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Is there a differance between the Real IRA and the Continuity IRA?

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  • #272
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Its not they particularly like the English or the Welsh- its more they dislike or distrust southerners more.

    The anti-culture of Unionism/Loyalism.

    Anti-democratic
    Anti-southern
    Anti-Catholic


  • #273
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Manassas61 wrote: »
    God almighty, they planted a bomb in a busy place with lots of people. Of course it was murder. They ripped people apart with the bomb. Only in this country could you plant a bomb in a civilian populace place and when it kills people, say it isn't murder.

    They planted the bomb and they murdered people. They are to blame.

    Do you understand the difference between the concepts of murder and manslaughter in law?


  • #274
    Manassas61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭Manassas61


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Do you understand the difference between the concepts of murder and manslaughter in law?
    They murdered the people at Omagh when they planted the bomb. Not only murderous thugs but incompetent murderous thugs.


  • #275
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    The who wrote: »
    The R.I.R.A had mixed up the position of the car bomb. It was supposed to destroy this building (for the life of me I can't remember what the building was) but they couldnt get as close to the building as they wanted.They rang the authorities to notify them the whereabouts of the bomb (as they always do when their main target is a building and not innocent people) and they told them it was beside the building, but it wasnt. They rang two more times and gave a differant position each time because they genuinely didn't know where the bomb was. So, obviously the authorities were completely confused about where the bomb was and ended up hording everybody in the area down the street with the bomb but they didn't know the bomb was there.The Omagh bomb was a disaster for the IRA. They did not set out to kill thesecivilians and the IRA's numbers of supporters dramatically dropped after it (obviously people didn't know it was an accident.).Call it murder if you want but personally, as a republican I can accept this as a disastrous mistake and not a brutal murdering. P.S the IRA only give like 15-10 minutes warning so yes innocent people probably would have died anyway but not half as much

    I do wish to call it murder. Calling it an "accident" may suit republicans but most decent people can see through that. Your definition of the word accident is obviously different to mine.

    Making excuses for the omagh bombing highlights some republicans mindset very clearly. Embarrassed by nothing.


  • #276
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    Manassas61 wrote: »
    They murdered the people at Omagh when they planted the bomb. Not only murderous thugs but incompetent murderous thugs.

    In saying that maybe we shouldn't label them murderers. I mean you know yourself how sometimes you "accidentally" leave a massive bomb in a car in a busy town on a Saturday.

    It happens me all the time.


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  • #277
    Sigourney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭Sigourney


    The who wrote: »
    I was wondering what was the difference between the two...

    A bit like Diet Coke v Pepsi Max.


  • #278
    back2education
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3 ✭back2education


    Manassas61 wrote: »
    Both are terrorist groups, hate Protestants. That just about sums it up.

    They idolise some protestants!


  • #279
    back2education
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3 ✭back2education


    Charlie Rock wrote: »
    The anti-culture of Unionism/Loyalism.

    Anti-democratic
    Anti-southern
    Anti-Catholic

    Anti southern?
    Where are you getting that from they draw funding from southerns and have power base in Dublin right?


  • #280
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Manassas61 wrote: »
    They murdered the people at Omagh when they planted the bomb. Not only murderous thugs but incompetent murderous thugs.

    Of course there are also serious questions about how much both the Free State and MI5 knew about the bomb- issues of agents provocateurs and them deliberately letting it happen. Im sure you wont be concerned about them at all though. I dont agree with him on a lot I think Sean Gabb summed up Ulster Unionists pretty well.


  • #281
    Manassas61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭Manassas61


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Of course there are also serious questions about how much both the Free State and MI5 knew about the bomb- issues of agents provocateurs and them deliberately letting it happen. Im sure you wont be concerned about them at all though. I dont agree with him on a lot I think Sean Gabb summed up Ulster Unionists pretty well.
    Always the conspiracies. Just face up to the facts. A bunch of murderous thugs decided to go out and plant a bomb in a public place. It murdered people. That is all there is to it.


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  • #282
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    The who wrote: »
    The R.I.R.A had mixed up the position of the car bomb. It was supposed to destroy this building (for the life of me I can't remember what the building was) but they couldnt get as close to the building as they wanted.They rang the authorities to notify them the whereabouts of the bomb (as they always do when their main target is a building and not innocent people) and they told them it was beside the building, but it wasnt. They rang two more times and gave a differant position each time because they genuinely didn't know where the bomb was. So, obviously the authorities were completely confused about where the bomb was and ended up hording everybody in the area down the street with the bomb but they didn't know the bomb was there.The Omagh bomb was a disaster for the IRA. They did not set out to kill these civilians and the IRA's numbers of supporters dramatically dropped after it (obviously people didn't know it was an accident.).Call it murder if you want but personally, as a republican I can accept this as a disastrous mistake and not a brutal murdering. P.S the IRA only give like 15-10 minutes warning so yes innocent people probably would have died anyway but not half as much

    So how would you describe people who carry out an attack?

    Also, why did they not bomb this strategically important building at 4am?

    While your at it, would you mind answering my earlier question, how would you describe an "army" that detonates a bomb outside McDonalds in a busy high street on a Saturday lunch time?


  • #283
    An Coilean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭An Coilean


    Manassas61 wrote: »
    God almighty, they planted a bomb in a busy place with lots of people. Of course it was murder. They ripped people apart with the bomb. Only in this country could you plant a bomb in a civilian populace place and when it kills people, say it isn't murder.

    They planted the bomb and they murdered people. They are to blame.


    Just to be clear then, the British and American airmen who dropped bombs on German cities during WWII are also murderers, ya?


  • #284
    back2education
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3 ✭back2education


    An Coilean wrote: »
    Just to be clear then, the British and American airmen who dropped bombs on German cities during WWII are also murderers, ya?

    I believe the germans called them terror pilots or terrorfleiger, Dresden was inexcusable mass murder also, the war was won and the set out to decimate the city and its population.

    Dont forget the bombs there dropping at the moment in pakistan and afhganistan also


  • #285
    Manassas61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭Manassas61


    An Coilean wrote: »
    Just to be clear then, the British and American airmen who dropped bombs on German cities during WWII are also murderers, ya?
    I think you will need to be specific in what bombings you are on talking about. Certainly trying to compare World War 2 to a bombing which happened after the Good Friday Agreement is rather amazing and stupid beyond belief.


  • #286
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    An Coilean wrote: »
    Just to be clear then, the British and American airmen who dropped bombs on German cities during WWII are also murderers, ya?

    Should that not start with "what about"?


  • #287
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Manassas61 wrote: »
    Always the conspiracies. Just face up to the facts. A bunch of murderous thugs decided to go out and plant a bomb in a public place. It murdered people. That is all there is to it.

    Ah its something the way that Ulster Unionists can be wonderfully and creatively paranoid about certain things and so blissfully accepting about others...You couldnt make it up.


  • #288
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    The who wrote: »
    Call [Omagh] murder if you want but personally, as a republican I can accept this as a disastrous mistake and not a brutal murdering.
    It is literally beyond my comprehension how anyone can be so hopelessly blinded by their ideology that they can believe something as delusional as this.

    Parking a car packed with explosives on a busy shopping street isn't an "accident" and it isn't a "mistake". It's mass murder.

    Ask yourself this: if it was carried out by someone whose politics you disagreed with, would you still describe it as an "accident" and a "mistake"?


  • #289
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I used the term head on assaults to distinguish between engaging an armed soldier who is able to defend themselves and shooting an unarmed unsuspecting RAF officer and his six month old daughter in Germany, or two unarmed unsuspecting New recruits at a Lichfield train station.

    Then there's the numerous RUC officers, judges, politicians etc shot in front of their families.

    Yeah because if the British or Americans seen anyone from the Nazi regime walking around with family members they would of let them be & let them continue on monstering for a bit longer.


  • #290
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    The who wrote: »
    The R.I.R.A had mixed up the position of the car bomb. It was supposed to destroy this building (for the life of me I can't remember what the building was) but they couldnt get as close to the building as they wanted.They rang the authorities to notify them the whereabouts of the bomb (as they always do when their main target is a building and not innocent people) and they told them it was beside the building, but it wasnt. They rang two more times and gave a differant position each time because they genuinely didn't know where the bomb was. So, obviously the authorities were completely confused about where the bomb was and ended up hording everybody in the area down the street with the bomb but they didn't know the bomb was there.The Omagh bomb was a disaster for the IRA. They did not set out to kill these civilians and the IRA's numbers of supporters dramatically dropped after it (obviously people didn't know it was an accident.).Call it murder if you want but personally, as a republican I can accept this as a disastrous mistake and not a brutal murdering. P.S the IRA only give like 15-10 minutes warning so yes innocent people probably would have died anyway but not half as much

    Ah here, I'm a Republican even I have to laugh at that.


  • #291
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    Aren't the families of the victims of the omagh bomb calling for an enquiry into the role of the British government and the ruc?

    But it was denied to them.

    There is still something very strange about that whole episode, I hope the truth outs someday, it was a horrible tragedy.


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  • #292
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    tdv123 wrote: »
    Yeah because if the British or Americans seen anyone from the Nazi regime walking around with family members they would of let them be & let them continue on monstering for a bit longer.

    What a stupid thing to say.


  • #293
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    Aren't the families of the victims of the omagh bomb calling for an enquiry into the role of the British government and the ruc?

    But it was denied to them.

    There is still something very strange about that whole episode, I hope the truth outs someday, it was a horrible tragedy.

    The southern Government and also the Americans have questions to answer as well.


  • #294
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    Aren't the families of the victims of the omagh bomb calling for an enquiry into the role of the British government and the ruc?

    But it was denied to them.

    There is still something very strange about that whole episode, I hope the truth outs someday, it was a horrible tragedy.

    Earth quakes are tragedies. Ships hitting ice bergs, or planes crashing are tragedies.

    Detonating a car bomb in a shopping street full of people is an act of terrorism.


  • #295
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    Aren't the families of the victims of the omagh bomb calling for an enquiry into the role of the British government and the ruc?

    But it was denied to them.

    There is still something very strange about that whole episode, I hope the truth outs someday, it was a horrible tragedy.

    The trouble is that in Ireland if you raise questions about civil liberties or Government secret operations you are quickly labeled some mad dissident who believes in blowing people up for the fun of it.


  • #296
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Earth quakes are tragedies. Ships hitting ice bergs, or planes crashing are tragedies.

    Detonating a car bomb in a shopping street full of people is an act of terrorism.

    Totally agree.


  • #297
    guinnessdrinker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭guinnessdrinker


    Unfortunately but unsurprisingly the British government have dismissed any attempt to hold a public inquiry into the atrocity although some of the victims families are reported to be launching a legal challenge to the British governments intransigence on this issue and rightly so.


  • #298
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    What a stupid thing to say.

    Not nearly as stupid as calling the Provos cowards for killing their enemy.


  • #299
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    People were labelled Provo supporters for supporting the Birmingham Six in their fight for justice.


  • #300
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    tdv123 wrote: »
    Not nearly as stupid as calling the Provos cowards for killing their enemy.

    So I take it you were ok with the supposed shoot to kill policy and agree the SAS were right to kill the active service unit in Gibralter?


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  • #301
    The who
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 ✭The who


    Manassas61 wrote: »
    They murdered the people at Omagh when they planted the bomb. Not only murderous thugs but incompetent murderous thugs.

    So I take it that the Brits are muderous thugs aswell?


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