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Sourcing Sony PVM/BVM monitors?

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  • #32
    STG.Otaku
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭STG.Otaku


    Yep. I have my 19" Dell still, but otherwise I'm CRT-less. Going the flat screen, Frameister/DVDO route now.


  • #33
    STG.Otaku
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭STG.Otaku


    zilog_jones wrote: »
    The only real way to improve on real 480i games is to patch them for 480p

    Or use a video processor. Which is what I do. My DVDO VP20 does a fine job of producing a progressive output from an interlaced input.

    Add in the ABT-102 card and flick it to either of the two game modes and the results speak for themselves. Check out my YouTube channel.

    ...and it doesn't look like **** on a CRT because that's the setup I used for years.


  • #34
    zilog_jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    A video processor converting 480i to 480p is creating half of the information from nothing, and it's even worse for video game content as there is no real motion blur between fields (unlike with real video camera footage) so motion estimation interpolation will not work half as well as it could and is much more likely to mis-calculate and create artefacts. Sure that kind of hardware will probably do a better job than typical HDTV de-interlacers but none of that stuff will beat getting real 480p video from the source, no matter how much money you throw at it.

    Where is your YouTube channel?


  • #35
    STG.Otaku
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭STG.Otaku


    youtube.com/stuffiwrote


  • #36
    STG.Otaku
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭STG.Otaku


    Try this for starters.:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_w9L5yNv-0


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  • #37
    zilog_jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    Hmm, as I suspected it's failing to de-interlace fast flashing and just leaving combing artefacts, e.g. when the boss is flashing in G-Darius. This is a common problem with many real-time de-interlacers and their inability to deal with computer graphics. Other than that, the videos are too blurry and low framerate to make out anything else discernible (thanks YouTube! :) ). I'm also surprised you're not using scanlines for 240p games - isn't that half the reason behind these video processors?

    Personally I think a decent 15 kHz CRT monitor like a Sony PVM would be a much better solution for this kind of stuff - 240p games look great with real scanlines, and 480i games will also look great if you're not offended by a bit of shimmering. Of course I understand not everyone has the time, money, space or inclination to have and maintain one.


  • #38
    STG.Otaku
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭STG.Otaku


    I know. It is mentioned in the comments. I used the wrong game mode on the ABT-102. Switch it to Game Mode 2 and it is perfect.

    Check out my later ESPGaluda test videos to see the results. Regarding scanlines I use an SLG 3000 in the chain for that. Hooked to a CRT or TFT.

    Of course a CRT is the perfect solution. But messing atound with video processors gives excellent results too, and something needs to be done because CRTs are not produced any more.


  • #39
    o1s1n
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    STG.Otaku wrote: »
    Yep. I have my 19" Dell still, but otherwise I'm CRT-less. Going the flat screen, Frameister/DVDO route now.

    I had 7 CRTs in my sitting room last week. 7!

    2 arcade machines
    1 Sony Trinitron
    1 Commodore 1094s
    3 Hantarex CT 25 EQs

    It was CRT paradise. Although I did stop and pause, having an almighty sense of 'wtf am I doing?!' moment.

    That moment where you realize you're that old woman found starved to death, surrounded by a collection unopened tins of beans. Or that old man who's house was cleared out after he passed, with floor to ceiling newspapers dating back to the 60s.


  • #40
    The Last Bandit
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    o1s1n wrote: »
    I had 7 CRTs in my sitting room last week. 7!

    2 arcade machines
    1 Sony Trinitron
    1 Commodore 1094s
    3 Hantarex CT 25 EQs

    It was CRT paradise. Although I did stop and pause, having an almighty sense of 'wtf am I doing?!' moment.

    That moment where you realize you're that old woman found starved to death, surrounded by a collection unopened tins of beans. Or that old man who's house was cleared out after he passed, with floor to ceiling newspapers dating back to the 60s.

    Should have went of a Darius setup with the 3 Hantarex's :)


  • #41
    CiDeRmAn
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    The Last Bandit wrote: »
    Should have went of a Darius setup with the 3 Hantarex's :)

    And then wind up with a certain pink bullets merchant living in your house!


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  • #42
    The Last Bandit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭The Last Bandit


    Finally got my GVM working, just needed a clean up on the sync signal. Geometry is still a bit off and needs tweaking but at least now there's a picture :)


  • #43
    o1s1n
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    Master of the Universe


    Nice one :)

    What's the picture quality like?

    By the way;

    BVM - Broadcast video monitor
    PVM - Professional video monitor
    GVM -???


  • #44
    The Last Bandit
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    Picture is great alright, really sharp just need to adjust the geometry and its sorted :)

    No idea with the 'G' stands for though.


  • #45
    Myrddin
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    Gaming Video Monitor, obviously :p


  • #46
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,256 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Rise from your grave!

    Bringing back this thread rather than creating a new one...

    Have a question for you good folks in anyone knows.

    I want to create a video chain, to display the same picture on three monitors.

    I take it you go video out from one monitor, to video in to the next and then video out/video in to the next one etc. So I need two RGB BNC cables to link the three together.

    What I'm trying to figure out is this, will this type of BNC RGB cable work? (three BNC cables, one for each colour)

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RGB-COAX-VIDEO-EXTENSION-CABLE-ASSEMBLY-3-BNC-to-3-BNC-/8776373662?pt=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item20b1cd59e

    Or will I need the extra sync cable too? (the BNC to scart console cable adapter thingy I'm using has four cables, Red, Green, Blue, Sync)

    The only other ones I can find are RGBHV (Which I believe is component?) - these have 5 BNC cables and I'm fairly sure they wont work.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6ft-RGB-HV-Male-to-Male-Hi-Res-5BNC-Video-Cable-/320813883817?pt=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item4ab1ff61a9


  • #47
    The Last Bandit
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    You'd have to link up the SYNC as well I'd imagine otherwise you'd only have pretty rolling colours.

    The 5 BNC cables should be grand, they just have the extra cable because they are for split horizontal/vertical sync signals - on most devices if you don't supply vertical sync then composite sync is expected on the horizontal sync input -- if that makes sense :)


  • #48
    o1s1n
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    Thanks for clarifying that, had me a bit confused! :)

    I guess the cables are all the same really aren't they? Just coaxial?

    Bought a couple of them there anyway. Should look class once they're all linked. For what purpose, I haven't a clue :D


  • #49
    The Last Bandit
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    Just cus you can :)


  • #50
    o1s1n
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    Master of the Universe


    The 9 inchers look pretty excellent stacked :)

    IMG_20140906_182132852_zps087a9cfa.jpg


  • #51
    [Deleted User]
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    That's what she said


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  • #52
    o1s1n
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    Master of the Universe


    KennethWilliams.jpg


  • #53
    CiDeRmAn
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    Right so, hooked up the Snes and MD to the PVM with my shiny new cables and everything looks a bit dim.
    Any ideas what might be up?


  • #54
    o1s1n
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    Obvious answer but worth clearing up first anyway - did you try twisting the brightness and contrast knobs?


  • #55
    CiDeRmAn
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    Yup. knobs were twisted, it's usable but nowhere near as vivid a picture as I expected.
    I'll have to have another look at it.


  • #56
    o1s1n
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    Master of the Universe


    There are two RGB input channels on that monitor (A & B) so try the other channel if you haven't already.

    Otherwise it might just be the cable. If you didn't live over the other side of the city I'd test it out for ya!


  • #57
    CiDeRmAn
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    o1s1n wrote: »
    There are two RGB input channels on that monitor (A & B) so try the other channel if you haven't already.

    Otherwise it might just be the cable. If you didn't live over the other side of the city I'd test it out for ya!

    So sad you had to abandon the rough tough streets of Clontarf alright!


  • #58
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,256 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Walking home from my local parcel motel was like a real life version of Streets of Rage. :(

    Where all the freshly cooked chicken on the ground was coming from I'll never know.


  • #59
    Jack burton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Jack burton


    Want to get one of these myself, any linky links?


  • #60
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,256 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Not at the moment no :(

    Need to keep an eye on the bay. The 9 inch ones are small enough to fit in Parcel Motel.


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  • #61
    Jack burton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Jack burton


    Cool, I'll set up an alert. :)


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