Bangernomics car of the week/day part III

flazio · 07-11-2013 01:07AM

Old diesel wrote: »

Not sure whats going on with the NCT on this - seller claims recent NCT (fair enough) but the ad suggests Feb 2015 test - on a 2000 car

Nice looking car though (I think) if the NCT story checks out

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/peugeot-406-2-0-litre-petrol/4614678

Its a coupe btw

Might have meant to click January, if they did an early test on a car due in Jan 14, then you can now get 2015 dates on the NCT certs.

Old diesel wrote: »

Maybe im missing something - but I think this has potential

02 Accord 1.8 - 124,000 miles - Jun 2014 NCT test

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-accord-1-8-vtec-se/5943010

That front badge is red isn't it? Thought Red Honda badges were only for Type Rs?

CianRyan · 07-11-2013 01:10AM

It is, plenty on eBay though.

delthedriver · 07-11-2013 01:16AM

flazio wrote: »

Might have meant to click January, if they did an early test on a car due in Jan 14, then you can now get 2015 dates on the NCT certs.
That front badge is red isn't it? Thought Red Honda badges were only for Type Rs?

Think it is only a badge!

JohnBoy26 · 07-11-2013 01:38AM

flazio wrote: »

Might have meant to click January, if they did an early test on a car due in Jan 14, then you can now get 2015 dates on the NCT certs.
That front badge is red isn't it? Thought Red Honda badges were only for Type Rs?

They are and it's the same with type r badges. That won't stop Damo from sticking a pair of them on his 1.3 Civic though.

07-11-2013 10:49AM

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

They are and it's the same with type r badges. That won't stop Damo from sticking a pair of them on his 1.3 Civic though.

Yep i was behind an Audi S4 this morning, some durty smoke out of the back of it when he put the boot down :pac::D

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 07-11-2013 11:11AM

00833827 wrote: »

Yep i was behind an Audi S4 this morning, some durty smoke out of the back of it when he put the boot down :pac::D

Ah the old S4 TDI, similar to the RS4 TDI, friend of the felt speccers!

W123-80's · 07-11-2013 11:16AM

cadaliac wrote: »

Sorry but i can't understand this. Why would you pay ~€800 for a car that's nearly 23 years old? With a bangernomics hat on of course.
It is not efficient. It is not modern and I doubt it drives as well as a car 10 to 15 years its junior.
I know that the thing is a bit of an icon but could you really live with the car as a daily hack?
I couldn't.
I would like to own one as a vintage maybe but a daily? Far better value out there imo.

I don't see a problem giving €800 for a 23 year old car once its mechanically sound. It's a shame the general public didn't share this sentiment, instead of running blindly to buy a number plate over a good car.
Efficiency is only one consideration when buying a car. It's position on the priority list varies for every buyer.
Obviously its not modern, it's 23 years old. Is that a pre-requisite for good bangernomics?
I agree it prob won't drive as well as some cars 10/15 years younger. But that's stating the obvious isin't it?
I'd drive it as a daily no bother.
Either way, it's only borderline bangernomics and I prob shouldn't have posted it.

cadaliac · 07-11-2013 11:44AM

W123-80's wrote: »

I don't see a problem giving €800 for a 23 year old car once its mechanically sound. It's a shame the general public didn't share this sentiment, instead of running blindly to buy a number plate over a good car.
Efficiency is only one consideration when buying a car. It's position on the priority list varies for every buyer.
Obviously its not modern, it's 23 years old. Is that a pre-requisite for good bangernomics?
I agree it prob won't drive as well as some cars 10/15 years younger. But that's stating the obvious isin't it?
I'd drive it as a daily no bother.
Either way, it's only borderline bangernomics and I prob shouldn't have posted it.

Whoah there W123-80's, I'm not having a go at you at all. If you would have it as a daily hack - then be my guest. I'm just saying that it would be a difficult car to live with on a daily basis (mpg etc) and wouldn't be everyones bangernomics cup of tea.
As for running for reg plates - well you couldn't be further from the truth. My last car was a '97 E200. I most certainly would entertain an older car if it was in good nic.
As you say, the rest is stating the obvious.

EazyD · 07-11-2013 11:52AM

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

I wouldn't say those mk5s are that well built.

Those mk2s have very serious and nasty rust issues. They literally do fall to pieces.

here is a link http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1169343

I wouldn't be buying one at this stage. If I wanted something like an mx5 I would gladly spend the extra money and get an s2000. They are a much, much better car.

I believe we talked about this back in March, prior to me buying a Mk2.5. They don't "fall to pieces" when properly cared for, as in coating underside, clearing drain holes and general maintenance. There's a lot of hearsay on this, and it's quite often absolute rubbish

W123-80's · 07-11-2013 11:55AM

cadaliac wrote: »

Whoah there W123-80's, I'm not having a go at you at all. If you would have it as a daily hack - then be my guest. I'm just saying that it would be a difficult car to live with on a daily basis (mpg etc) and wouldn't be everyones bangernomics cup of tea.
As for running for reg plates - well you couldn't be further from the truth. My last car was a '97 E200. I most certainly would entertain an older car if it was in good nic.
As you say, the rest is stating the obvious.

Apologies if I came across abrupt

I'll reign it in, having a bad morning.!

Old diesel · 07-11-2013 12:06PM

flazio wrote: »

Might have meant to click January, if they did an early test on a car due in Jan 14, then you can now get 2015 dates on the NCT certs.
That front badge is red isn't it? Thought Red Honda badges were only for Type Rs?

Yes - it may well be an innocent mistake - but its still worthy of note - something to check out. - if the NCT is all in order - that should become clear when talking to the seller - or viewing the car.

Didn't notice the badge - but I imagine its not hard to retrofit the red badge - if that's all that's wrong with the car - it should be a good motor I think

redsteveireland · 07-11-2013 01:15PM

Old diesel wrote: »

What Auto box is in this Audi

I know if its multitronic - or whatever their CVT box was called - that those were a disaster.

But is this too old to be one of those.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2002-audi-a4-automatic/5843919

Its actually an A6 inspite of what the link says

Has anyone here ever owned one of these? I might be interested in one like this for the wife. The auto box is the main attraction. It looks clean overall.

JohnBoy26 · 07-11-2013 01:46PM

EazyD wrote: »

I believe we talked about this back in March, prior to me buying a Mk2.5. They don't "fall to pieces" when properly cared for, as in coating underside, clearing drain holes and general maintenance. There's a lot of hearsay on this, and it's quite often absolute rubbish

My neighbours car was very well cared for and had a full jap s/h. it still had rust on it though.

You can coat the underside as much as you want and it will still rust because it comes from the inside out, From between the layers of metal where no "coating will get at"

All a layer of underseal will do is cover up the problem. No amount of care will prevent this rust issue.

It is also a safety issue because it weakens the front of the car to a point where it becomes dangerous.

Believe me I've seen enough of these to know that they do fall to pieces. It's not hearsay. The and arches are other problem areas. Sometimes the car can look perfectly fine on the outside and still completely rotten underneath.

Still think im talking rubbish? Do an internet search. Im sure you will find plenty of mx5 owners with these issues.

W123-80's · 07-11-2013 01:47PM

6 months test.
Leather, Auto, estate.
Lovely car
Asking €2000

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2001-bmw-e39-525i-touring/5868132

nd · 07-11-2013 02:10PM

Don't really know whether the price is good or not.

Mazda 323 2004 with nct till 01/2015. No mention of tax. €1,995

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mazda-323-2004-1-3-l-5dr-nct-01-2015/5701506

Cantona's Collars · 07-11-2013 02:57PM

http://www.adverts.ie/car/peugeot/607/2002-peugeot-607-for-sale/4125081

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02, 2L diesel,NCT Jul '14 145k, asking €1850

EazyD · 07-11-2013 03:26PM

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

My neighbours car was very well cared for and had a full jap s/h. it still had rust on it though.

You can coat the underside as much as you want and it will still rust because it comes from the inside out, From between the layers of metal where no "coating will get at"

All a layer of underseal will do is cover up the problem. No amount of care will prevent this rust issue.

It is also a safety issue because it weakens the front of the car to a point where it becomes dangerous.

Believe me I've seen enough of these to know that they do fall to pieces. It's not hearsay. The and arches are other problem areas. Sometimes the car can look perfectly fine on the outside and still completely rotten underneath.

Still think im talking rubbish? Do an internet search. Im sure you will find plenty of mx5 owners with these issues.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen because it does, generally a lot of rust issues are down to water clogging the rain holes as I'd imagine alot of people neglect this essential step. If water is sitting there in the sills for extended periods of time, you can only expect rust at an accelerated rate. Mine is touching 10 years at this stage and has minimal to none, was driven on northern roads where they tend to use a lot of of salt. I've owned 2 now so I can only speak from my experience. I do a full inspection every year with coating and hasn't let me down, you have to realise the average motorist tends to overlook preventative maintenance and wait for problems to surface.

W123-80's · 07-11-2013 03:27PM

'05 Panda
Tested 07/05
Asking €1750

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/fiat-punto-1-1-litre-5-door-cheap-car/5949164

bear1 · 07-11-2013 03:29PM

W123-80's wrote: »

'05 Panda
Tested 07/05
Asking €1750

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/fiat-punto-1-1-litre-5-door-cheap-car/5949164

The fact that they have advertised it as a Fiat Punto would put me off

W123-80's · 07-11-2013 03:30PM

'05 Stilo
Test July '15
Tax Feb '14
Asking €2000

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/fiat-stilo-2005-nct-15/5693062

W123-80's · 07-11-2013 03:32PM

bear1 wrote: »

The fact that they have advertised it as a Fiat Punto would put me off

Ha! Didn't even spot that.!

JohnBoy26 · 07-11-2013 03:43PM

EazyD wrote: »

I'm not saying it doesn't happen because it does, generally a lot of rust issues are down to water clogging the rain holes as I'd imagine alot of people neglect this essential step. If water is sitting there in the sills for extended periods of time, you can only expect rust at an accelerated rate. Mine is touching 10 years at this stage and has minimal to none, was driven on northern roads where they tend to use a lot of of salt. I've owned 2 now so I can only speak from my experience. I do a full inspection every year with coating and hasn't let me down, you have to realise the average motorist tends to overlook preventative maintenance and wait for problems to surface.

As I said this rust can't be prevented. The coating will only protect the outside of the chassis. Even if you managed to coat the inside of the box section it would still rust because it's made up of layers that aren't reachable with any coating.

Condensation builds up between these layers which causes these poorly protected areas to rust, and rust badly. This issue has got nothing to do with blocked drains either.

BorneTobyWilde · 07-11-2013 04:43PM

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-cl-600/5667681
You could rip out the back seats and put in a bulk head and open up link to boot, then DOE it
LOL

EazyD · 07-11-2013 05:50PM

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

As I said this rust can't be prevented. The coating will only protect the outside of the chassis. Even if you managed to coat the inside of the box section it would still rust because it's made up of layers that aren't reachable with any coating.

Condensation builds up between these layers which causes these poorly protected areas to rust, and rust badly. This issue has got nothing to do with blocked drains either.

Right so, I would genuinely love to show you my 2 models, I'll even upload pics of underside, sills, wells, boot etc. probably wouldn't change your tune though

JohnBoy26 · 07-11-2013 05:57PM

EazyD wrote: »

Right so, I would genuinely love to show you my 2 models, I'll even upload pics of underside, sills, wells, boot etc. probably wouldn't change your tune though

Im sure there are a few good ones left but there are far more rusty examples out there. Some times the only way to tell the condition of the front chassis, is to give it a few taps of a hammer to see if the area is solid.

This rust problem, in the location it's in, is a very dangerous problem. It's unacceptable to have such poor corrosion resistance in a car this modern Imo.

nd · 07-11-2013 06:00PM

04 mazda 6 with test till feb. but low mileage if genuine, 1750 euro ono

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2004-mazda-6-tax-test/5888366

Another one with a bit of tax and test for 1600 ono

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mazda-6-touring-sedan/5672381

EazyD · 07-11-2013 06:10PM

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Im sure there are a few good ones left but there are far more rusty examples out there. Some times the only way to tell the condition of the front chassis, is to give it a few taps of a hammer to see if the area is solid.

This rust problem, in the location it's in, is a very dangerous problem. It's unacceptable to have such poor corrosion resistance in a car this modern Imo.

You suggested in your previous post that they inherently fall to pieces and rust regardless of maintenance. That simply is not true. Perhaps you have seen many bad ones, I've seen countless bad examples of every model, civics, corollas, "bulletproof" cars that people swear by. The ones you saw were evidently neglected to some extent, so it's not surprising.

JohnBoy26 · 07-11-2013 06:59PM

EazyD wrote: »

You suggested in your previous post that they inherently fall to pieces and rust regardless of maintenance. That simply is not true. Perhaps you have seen many bad ones, I've seen countless bad examples of every model, civics, corollas, "bulletproof" cars that people swear by. The ones you saw were evidently neglected to some extent, so it's not surprising.

And they do fall to pieces regardless of maintenance. You simply cannot maintain the area between the layers of metal on the front chassis as there is no access. This seems to be going over your head. But hey don't take it from me, look it up, read up on it and you will know what I am talking about.

Also your comparison to a Civic and Corolla doesn't hold much weight. Both not only have vastly superior rust protection to an mx5, but they also have better rust protection tha most of the mazda range.

Of course a 10-15 year old Civic or Corolla will have some small degree of rust but nothing on the same level as those mazda's.

When for example have you seen a 97-02 Corolla with holes in it's chassis or holes in it's sills/arches?

alias no.9 · 07-11-2013 08:21PM

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

My neighbours car was very well cared for and had a full jap s/h. it still had rust on it though.

You can coat the underside as much as you want and it will still rust because it comes from the inside out, From between the layers of metal where no "coating will get at"

All a layer of underseal will do is cover up the problem. No amount of care will prevent this rust issue.

It is also a safety issue because it weakens the front of the car to a point where it becomes dangerous.

Believe me I've seen enough of these to know that they do fall to pieces. It's not hearsay. The and arches are other problem areas. Sometimes the car can look perfectly fine on the outside and still completely rotten underneath.

Still think im talking rubbish? Do an internet search. Im sure you will find plenty of mx5 owners with these issues.

JDM cars do not generally receive the same rustproofing in the factory as Europe bound models.

delthedriver · 07-11-2013 08:31PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-cl-600/5667681
You could rip out the back seats and put in a bulk head and open up link to boot, then DOE it
LOL

Car has been on the market a long time now!:)

Bangernomics car of the week/day part III

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