Love/Hate's Most Evil Character

loveBBhate wrote: »

Now that I think about it given that I was reminded about the rape scene by BuilderPlumber's post, I'd have Git up there ahead of Fran, maybe even Hughie. While the likes of Hughie and Fran are given plenty on time on screen to show just how evil they can be, Git isms given what? One episode? That rape scene was one of the most disturbing scenes I've seen on television, nevermimd Love/Hate. I can only imagine what else he was capable of.

Fran, while he throws the odd slap (Donna/teenage girl) I don't know if he'd have it in him to be a violent rapist, Hughie too.

For me, it is between Hughie, Git and Stumpy as most evil character on the show so far.

Fran is pragmatic and has self control. His relationship with Tommy will be very interesting. It seems Fran will want to topple Nidge and Fran and Tommy could tell each other some secrets. For now, Fran sees Tommy as gone in the head and has contemplated killing him. However, Fran could end up telling Tommy it was Nidge who hit him and Tommy could then tell Fran about the pipe bomb. I predict their relationship will improve and both's relations with Nidge will become poor.

Fran has no interest in rape or any cruelty for the sake of it. Same with Nidge. Fran's main motive is to make money, reach the top and protect himself from any threats around him. He currently sees Tommy as a threat (but less so now) and will see him as an ally very soon I'd say. He sees Nidge as vulnerable at present and Nidge also has to protect himself from a load of threats.

What makes characters like Fran and Nidge (and even Dano) very interesting is that they are not all bad. There are glimpses of decency there and you can see them do something bad one minute and then turn around and do something kind the next. Even with Git we saw this: yes, he raped Siobhan but he also was kind to his pigeons and did not approve of the Ado kneecapping.

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

He was a kind of neutral on the tiger robbery. Not as evil as Fran, not as soft as Tommy.

Apart from that though he seems to have been portrayed as a bit of a soft eejit since JB died, with his care for the fish and his parrot (or budgie) and all.

Fran wanted to keep it under control here. Tommy was very soft here and his conscience got the better of him.

The Love/Hate characters have different personalities. Ado was a darker drugged up character early on but true series 3 and 4 show him as soft idiot who is of no threat to anyone.

Interestingly, Fran was in series 2 portrayed as a dark, menacing low level criminal but always with a pragmatic self control. In series 3, he was presented often as the comic relief (a much softer character) but a much bigger player (he was to all intents and purposes Nidge's second in command by episode 5/6 of the third series). Series 4 seems to so far have a mix of the two Fran's: he is No. 2 and wants to be No. 1 and needs to use threats and charm both to their full advantage to survive.

Ado and Elmo are always there in the middle. They first are accused of something and didn't do it and then the main gangsters use them and they usually cock up.

With 7 of the above characters now dead (Dano being the latest), it will be interesting how things pan out for the survivors.

It was ironic the way Dano was killed: his first scenes in series three was him kneecapping Ado and his last scene was he been given a fatal version of the same treatment.

Patricktom wrote: »

Lizzie was an evil tart to smash up the lad she rammed into. A bad woman driver with a physcopathic streak

I'm sure we will see more of Lizzie. But who will she be working with now? I presume to Tony, she is no better than Dano.

She indeed is very quiet but she also can hurt and kill when needed as she has proven.

Poll review: Clearly, after episode 4 last Sunday, Fran has taken a very comfortable lead followed by Hughie. Looking at the four seasons (bearing in mind, of course we cannot give the full lowdown on series 4 yet: more of that in 2-3 weeks), here are who I think are the most evil characters per series with runner up and sometimes third and fourth place given too (for series 4, I will give contenders rather than the actual one):

Series 1:

Without a doubt, Hughie comes first. Evil or just reckless, he is certainly dangerous and unhinged to say the least! Notable evil/reckless deeds: brutally slaying the poor traveller with a pool ball in a sock and burning the body and caravan; killing Robbie (Darren's brother); bullying the garage man; blowing his own brains out.

In number two position, I'd probably pick Stumpy for his violence towards Rosie.

Series 2:

A tricky series. We see the introduction of a new and essential character in Fran, we see Nidge carry out a pipe bomb attack and we see disturbing obsession from Luke. BUT I guess John Boy steals the show as first this time (he gave Nidge no choice but to throw the pipe bomb and also tries to have Fran killed by Tommy: John was paranoid and also extorted and threatened others to do his dirty work for him).

In second place, we have to put Luke for his very creepy stalking of Mary. Fran and Nidge (for their use of dogs to torture (admittedly No. 2 baddie Luke who probably deserved it!) and for throwing the pipe bomb respectively) probably are vying for 3rd and 4th position.

Series 3

A real tricky one here. We can rule out Fran this time around - as he is coola boola all the way! But all the others are contenders:

I'd have to place Darren in first position here for killing the innocent girlfriend of Elmo's cousin (notable mention to his brutal slaying of Git with a keg smashed into his face too even if he arguably deserved it). However, Git is a very close second this time with the rape of Siobhan. His son Dano could well be placed third for his brutal kneecapping of Ado, and Nidge comes in at number four for his brutal attack on Tommy. Tommy himself brutally assaulted Git but one cannot call this an act of evil as he was defending his girlfriend and was shocked at the brutal rape of her.

Series 4 so far

Definitely, I'd have to rule out one major character so far: we have only seen the kind side of Nidge. We can also rule out poor old Dano: you'd feel sorry for him in the end. And obviously poor Tommy is ruled out too. After that, there are numerous contenders.

First position this time, I'd have to choose Fran so far. He is full of vengeance and if Nidge was on the dark side towards the end of S3, it is Fran's turn now in S4. He has scared children, contemplated killing Tommy, has veered into a drunken rage/hit his friend by mistake (veering towards Hughie territory), etc. However, his issue with Noelie was initialised (in the series at least - Fran had an affair before) by Noelie not Fran so Fran was defending himself the two times they fought.

In second position, it has to be Lizzie. The hitting of the person whose car she crashed into was the most brutal beating in the series since Nidge clobbered Tommy (maybe not as bloody as the Fran v Noelie scene but more longterm damage done!).

Noelie comes third as he was shown himself so far to be very brutal and deranged. Likely to see more of his evil ways very soon.

But, over the next two episodes, our series 4 top 3/4 baddies may change radically!

Deleted User wrote: »

Frano for me is the most psychotic of all time followed very closely by Hughie (Cue Ball) from Season 1.

Git probably third followed closely by Nidge and then Darren, Dano and Lizzie in any order. Probably Darren as he killed an innocent couple.

Elmo and Aido not so much evil but self serving junkies.

We'd have to make room for Stumpy somewhere too. Luke then I am unsure what to make of him (he certainly was the most disturbing character in the second season). He was creepy but was he evil?

chopper6 wrote: »

Fran all day long.

A vengefull charcter who is almost feral in his outlook and seems to genuinely have no fear.

His increasing use of drugs plus his fondness for potin and firearms will do little to calm him down.

That is very interesting too with Fran. Since Fran had his teeth knocked out, we have seen some important traits emerge that we never saw in the character before: he has now a very personal vendetta against Noelie (god help Nidge if Fran finds out about the Linda issues!!!!!); he has turned to strong drink and drugs to ease his tooth pain which results in angry, unpredictable behaviour. This is decidedly not the coola boola Fran from series 3 or even the menacing but always in control Fran of series 2!

chopper6 wrote: »

He's a lunatic and increasingly paranoid and prone to acts of vengeance.

Digging up that bloke's mother didnt cost him a thought and pissing on her corpse was quite shocking.

Even more disturbing is the fact that he seems to know his way around corpses...describing a fleshless dead body as still having white hair clinging to it or his aplomb in dealing with Git's corpse.

It will be interesting to see what Fran gets up to tonight. Fran indeed knows corpses and is the best man for doing jobs relating to them it would seem! When or if he finds out the truth about Linda, there will be hell to pay!