribed. There are apparently thousands of these documents, I only have one file (WO208/4138) which consists of over 800 pages. It makes for compelling reading. There is a book based on this type of files, 'Soldaten'-( Harold Welzer, Sonke Neitzel)

    Here is one such conversation:


    Leutnant Simianer (7/GR 979, 271) captured near Maltot 23 July 1944
    Leutnant 19y (HQ 77ID) Captured near Pepiers 18 July1944

    Simianer: To think of what the SS did at Simferopol, the things I saw there!

    19y: Were you in the Crimea?

    Simianer: In 1943,they shot forty thousand Jews, men women, children and all! They had to dig their own graves first. It was like this: about a thousand of them were shot every day. They had to dig a large hole first of all. They shovelled earth until 12 o clock and then about two hundred were shot; then another two hundred were shot, and then another two hundred, six hundred altogether. Then the remaining four hundred shovelled earth onto them and at the same time they dug another grave for themselves by 7o clock. When they had been shot the next lot had to come and shovel earth on them. (WO208/4138-p586)

    Its worth noting that this was recorded in 1944, some ten months before the end of the war and was not published as Allied propaganda. This was the reality for Jews in the territories occupied by the Nazi's, their only 'crime' was to be Jewish. A shameful stain in the long history and man's inhumanity to man IMO.

    You think this is genuine?


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    who the fug
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    Neutronale wrote: »
    You think this is genuine?

    well I do


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    #51
    boomchicawawa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 249 ✭✭boomchicawawa


    PM me and I'll send the original or if anyone can help me to post it here for all to see I'd be more than happy to show all...... why so incredulous ? Anyone can access these documents from the British Archives. Go to their website and put in that reference number. I always put references on my posts if I want to back up my opinions. lol


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    #52
    boomchicawawa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 249 ✭✭boomchicawawa


    War Office: Directorate of Military Operations and Intelligence, and Directorate of Military Intelligence; Ministry of Defence, Defence Intelligence Staff : Files.

    COMBINED SERVICES DETAILED INTERROGATION CENTRE: UNITED KINGDOM.

    Interrogation reports on German prisoners of war. 471 - 800.
    Collection: Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies
    Date range:01 February 1944 - 31 August 1944

    Reference:WO 208/4138

    Subjects:Armed Forces (General) | Internment | Army | Operations, battles and campaigns | Intelligence


    (Here it is, I got this page from 'search the catalogue' using the ref. no. at the BNA)

    Hope that helps, but my first offer is still on the table. And if you are curious about the Holocaust and any aspect of it, you would be better to start a new thread with your specific question instead of pasting it onto a years old thread IMO.


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    Neutronale
    Registered Users Posts: 429 ✭✭Neutronale


    boomchicawawa wrote: »
    War Office: Directorate of Military Operations and Intelligence, and Directorate of Military Intelligence; Ministry of Defence, Defence Intelligence Staff : Files.

    COMBINED SERVICES DETAILED INTERROGATION CENTRE: UNITED KINGDOM.

    Interrogation reports on German prisoners of war. 471 - 800.
    Collection: Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies
    Date range:01 February 1944 - 31 August 1944

    Reference:WO 208/4138

    Subjects:Armed Forces (General) | Internment | Army | Operations, battles and campaigns | Intelligence


    (Here it is, I got this page from 'search the catalogue' using the ref. no. at the BNA)

    Hope that helps, but my first offer is still on the table. And if you are curious about the Holocaust and any aspect of it, you would be better to start a new thread with your specific question instead of pasting it onto a years old thread IMO.

    Thanks for that.

    I'm new to this issue and as said above got banned when I asked too many questions - alright they said I was being mean to Bannsidhe but I reckon that was an excuse.

    If these tapes were from British intelligence it would make sense if they were meant as propaganda against the Nazis.

    I find it suspicious that such explicit recordings would be hidden away when they are vital pieces of evidence.


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    Neutronale
    Registered Users Posts: 429 ✭✭Neutronale


    who the fug wrote: »
    well I do

    On what basis?


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    boomchicawawa
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    Me thinks you are have a very suspicious mind ! But to be honest I can understand to a certain extent. I tend to do it myself, if I read something that doesn't make sense it fires me up to check into it.

    I came across this file because it had evidence against a guy I was investigating, my culprit had been accused of killing all the inhabitants of a village in Ukraine(non Jewish related )and there was a page in this file I needed. My guy was also indited for the murder of Canadians in Normandy (or at least men under his command had done it) but the British also asked him about crimes on the Eastern Front, now to cut a long story short, the British had no jurisdiction/time/wherewith all/ to follow up on any of the accusations of crimes that happened on the Eastern front as the Soviets were running the show there.

    They mentioned this in other files I have and although the story we see above would have been recorded, as far as I know, none of them would have been pursued for prosecution. They may have been used by the Allies to show 'form' as in my culprits case but there was very little they could do to verify the truth in most cases and they also had their hands full with all other issues like winning the war and then trying to sort out the gigantic mess that the war created. There are other pages in this particular file where the POWs discuss crimes against the Jews and to be honest, most of these stories are told by the narrator with disgust and horror.

    But there are thousands of files and as I say, they are available now to anyone who cares to order them or go over and look at them for free. I find them a fascinating insight into the mindset of the Germans at this time and they are surprising in their content. I will def. be ordering more. I also have interrogation docs but these have a different flavour as the guy knows he is being listened to. These guys were unaware they were being recorded, in some its quite funny because they will say 'I told them nothing in the interrogation, but wait till I tell you.....' I can just see the smile on the secret listeners face when that was said. !:P


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    Neutronale
    Registered Users Posts: 429 ✭✭Neutronale


    boomchicawawa wrote: »
    Me thinks you are have a very suspicious mind ! But to be honest I can understand to a certain extent. I tend to do it myself, if I read something that doesn't make sense it fires me up to check into it.

    I came across this file because it had evidence against a guy I was investigating, my culprit had been accused of killing all the inhabitants of a village in Ukraine(non Jewish related )and there was a page in this file I needed. My guy was also indited for the murder of Canadians in Normandy (or at least men under his command had done it) but the British also asked him about crimes on the Eastern Front, now to cut a long story short, the British had no jurisdiction/time/wherewith all/ to follow up on any of the accusations of crimes that happened on the Eastern front as the Soviets were running the show there.

    They mentioned this in other files I have and although the story we see above would have been recorded, as far as I know, none of them would have been pursued for prosecution. They may have been used by the Allies to show 'form' as in my culprits case but there was very little they could do to verify the truth in most cases and they also had their hands full with all other issues like winning the war and then trying to sort out the gigantic mess that the war created. There are other pages in this particular file where the POWs discuss crimes against the Jews and to be honest, most of these stories are told by the narrator with disgust and horror.

    But there are thousands of files and as I say, they are available now to anyone who cares to order them or go over and look at them for free. I find them a fascinating insight into the mindset of the Germans at this time and they are surprising in their content. I will def. be ordering more. I also have interrogation docs but these have a different flavour as the guy knows he is being listened to. These guys were unaware they were being recorded, in some its quite funny because they will say 'I told them nothing in the interrogation, but wait till I tell you.....' I can just see the smile on the secret listeners face when that was said. !:P

    Well, good luck with that.

    Hey, did you know they used steam chambers and electrocution chambers in Treblinka...some people think its bs tho...

    The British-Jewish historian Gerald Reitlinger rightly comments about this:
    “It is difficult to see how people could be exterminated by steam, […]”

    http://vho.org/dl/ENG/t.pdf


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    boomchicawawa
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    No I didn't ever hear about steam.

    Did you know that many Germans believed their Jewish neighbours who disappeared had been sent 'east' to be resettled. Funny thing was, the vast majority of them never returned and they have never been found to this day. Perhaps they were taken by UFOs to some planet.


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    jonniebgood1
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    Neutronale wrote: »
    Well, good luck with that.

    Hey, did you know they used steam chambers and electrocution chambers in Treblinka...some people think its bs tho...

    The British-Jewish historian Gerald Reitlinger rightly comments about this:
    “It is difficult to see how people could be exterminated by steam, […]”

    http://vho.org/dl/ENG/t.pdf

    Where are you going with this?


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    boomchicawawa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 249 ✭✭boomchicawawa


    jonniebgood1 wrote: »
    Where are you going with this?


    I would also like to know this. I can't make up my mind if you are just someone who is happy to stir things for a reaction or you have a serious historical interest in the subject.

    What exactly is your issue? Do you have trouble believing the Nazi's targeted Jews, or that they murdered them in vast numbers ? Is it the method of murder that's the issue or the number or if it really all is an urban myth?

    State your point of view and you will get serious replies no doubt. if you are just looking to throw a grenade into a room and enjoy the carnage, I'm not interested in wasting my time going around in circles.


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    boomchicawawa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 249 ✭✭boomchicawawa


    I have found another relevant page that serious scholars of History may be interested in. It's from the same file WO208/4138-page 626. Recorded on July 30th 1944.


    Oberleutnant Gayer(2AR/ 272) Captured St Andre 20 July 1944
    Oberleutnant Verbeek (1AR/272) Captured Maltot 23 July 1944
    Oberleutnant v.Buch (3AR/272) Captured Verriers 25 July 1944


    Gayer: I myself have seen the SS killing women and children. They are lined up by an anti-tank ditch and shot down with machine guns and then the next lot have to walk up and shovel earth over them and then they are also shot. The shaft of a mine at Charty? is full to the top with bodies.


    v.Buch: The Germans are a kind hearted people. Who are these swine?


    Gayer: The SS did that. At Osnabruck, people were taken out of their homes and immediately shot under the guidance of the Gestapo. Some Jews were employed in my father-in-laws business at Osnabruck. An order was received one day stating that all Jews were to report at such-and-such a time. They were allowed to take with them as much as they could pack into a suitcase, a certain size was laid down. They were never heard of again. They were all taken away to the East and shot there. They shot seventy thousand Jews at Minsk. Do you know that the ghetto in Warsaw was dive bombed by Stukka’s until it was completely destroyed? It was barricaded outside so nobody could get out. That was last year, I was there and I saw it. A few of them attempted to assassinate the town major, thereupon the whole ghetto was completely destroyed. Two of my cousins were shot in Norway because several Norwegian officers escaped to England. Thereupon some of the remaining officers including my two cousins were shot. These are facts. I have personal knowledge of them. Do you know that a Czechoslovakian village was completely razed to the ground after the attempt of Heydrich’s life? I know two large lunatic asylums, the inmates of which were not shot be gassed. One of them was at Osnabruck.


    In 1937 Peiz the seventy two year old M.O.H. was dragged through the streets of Osnabruck and stoned to death because he was a Jew. I saw that myself with my own eyes.


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    Neutronale
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    boomchicawawa wrote: »
    No I didn't ever hear about steam.

    Did you know that many Germans believed their Jewish neighbours who disappeared had been sent 'east' to be resettled. Funny thing was, the vast majority of them never returned and they have never been found to this day. Perhaps they were taken by UFOs to some planet.

    Perhaps they went to the US and Israel :confused:


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