Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN Mod Warning Post #1

ted1 · 22-10-2013 09:29PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

in fairness , with what happened in greece , they were WELL within their rights.

i would rather they were wrong 100 times , than letting one child who was trafficked / kidnapped slip away with the kidnappers.

some you just cant win

Within their rights to separate a family and remove a child?
Let's see how it plays out. If they tried to take my child I'd have in the ECHR and also the highest court in the land .

Remember how Muslims were treated in the US after 911.

iguana · 22-10-2013 09:31PM

elfy4eva wrote: »

Just out of interest to what we do know in regards to this case.
Is it unusual the the Coombe hospital have no evidence of the birth.

Do hospitals usually keep a full record of all children born?

Yes they do but even if they didn't I'd imagine the majority of the staff who have worked there for the last 8 years or so would remember the time the couple of Indian origin had a very pale, blue eyed baby. It would have been quite the surprise when it happened and a massive talking point.

darkpagandeath · 22-10-2013 09:32PM

legislation they used has been hijacked if the child was in danger why only take that one there were other children in the house. Not defending any of this just pointing out the shaky ground there on.

BlaasForRafa · 22-10-2013 09:34PM

ted1 wrote: »

Within their rights to separate a family and remove a child?
Let's see how it plays out. If they tried to take my child I'd have in the ECHR and also the highest court in the land .

I presume that you didn't get your child by kidnapping it from its parents or from a people trafficker?

If the Guards have suspicion of either of those crimes they are completely within their rights to take the child. If they didn't take it they would be in dereliction of their duty.

dj jarvis · 22-10-2013 09:35PM

ted1 wrote: »

Within their rights to separate a family and remove a child?
Let's see how it plays out. If they tried to take my child I'd have in the ECHR and also the highest court in the land .

Remember how Muslims were treated in the US after 911.

totally with their rights , there was a question of the possibility that the child may have been kidnapped - if they done nothing they would have swung for that also. as i said , no win situation for the cops really

tough on the parents - but if they are the real parents / guardians , then no problem , child gets returned , if not , then a child is saved

that is how child protection works - the parents feelings don't really come into it until the investigation is completed

racial profiling saved that kid in Greece

flutered · 22-10-2013 09:37PM

hansfrei wrote: »

This news is giving Roma people a bad name

you must be joking.

dj jarvis · 22-10-2013 09:39PM

flutered wrote: »

you must be joking.

check your sarcasm detector is switched on

baldbear · 22-10-2013 09:41PM

It sounds like a nosey busy body neighbour caused this poor kid to be taken from her parents

Chopperdog 2 · 22-10-2013 09:46PM

Jesus God,

This girl, Siobhan on Prime time needs to get her head out of her hole, is she blind to all that has happened in the last many years and is now a total guardian of the Roma community.....

What about balanced reporting ?? Where is the other party to counter her propositions that the Roma community are the most 'put upon' ethnic minority in this land.

Makes me sick.....

Boombastic · 22-10-2013 09:49PM

The most put upon..

Don't they have exclusive use of a free medical centre in waterford or Wexford? I remember reading an article about it..

hotmail.com · 22-10-2013 09:49PM

Chopperdog 2 wrote: »

Jesus God,

This girl, Siobhan on Prime time needs to get her head out of her hole, is she blind to all that has happened in the last many years and is now a total guardian of the Roma community.....

What about balanced reporting ?? Where is the other party to counter her propositions that the Roma community are the most 'put upon' ethnic minority in this land.

Makes me sick.....

It makes you sick?

dj jarvis · 22-10-2013 09:50PM

baldbear wrote: »

It sounds like a nosey busy body neighbour caused this poor kid to be taken from her parents

and what will you say if it turns out that the cops saved a kid ?

if you think a child is in danger - you report - end of

that is why the pedo clergy got away with it for years - people did not report

hotmail.com · 22-10-2013 09:52PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

and what will you say if it turns out that the cops saved a kid ?

if you think a child is in danger - you report - end of

that is why the pedo clergy got away with it for years - people did not report

There are unconfirmed reports that the child will be returned to her family tomorrow.

I hope the Roma family sue the State and get thousands.

ted1 · 22-10-2013 09:53PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

and what will you say if it turns out that the cops saved a kid ?

if you think a child is in danger - you report - end of

that is why the pedo clergy got away with it for years - people did not report

Absolutely report it, but the issue is how it's handled

dj jarvis · 22-10-2013 09:59PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

There are unconfirmed reports that the child will be returned to her family tomorrow.

I hope the Roma family sue the State and get thousands.

but they wont , if a report is made , they have to act
end of story

as i said to the other poster - what will/would your stance have been if it turned out the the child was kidnapped ?

reward the kidnappers ???

some people , i swear the world is just getting dumber.

Smidge · 22-10-2013 10:01PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

There are unconfirmed reports that the child will be returned to her family tomorrow.

I hope the Roma family sue the State and get thousands.

Why would you hope that?
The guards were given information with relation to a child protection issue. They visited the family, we're not provided with enough information by the "parents" and removed the child until the situation can be clarified.

And you want the state to be sued for thousands?
For what?
For upholding legal obligation ?

I despair sometimes

hotmail.com · 22-10-2013 10:04PM

Smidge wrote: »

Why would you hope that?
The guards were given information with relation to a child protection issue. They visited the family, we're not provided with enough information by the "parents" and removed the child until the situation can be clarified.

And you want the state to be sued for thousands?
For what?
For upholding legal obligation ?

I despair sometimes

Imagine if this had have happened with an Irish family.

shamrock55 · 22-10-2013 10:04PM

They shouldnt even be in the country in the first place

Kenny Logins · 22-10-2013 10:05PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

There are unconfirmed reports that the child will be returned to her family tomorrow.

Where?

hotmail.com wrote: »

I hope the Roma family sue the State and get thousands.

For what exactly?

baldbear · 22-10-2013 10:07PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

and what will you say if it turns out that the cops saved a kid ?

if you think a child is in danger - you report - end of

that is why the pedo clergy got away with it for years - people did not report

Of course you report just like people did years ago but the state failed to act.

There had to be a better way to go about this. The child was taken from her family which might have a huge emotional effect.Stinks of over reaction and racism.

If child care workers came in and saw the kid was happy could they not of got their facts right first before taking her away. Itll be like a lotto win for this Roma family at the taxpayers expense.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 22-10-2013 10:07PM

shamrock55 wrote: »

They shouldnt even be in the country in the first place

Why? Presuming they are EU citizens then they have every right to be here.

hotmail.com · 22-10-2013 10:08PM

Kenny Logins wrote: »

For what exactly?

The distress caused by removing a child from their loving family.

Imagine this happened to an Irish child with an Irish family. How do you think they would feel?

Eight Ball · 22-10-2013 10:09PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

There are unconfirmed reports that the child will be returned to her family tomorrow.

I hope the Roma family sue the State and get thousands.

Yeah really. So it turns out the kid is theirs and they wait until tomorrow to return her?? Yeah that makes sense alright.:rolleyes:

JAMM222 · 22-10-2013 10:09PM

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Where?

For what exactly?

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/roma-girl-s-family-says-it-will-be-all-okay-shell-be-home-tomorrow

22-10-2013 10:11PM

seamus wrote: »

Just the start of it in reality. I suspect we're about to discover major child trafficking routes all across Europe.

Bit of a shot in the dark on my part but with the seemingly new ground covered in the reopened Maddie McCann case and the sudden emergence of Roman Gypsy families having found to have children that weren't their own in two respective European Countries??....Is it all linked or a mere coincidence?

Smidge · 22-10-2013 10:12PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Imagine if this had have happened with an Irish family.

So what you are saying is that only Irish families should be investigated in relation to child protection issues for fear of being labelled a racist should the case be unfounded?

dj jarvis · 22-10-2013 10:12PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Imagine if this had have happened with an Irish family.

it does , you just dont hear it

dj jarvis · 22-10-2013 10:15PM

baldbear wrote: »

Of course you report just like people did years ago but the state failed to act.

There had to be a better way to go about this. The child was taken from her family which might have a huge emotional effect.Stinks of over reaction and racism.

If child care workers came in and saw the kid was happy could they not of got their facts right first before taking her away. Itll be like a lotto win for this Roma family at the taxpayers expense.

so you think the 2 hours the cops spent with the family they were having chit chat ?
they do not take children away without a concern or suspicion,
something was not right and they acted
they had to act , the family will not have a leg to stand on when it comes to compo

Kenny Logins · 22-10-2013 10:19PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The distress caused by removing a child from their loving family.

Imagine this happened to an Irish child with an Irish family. How do you think they would feel?

An Irish family reported under suspicion of having an abducted child, lying about the birth, and producing a dodgy birth cert?

I'd expect them to be treated in exactly the same manner.

wexie · 22-10-2013 10:20PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Imagine if this had have happened with an Irish family.

You mean if a ginger freckled Irish couple have a black or asian baby and no explanation as to how or where they got the baby? No birth cert, passport, birth records, adoption papers.

I'd imagine it wouldn't be all that different really.

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Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN Mod Warning Post #1