Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN Mod Warning Post #1

drumswan · 24-10-2013 10:19AM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

So what's the problem?

The problem is if these people were capable of child kidnapping and were a possible danger to this child then ALL their children should have been taken...

Are you a bit slow?

Corkfeen · 24-10-2013 10:21AM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

And if the child is harmed by the suspected abductors in the presence of the Gardaí you would be giving out that the Gardaí didn't do enough.

You're not fooling me and anyone else with that crap.

You come off it! The Gardaí had a reasonable suspicion that the child might have been abducted. Blonde kid with gypsy parents. They had to assume the worst. So cut the sh*t.

Bullsh*t.

This whole thing is manufactured and is being driven by a political agenda.

The Pavee Point organisation is a front for the extreme left and subversive republicans and organized crime.

There are left wing activists funded by shadowy people behind the scenes with deep pockets who have an anti-state and anti-Garda agenda.

I bet there are a lots of lawyers and cranks and left wing activists who are seeing euro signs.

There was no evidence that the child was in any danger, let alone immediate. You sound pretty damn conspiratorial, the fact is racial profiling did occur. Two children with Roma parents were taken from their parents within two days. This is an absurd coincidence or profiling.

Pavee Point was condemned for their view on the situation when it started and guess what, they were entirely right. While racist individuals took the news in a rather celebratory and exploitative fashion. The family weren't guilty of anything but you people still seem to be acting as if they were at fault.

The criticism that state are facing is of their own creation.

Tony EH · 24-10-2013 10:21AM

Tony EH wrote: »

The sheer level of old maidish gloating going on in this thread is hilarious.

:pac:

old hippy wrote: »

Yeah, institutionalised racism is such a gas :mad:

Oh please...

You should change your name to "Old Maid" :pac:

desertcircus · 24-10-2013 10:21AM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

And if the child is harmed by the suspected abductors in the presence of the Gardaí you would be giving out that the Gardaí didn't do enough.

You're not fooling me and anyone else with that crap.

You come off it! The Gardaí had a reasonable suspicion that the child might have been abducted. Blonde kid with gypsy parents. They had to assume the worst. So cut the sh*t.

Bullsh*t.

This whole thing is manufactured and is being driven by a political agenda.

The Pavee Point organisation is a front for the extreme left and subversive republicans and organized crime.

There are left wing activists funded by shadowy people behind the scenes with deep pockets who have an anti-state and anti-Garda agenda.

I bet there are a lots of lawyers and cranks and left wing activists who are seeing euro signs.

The Gardai did not have a reasonable suspicion that the child had been abducted. Five minutes reading about recessive genes in a secondary school biology textbook could have cleared this up. Not to mention the fact that a child can only legally be taken into custody if there's a reasonable belief that they're at immediate risk of harm.

And I'm not going to mince words for this last part: if your reaction to this story is to accuse Pavee Point of being borderline criminals fomenting anger in order to make money off it, you're a repulsive human being. Seriously. Your existence is actively making the world a worse place to be.

humanji · 24-10-2013 10:22AM

drumswan wrote: »

The problem is if these people were capable of child kidnapping then ALL their children should have been taken...

Are you a bit slow?

Attack the post, not the poster.

This goes for everyone. If you can say anything without being polite or without getting personal, then don't post anything.

Pompey Magnus · 24-10-2013 10:22AM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

The other kids were clearly Roma. The white blonde kid with blue eyes raised immediate suspicions of a child abduction.

Have been paying attention to the case of child abduction in Greece?

You think the Gardaí can afford to take chances?

But you know this already. You are only banging an anti-Garda and anti-state drum.

So it's ok to leave Roma looking children in the care of people the State has reason to suspect are capable of harming a child but not a Caucasian looking child? If they abducted that child there would surely be reason to assume they might have abducted some of the others?

Why are you willing to take a chance? Surely you believe they deserve equal protection just in case? Better safe than sorry and all that...

josip · 24-10-2013 10:26AM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

How many caucasian couples would have gardai turning up at their homes demanding to see a birth certificate for one of their children?

Are Roma not Caucasian?

Balaclava1991 · 24-10-2013 10:28AM

Look at this pic of the Roma boy in the newspapers and tell me if you didn't do a DNA test that you wouldn't be suspicious that this kid was really a Roma?

My immediate reaction would be that those parents could not be his real parents and I would want to make sure he hadn't been kidnapped.

Basic common sense would tell you that wouldn't it?

But you have to human rights and PC brigade banging the drum in the media trying to crucify the Gardaí for doing their jobs?

This is beyond a joke at this stage.

It's obvious what agenda is being pushed here.

The same nonsense was on the go when the Gardaí shot that lunatic with a shotgun up in Longford.

Gardaí who were doing their jobs were getting lectures from the usual bleeding hearts who have a political agenda.

I'm not fooled.

drumswan · 24-10-2013 10:30AM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

But you have to human rights .. brigade banging the drum in the media

Lol, that pesky 'human rights' brigade.

You sound like a national front member tbh.

Autonomous Cowherd · 24-10-2013 10:31AM

I hope these families sue the backside off the state and get a healthy compensation. It was bloody disgraceful. Myself and my husband are dark haired and all our children were snow white blondes when small. We also lived alternatively and had more than our fair share of completely unwarranted police attention. The stress and horror that this occasions to perfectly law abiding citizens cannot be underestimated. It is a nightmare. There are bad things that happen with child abduction and the children of trafficked sex victims, for sure, but this was simply a case of righteous, po-faced, bigoted, official Ireland stepping way beyond their remit, occasioning emotional and psychic harm to these unfortunate families and their children which will live with them for a generation and making us look like nasty, cross-eyed fools in the wider world into the bargain.

Pompey Magnus · 24-10-2013 10:31AM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

Look at this pic of the Roma boy in the newspapers and tell me if you didn't do a DNA test that you wouldn't be suspicious that this kid was really a Roma?

My immediate reaction would be that those parents could not be his real parents and I would want to make sure he hadn't been kidnapped.

Basic common sense would tell you that wouldn't it?

But you have to human rights and PC brigade banging the drum in the media trying to crucify the Gardaí for doing their jobs?

This is beyond a joke at this stage.

It's obvious what agenda is being pushed here.

The same nonsense was on the go when the Gardaí shot that lunatic with a shotgun up in Longford.

Gardaí who were doing their jobs were getting lectures from the usual bleeding hearts who have a political agenda.

I'm not fooled.

So the next time you see a white couple with an Asian looking child you will be straight on the phone to the local Gardai, yes?

Balaclava1991 · 24-10-2013 10:31AM

josip wrote: »

Are Roma not Caucasian?

The Roma are believed to have originated in Pakistan or Northern India about 1,500 years ago.

They aren't Caucasians.

Balaclava1991 · 24-10-2013 10:32AM

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

So the next time you see a white couple with an Asian looking child you will be straight on the phone to the local Gardai, yes?

If I was suspicious I would.

Wouldn't you?

Are you saying nobody should be reporting suspicions to the state now?

There should be a free for all or what?

desertcircus · 24-10-2013 10:32AM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

Look at this pic of the Roma boy in the newspapers and tell me if you didn't do a DNA test that you wouldn't be suspicious that this kid was really a Roma?

My immediate reaction would be that those parents could not be his real parents and I would want to make sure he hadn't been kidnapped.

Basic common sense would tell you that wouldn't it?

But you have to human rights and PC brigade banging the drum in the media trying to crucify the Gardaí for doing their jobs?

This is beyond a joke at this stage.

It's obvious what agenda is being pushed here.

The same nonsense was on the go when the Gardaí shot that lunatic with a shotgun up in Longford.

Gardaí who were doing their jobs were getting lectures from the usual bleeding hearts who have a political agenda.

I'm not fooled.

Two children are illegally taken from their families because they don't look ethnic enough and your reaction is to get angry about the PC brigade. I can think of literally no way that isn't a morally repulsive reaction.

Nerdlingr · 24-10-2013 10:34AM

Wasn't this warned about in the children refendum last year? That Gardai could call to your house and have the power to take your children from you and put them into care?
Scaremongering i think it was called at the time.

homerjay2005 · 24-10-2013 10:34AM

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

I hope this families sue the backside off the state and get a healthy compensation. It was bloody disgraceful.

i have not fully read the story, but i am not fully sure what the fuss is about.

can you outline objectively, what the problem is?

and an honest question, if this was a family from a less well off part of lets say Dublin, that the child was taken from, would you be equally as angered?

surely if the parents answered the questions correctly, then this wouldnt have happened and i think the authorities acted in the best interests of the children - they have enough s*it to be dealing with and didnt get involved just for the s*its and giggles.

just my 2 cents, but as i said, i need to know the full story as i dont have all the facts.

Balaclava1991 · 24-10-2013 10:35AM

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

I hope these families sue the backside off the state and get a healthy compensation. It was bloody disgraceful. Myself and my husband are dark haired and all our children were snow white blondes when small. We also lived alternatively and had more than our fair share of completely unwarranted police attention. The stress and horror that this occasions to perfectly law abiding citizens cannot be underestimated. It is a nightmare. There are bad things that happen with child abduction and the children of trafficked sex victims, for sure, but this was simply a case of righteous, po-faced, bigoted, official Ireland stepping way beyond their remit, occasioning emotional and psychic harm to these unfortunate families and their children which will live with them for a generation and making us look like nasty, cross-eyed fools in the wider world into the bargain.

If the DNA tests proved the kids had been abducted you would be banging the drum about why the Gardaí aren't doing enough to protect kids.

So when the Gardaí actually do their jobs and check things out the bleeding heart industry gears up isn't that right?

josip · 24-10-2013 10:36AM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

The Roma are believed to have originated in Pakistan or Northern India about 1,500 years ago.

They aren't Caucasians.

Caucasia includes Pakistan and Northern India.
Roma are Caucasians.

reprazant · 24-10-2013 10:36AM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

The Roma are believed to have originated in Pakistan or Northern India about 1,500 years ago.

They aren't Caucasians.

You obviously do not know what caucasian means.

humanji · 24-10-2013 10:38AM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Wasn't this warned about in the children refendum last year? That Gardai could call to your house and have the power to take your children from you and put them into care?
Scaremongering i think it was called at the time.

It was scaremongering. The kids were returned and this case isn't anything to do with the referendum. These children were taken under the assumption that a crime had been committed.

Going Forward · 24-10-2013 10:38AM

Snatching a child from a home, to ascertain their lineage, surely there is a more humane method for doing this?

What has happened here is that the victim/child was effectively arrested and not the suspects.

Who knows what emotional psychological damage this may have caused?

Pompey Magnus · 24-10-2013 10:38AM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

If I was suspicious I would.

Wouldn't you?

Now what exactly should I be looking out for to make me suspicious? Perhaps well dressed white folk aren't capable of abducting children? What would help you not be suspicious of a couple with a child who doesn't resemble them?

You say just the photo of the child alone was enough to raise your suspicion without any sign of the parents so what were the warning signs in the picture for you?

Tony EH · 24-10-2013 10:39AM

Jesus...can everybody quit all the flapping please.

The Gardai are under strict rules in this regard. All wasn't correct with the parents story and the child in question, so they acted.

It may have been a screw up, but there was no "racism" and nothing "illegal".

Fu*k sake :rolleyes:

desertcircus · 24-10-2013 10:40AM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

If the DNA tests proved the kids had been abducted you would be banging the drum about why the Gardaí aren't doing enough to protect kids.

So when the Gardaí actually do their jobs and check things out the bleeding heart industry gears up isn't that right?

Except you have no evidence that anyone would have said that. And the problem here isn't that the Gardai did their jobs; it's that they took two children from their families in contravention of the law on the basis of an assumption about genetics that two minutes of Googling would have cleared up.

And seriously: what's with your thing about the left? Were you dumped once by a social democrat or something?

Balaclava1991 · 24-10-2013 10:40AM

desertcircus wrote: »

Two children are illegally taken from their families because they don't look ethnic enough and your reaction is to get angry about the PC brigade. I can think of literally no way that isn't a morally repulsive reaction.

Give me a break.

You know well why the Gardaí intervened. Look at the pic of the boy with pale skin, blue eyes and blond hair with his parents and tell me again that you wouldn't have strong suspicions about who is real parents are?

The Gardaí came around to investigate genuine fears that the kid was abducted like that girl in Greece was.

If it turned out the kid was abducted you of course would be giving out about the Gardaí not doing enough wouldn't you?

In the Josef Fritzel case the police missed loads of opportunities to do something and they didn't because of red tape.

The Human Rights and PC Brigade of course are jumping up and down and the rent a mob are out in force with their anti-Garda and anti-State agenda.

Nerdlingr · 24-10-2013 10:41AM

humanji wrote: »

It was scaremongering. The kids were returned and this case isn't anything to do with the referendum. These children were taken under the assumption that a crime had been committed.

Children should not be put into care or taken from their families based on 'assumptions'.

reprazant · 24-10-2013 10:41AM

Tony EH wrote: »

Jesus...can everybody quit all the flapping please.

The Gardai are under strict rules in this regard. All wasn't correct with the parents story and the child in question, so they acted.

It may have been a screw up, but there was no "racism" and nothing "illegal".

Fu*k sake :rolleyes:

Which bits weren't correct with the story? I was under the impression that they had the birth cert, passport and details of when and where in Ireland the mother had given birth?

wildlifeboy · 24-10-2013 10:42AM

josip wrote: »

Caucasia includes Pakistan and Northern India.
Roma are Caucasians.

I just drew a little map for you

desertcircus · 24-10-2013 10:42AM

Tony EH wrote: »

Jesus...can everybody quit all the flapping please.

The Gardai are under strict rules in this regard. All wasn't correct with the parents story and the child in question, so they acted.

It may have been a screw up, but there was no "racism" and nothing "illegal".

Fu*k sake :rolleyes:

Two Roma children were taken from Roma families on the basis that they didn't look like Roma, and in the absence of evidence that either child was at immediate risk of harm. Illegal and racist.

humanji · 24-10-2013 10:43AM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Children should not be put into care or taken from their families based on 'assumptions'.

No, they shouldn't. And this still has nothing to do with the referendum.

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