TUS Programme

jos22 · 23-10-2013 10:04PM

danois wrote: »

Asking a question for my mum. Shes on a Tus scheme and was told her hours in work would be 3 days a week mon tues and sat. She agreed to this even tho she wasn't too happy about working every sat. Thing is now she is being told she has to come in on a Fri for half an hour for a staff meeting. She (the boss)said it is an actual job and that my mam has to treat it like a real job therefore she must come in for an extra half hour. Is this allowed?

you can do more than the 19.5 hours, in the week, so if she dose 20 hours that week she can do 19 hours another week.

or 38 hours one week and off the next week etc,

she should contact her TUS supervisor and complain that she being called in at times out side of the agreed time and dates.
and she not happy as if interferes with X ,Y Z etc

zenno · 23-10-2013 10:49PM

Ahh the joy's of it all. As in my previous posts regarding, awaiting for TUS to contact me, i have secured two courses from FAS today, as FAS can only allow you to enrol in two courses at the same time with a few months apart from each course.

Goodbye TUS (The Usual Stuff) no forced charity work or painting churches/community centres/scrubbing/mopping or fixing door-knobs and making tea for me awaiting to be enrolled in such dead end depression of a forced labour, i'm off to learn something that will help me progress in learning as to make progress to gain employment in what i love doing, and it's all free.

The amount of good courses available from FAS is amazing, i never knew they had the capability to produce so many, there's something for everyone.

My 2 cents would be... better to do a course that you will like and learn something to progress than to be forced into charity work or non-profit work that you do not like, a year is a long time, better off spending that year being taught something that could enhance your life.

I would definitely advise anyone that is worried about doing this dead-end TUS thing to contact fas to look for courses of your liking, they are very helpful indeed, and will let you pick what you want to do.

TUS: Fin

zenno · 23-10-2013 10:55PM

jos22 wrote: »

you can do more than the 19.5 hours, in the week, so if she dose 20 hours that week she can do 19 hours another week.

or 38 hours one week and off the next week etc,

she should contact her TUS supervisor and complain that she being called in at times out side of the agreed time and dates.
and she not happy as if interferes with X ,Y Z etc

Well if his mum goes in for the meeting and it is half an hour or more, then his mum should deduct this from her next workday as to keep to the 19.5 hours a week. She is only supposed to do 19.5 hours in a full week, so she has the right to leave early on one of the days to the time spent in the meeting. She should make this clear to her employer.

Annasopra · 23-10-2013 11:00PM

danois wrote: »

Asking a question for my mum. Shes on a Tus scheme and was told her hours in work would be 3 days a week mon tues and sat. She agreed to this even tho she wasn't too happy about working every sat. Thing is now she is being told she has to come in on a Fri for half an hour for a staff meeting. She (the boss)said it is an actual job and that my mam has to treat it like a real job therefore she must come in for an extra half hour. Is this allowed?

Possibly

Does she have a contract or something written down specifying the hours?

Is there an incurred extra travel cost?

zenno · 24-10-2013 12:03AM

mango salsa wrote: »

Possibly

Does she have a contract or something written down specifying the hours?

Is there an incurred extra travel cost?

The contract with TUS in association with the department of social welfare clearly states that said TUS employee has a dedicated time-line of 19.5 hours per week, and no more. 19.5 hours is the maximum regarding this scheme.

If her employer is making her work over this time, then her employer is breaking a contract agreement with the DSP.

Her employer cannot force her to work or dedicate any more time than the 19.5 hour per week. You can do the 19.5 hours spaced out over certain days, but you cannot be forced to dedicate time outside of this.

Tell her to have a chat with her TUS supervisor in regards to this .

24-10-2013 04:18PM

I think she's got a power hungry shagger of a supervisor. She doesn't have to work every saturday, if it doesn't suit. I think they can work 39 hours a fortnight, and work it week on and week off, 5 day week. How do her workmates feel about it? What kind of work is she doing, as in how many days is the business open? If it's open 6 days a week, then I'm sure that she should be able to work 3 consecutive days. If she's not happy, she should go to the welfare office and have a chat. They're not all ogres.

deadpacman · 25-10-2013 02:28AM

Hi,

I'm starting on the TUS programme doing IT work in a couple of weeks. It lasts 1 year. What can I hope to get when it ends? Has there ever been instances of people being kept on full time after it was completed?

jos22 · 25-10-2013 02:40AM

deadpacman wrote: »

Hi,

I'm starting on the TUS programme doing IT work in a couple of weeks. It lasts 1 year. What can I hope to get when it ends? Has there ever been instances of people being kept on full time after it was completed?

A reference and letter to the tell the dole office I'm back.

the odd person is kept on every now and then, but most places will opt to just take an another TUS employee instead.

MouseTail · 25-10-2013 08:31AM

deadpacman wrote: »

Hi,

I'm starting on the TUS programme doing IT work in a couple of weeks. It lasts 1 year. What can I hope to get when it ends? Has there ever been instances of people being kept on full time after it was completed?

TUS placements are in community groups. It's very very unlikely you will be kept on, that is not the purpose of the scheme. The scheme aims to get long term unemployed people a recent jobs history and reference.
Jobbridge might be more suitable for you?

Rubberchikken · 25-10-2013 08:39AM

i'm starting a Tus place next wednesday. actually looking forward to it.
just admin, reception work, but better than nothing and i will always have the experience/reference.
apparently my future 'employer' has an excellent reputation so here's hoping.
there are some out there who seem to think participants on these schemes are slaves, there to do their bidding.

Backstreet Moyes · 25-10-2013 10:07AM

Does anybody think it is really unfair to be asked to work every Saturday like the person's mother a few posts back. It's bad enough being on the scheme but surely somebody getting a wage should be actually working on a Saturday and not somebody on placement. Don't think it is fair at all giving up a Saturday.

25-10-2013 10:25AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Does anybody think it is really unfair to be asked to work every Saturday like the person's mother a few posts back. It's bad enough being on the scheme but surely somebody getting a wage should be actually working on a Saturday and not somebody on placement. Don't think it is fair at all giving up a Saturday.

I agree that working every Saturday is a pain. I also don't agree with having the week split. Most TUS/FAS schemes are more flexible and share the nasty days out. Most Supervisors are great and run a happy friendly scheme, but others can be sods to work for! The important thing about these schemes is that you ARE getting valuable work experience and are showing prospective employers that you are willing to work.

zenno · 25-10-2013 07:04PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Does anybody think it is really unfair to be asked to work every Saturday like the person's mother a few posts back. It's bad enough being on the scheme but surely somebody getting a wage should be actually working on a Saturday and not somebody on placement. Don't think it is fair at all giving up a Saturday.

This is just one problem regarding TUS, they will use the TUS employee for all saturday's because not one paid worker will want to work saturday's or sunday's.

The easy option is to have a TUS employee to do those days, and including sunday's if they can get away with it, it happened a guy i know, he done the 19.5 hours and finished on a saturday and then he got a phone-call on sunday morning at 9am to go over and paint the football pitch. He politely told them where to go.

They know that folk will get in trouble if they don't comply with their employer, so they use this against the employee sometimes out of greed and disrespect to work overtime of which was already stated previously as a contract agreement failure on the employers side. Some TUS placements will chance their arm and get you to work on a sunday but all you have to do is say you are busy and have things planned already so piss-off no thanks

jos22 · 25-10-2013 07:11PM

zenno wrote: »

This is just one problem regarding TUS, they will use the TUS employee for all saturday's because not one paid worker will want to work saturday's or sunday's.

The easy option is to have a TUS employee to do those days, and including sunday's if they can get away with it, it happened a guy i know, he done the 19.5 hours and finished on a saturday and then he got a phone-call on sunday morning at 9am to go over and paint the football pitch. He politely told them where to go.

They know that folk will get in trouble if they don't comply with their employer, so they use this against the employee sometimes out of greed and disrespect to work overtime of which was already stated previously as a contract agreement failure on the employers side. Some TUS placements will chance their arm and get you to work on a sunday but all you have to do is say you are busy and have things planned already so piss-off no thanks

you should not be required to work ever Saturday, some places that open at weekends should rotated staff so might do once a month etc.
there is no over time on TUS scheme any hours some dose over the 19.5 comes off an other days work.

you can refuse to work week ends , and say you can do the 19.5 hours any time over m-f and you payment can not be stopped for this.

dubscribe · 26-10-2013 01:31PM

zenno wrote: »

Ahh the joy's of it all. As in my previous posts regarding, awaiting for TUS to contact me, i have secured two courses from FAS today, as FAS can only allow you to enrol in two courses at the same time with a few months apart from each course.

Goodbye TUS (The Usual Stuff) no forced charity work or painting churches/community centres/scrubbing/mopping or fixing door-knobs and making tea for me awaiting to be enrolled in such dead end depression of a forced labour, i'm off to learn something that will help me progress in learning as to make progress to gain employment in what i love doing, and it's all free.

The amount of good courses available from FAS is amazing, i never knew they had the capability to produce so many, there's something for everyone.

My 2 cents would be... better to do a course that you will like and learn something to progress than to be forced into charity work or non-profit work that you do not like, a year is a long time, better off spending that year being taught something that could enhance your life.

I would definitely advise anyone that is worried about doing this dead-end TUS thing to contact fas to look for courses of your liking, they are very helpful indeed, and will let you pick what you want to do.

TUS: Fin

All well and good if you live in a high density urban area, like Dublin, Cork, Galway or Limerick. However, if like me, you live in rural area, 30 mins bus journey to a regional town, the choice of Fas courses is extremely limited, the the scope to travel further afield in prohibitively expensive

dubscribe · 26-10-2013 01:49PM

Yesterday I was required to travel into town to attend an "Intro to Health & Safety course".

The time was subtracted from 19.5 hrs worked a week BUT it cost me 9 euro bus fare AND 6 euro taxi to the location to the course since when I told my TUS supervisor that I would not be able to make it on time, because of the distance from where the bus stopped and I only had one choice of bus from my village which would not get me into town any earlier, she said it was imperative that I was there on time - hence the need to catch a taxi. Worst still, the course started nearly 30 mins late, and that been the case I COULD have walked to the location and saved myself that additional taxi expense :mad:

I asked would my travel expenses be refunded and she said no, the 20 euro top-up was to cover such things!

I was under the impression that the 20 euro top up was payment for my working 19.5 hrs a week. Is that not the case?

Fred Swanson · 26-10-2013 01:52PM

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CarrieLee · 26-10-2013 05:54PM

dubscribe wrote: »

Yesterday I was required to travel into town to attend an "Intro to Health & Safety course".

The time was subtracted from 19.5 hrs worked a week BUT it cost me 9 euro bus fare AND 6 euro taxi to the location to the course since when I told my TUS supervisor that I would not be able to make it on time, because of the distance from where the bus stopped and I only had one choice of bus from my village which would not get me into town any earlier, she said it was imperative that I was there on time - hence the need to catch a taxi. Worst still, the course started nearly 30 mins late, and that been the case I COULD have walked to the location and saved myself that additional taxi expense :mad:

I asked would my travel expenses be refunded and she said no, the 20 euro top-up was to cover such things!

I was under the impression that the 20 euro top up was payment for my working 19.5 hrs a week. Is that not the case?

I was contacted about the same thing and I flat out refused to do it. Said I wasn't told about it before I agreed to participate in the joke scheme and so it was a breach of the terms I agreed to that I was now being told that I HAD to do this. There is no way you should have had to hire a taxi for this thing! Some of these people are on ridiculous power trips!

I don't know if there will be repercussions for me - it was a couple of weeks back and I haven't heard anything else. But What can they do? Dock me the money for the three house the course would take? Throw me off the scheme? Please do, as it's a total waste of my time!

Anyway, let them do their worst. I am sick to death of dealing with these people and their bully tactics.

zenno · 27-10-2013 02:41AM

dubscribe wrote: »

All well and good if you live in a high density urban area, like Dublin, Cork, Galway or Limerick. However, if like me, you live in rural area, 30 mins bus journey to a regional town, the choice of Fas courses is extremely limited, the the scope to travel further afield in prohibitively expensive

I see your point in regards to distance, that would be a problem indeed. I never factored that one in.

ForeverYoungx · 27-10-2013 10:29AM

has anyone replied to the initial "are you interested in joining tus" letter with a no? i got the letter a few days ago and want to write back no (because i want to do a course or a job that will actually benefit me/my future) but im worried i'll be cut if i say no

Fred Swanson · 27-10-2013 04:03PM

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zoeenya · 27-10-2013 04:10PM

I got asked to do this scheme. I am in college, I told them this, and they said it fine. Just for anyone who is in college etc. Do not worry

ForeverYoungx · 27-10-2013 04:15PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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yeah I was thinking that might be the case. feeling kind of bullied into this. don't get me wrong, if it was something i thought i'd be gaining from, i'd do it, but it seems like i will gain nothing but some business will gain a slave for 12 months!

don't know why they bother asking if i'm interested in signing up for tus if they're not really giving me a choice!

the thing is, i'm an introvert and wouldn't be comfortable working with people (elderly,children,disabled,etc. all ruled out) so it doesn't leave much for me to do other than pick up litter...and that just seems degrading

Sephiroth_dude · 27-10-2013 04:41PM

Anyone in cork been roped into this stupid scheme?

ForeverYoungx · 27-10-2013 05:47PM

is there any way i can do a fas course instead of tus? or is there no way of getting out of it? what if i apply to fas and write that on the form? FAS courses aren't great but seem a lot better than tus

Annasopra · 28-10-2013 09:47AM

ForeverYoungx wrote: »

is there any way i can do a fas course instead of tus? or is there no way of getting out of it? what if i apply to fas and write that on the form? FAS courses aren't great but seem a lot better than tus

Yes there is

ForeverYoungx · 28-10-2013 11:20AM

mango salsa wrote: »

Yes there is

great so do i just apply for FAS and write on the letter to tus that i'm not interested as i have applied for a fas course?

Annasopra · 28-10-2013 11:22AM

ForeverYoungx wrote: »

great so do i just apply for FAS and write on the letter to tus that i'm not interested as i have applied for a fas course?

I'm not sure - talk to fas and/or the tus team leader

ForeverYoungx · 28-10-2013 11:31PM

another question. i was hoping if i was still unemployed next september (long way off, and really hope i'm not) that i could go back to college. obviously if i sign up for TUS it will be a 12 month contract and bring me to probably dec/jan next year....could this be a valid reason for ticking no on the letter? i don't mind doing a FAS course or something in the meantime, but i think getting a proper education will benefit me better than TUS in the longterm. i'll be a mature student then and have a lot more options available to me

Fred Swanson · 28-10-2013 11:36PM

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