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Stopped on double yellow lines - but didn't exit car - is a parking ticket valid ?

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  • #32
    djimi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    ferretone wrote: »
    There always seems to be such confusion in this country over these distinctions! I did German driving school back in the day, and for the theory part there was a clear lesson on the difference between parking, stopping and waiting.

    Waiting is where traffic conditions don't allow you to proceed, be it at a traffic light, zebre crossing with pedestrians, jam, whatever. Even this you aren't allowed to do in certain places, eg opposite junctions except when turning right, though in Ireland you generally have yellow boxes to hammer the point home, as we aren't properly trained to drive.

    Stopping is where you voluntarily halt the vehicle for a period of up to 3 minutes, without leaving the car. This may be done on a single yellow line, but not a double one.

    Parking is where you stop for a period exceeding 3 minutes, or leave the car. You may not do this on either a double or single yellow line.

    So it really makes no difference whether the OP was parking or stopping, as it was a double yellow line, and they clearly were not waiting.

    Are those definitions as clearly definied in Irish law? It would make a lot of sense if they were, but I dont think that they are. Even for single yellow lines I think the definition is somewhat ambiguous; I seem to remember being told that you can park on a single yellow line for a short period of time when learning, without any clear definition of "short period" being given.


  • #33
    Anan1
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    ironclaw wrote: »
    Must have been private. Or, and pure speculation, the Gardai have a number of cameras mounted high in crime hotspots (Bray, Dun Laoghaire for example) A really bored operator could have notice the car parked up for a period and issued a fine by zooming in on the reg.

    So OP, can you clarify who issued the ticket and where?
    The Gardaí have been issuing paperless tickets for a few years now - might have been a passing Garda car.


  • #34
    timmy4u2
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    I will look into this as I think that the OP may have a case.

    In the days gone by there was a distinct definition of what parking was as there was a definition of waiting, hence the no waiting regulation and there certainly is a different offence of causing an obstruction through parking. You do not need yellow lines to allow the offence of to park causing an obstruction.
    I do know that heretofore a warden was not empowered to place a ticket on a vehicle that was stopped with the driver at the controls.
    I am a bit rusty with what the amendments may have made or how they may have impacted on the byelaws.

    If any body has more time than I have at the moment they might look up the interpretation Act notwithstanding that there may be cases stated.
    I do know that you are exempt the regulations under the Dublin bye laws if you are loading or unloading a car provided it is NOT in a designated loading bay


  • #35
    Spook_ie
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    endacl wrote: »
    Ignorant driving is ignorant driving. Pi55es me off even more when taxi drivers do it. 'Professional' drivers...?

    And how do you propose that taxis drop passengers off? Throw them out at speed and advise they hit the ground rolling!


  • #36
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    And how do you propose that taxis drop passengers off?
    Without obstructing traffic flow, same as any other driver.


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  • #37
    markpb
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    Spook_ie wrote: »
    And how do you propose that taxis drop passengers off? Throw them out at speed and advise they hit the ground rolling!

    Find somewhere legal to stop?


  • #38
    timmy4u2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭timmy4u2


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    And how do you propose that taxis drop passengers off? Throw them out at speed and advise they hit the ground rolling!
    Under the dublin bye laws the act of dropping off or picking up passengers is allowed.


  • #39
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Without obstructing traffic flow, same as any other driver.

    Ah you mean do a Ryanair job on them and drop them off somewhere else away from their required destination. That 'll work :-D


  • #40
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    And how do you propose that taxis drop passengers off? Throw them out at speed and advise they hit the ground rolling!
    Anan1 wrote: »
    Without obstructing traffic flow, same as any other driver.

    Just LOL! :rolleyes:


  • #41
    gordongekko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    I'm at this very moment parked in a loading bay that also has double yellow lines. My head hurts wondering where i stand legally.


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  • #42
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    ferretone wrote: »
    There always seems to be such confusion in this country over these distinctions! I did German driving school back in the day, and for the theory part there was a clear lesson on the difference between parking, stopping and waiting.

    Waiting is where traffic conditions don't allow you to proceed, be it at a traffic light, zebre crossing with pedestrians, jam, whatever. Even this you aren't allowed to do in certain places, eg opposite junctions except when turning right, though in Ireland you generally have yellow boxes to hammer the point home, as we aren't properly trained to drive.

    Stopping is where you voluntarily halt the vehicle for a period of up to 3 minutes, without leaving the car. This may be done on a single yellow line, but not a double one.

    Parking is where you stop for a period exceeding 3 minutes, or leave the car. You may not do this on either a double or single yellow line.

    So it really makes no difference whether the OP was parking or stopping, as it was a double yellow line, and they clearly were not waiting.
    I don't think you can base rules which apply in Ireland from German law.


  • #43
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,449 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    And how do you propose that taxis drop passengers off? Throw them out at speed and advise they hit the ground rolling!

    Same way I do. Find a sensible spot to stop?


  • #44
    REXER
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭REXER


    CiniO wrote: »
    I don't think you can base rules which apply in Ireland from German law.

    Don't forget who runs the show here now! The TROIKA makes the rules and don't let Enda tell you anything different! :D


  • #45
    ba_barabus
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    Anan1 wrote: »
    The Gardaí have been issuing paperless tickets for a few years now - might have been a passing Garda car.

    Very interesting. I knew it took place in other places but I never realised the Gardai did it. It must be a pretty rare occurrence for it to happen, unless of course you really are causing major obstruction such as that Micra which blocked the Luas some time back.


  • #46
    ironclaw
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    Anan1 wrote: »
    The Gardaí have been issuing paperless tickets for a few years now - might have been a passing Garda car.

    A passing Garda car would more than likely stop, few Gardai could pass up the opportunity to lecture someone. They don't use ANPR to issue parking tickets and I certainly doubt they would make a note of the reg to issue a ticket later. Also common sense would prevail and I'm sure most Garda would allow someone a momentary stop on double yellows (I'm talking 30 secs tops to drop someone off i.e. An elderly relative or perhaps the car is immobilised / broken down) All of the above you couldn't do by merely passing by.

    Maybe its buried in the thread but who issued the ticket?


  • #47
    ba_barabus
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    ironclaw wrote: »
    Maybe its buried in the thread but who issued the ticket?

    First question I asked and it still hasn't been answered.

    Lots of advice been given on a thread which is missing the important details.


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